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| I am trying to better educate myself on hooves. What all can you point out thats wrong with this horses hooves? Do the heels look contracted? Any shoeing tips or suggestions?
Thank you!
ETA: The back hoof had an abcess blow out and that is where it has grown down to, so that is why there is a chunk of hoof missing.
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The Advice Guru
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| I can't tell if he is contracted buy the pictures, but he is underslung. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | This is a total CF!! The shoes are not shaped to the foot.... The foot is shaped to the shoe.. This is not how it should be.. You can look at the hairline to determine the how the whiteline SHOULD be.... The hairline has straight lines. The shoe has none... The rotted place in the hoof was a blowout from an abscess. Wow... You need a good farrier... 
Lets start with all the nails BEHIND the point of the frog... There should be none. Four nails on one side and three on the other?? WTF is that all about? Sorry... I'm old school. I learned from a different teacher |
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| The abcess was there when I purchased the horse and has grown out hence the hole. Not sure what else you could do for that part of the hoof?
To correct underslung heels to do trim the toe and not the heels? Sorry I really am trying to learn here so the horse can be corrected! |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | Yes, underrun and contracted. The heels need to be pulled back. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | This is just me, but the shoe looks too small for the foot. |
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| So I need to bring the heel back and create heel expansion to correct the underslung and contracted heel.
Do you trim the toe and leave the heels and sole alone? Use a bigger shoe?
He has a vet appt tomorrow for some other things and going to have the vet look at the hoof and see if he can recommend anything as well! Thank you all |
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Location: MD | I would cut the toe off and move the shoe back |
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The Advice Guru
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| sourkiss378 - 2016-06-08 7:21 AM
So I need to bring the heel back and create heel expansion to correct the underslung and contracted heel.
Do you trim the toe and leave the heels and sole alone? Use a bigger shoe?
He has a vet appt tomorrow for some other things and going to have the vet look at the hoof and see if he can recommend anything as well! Thank you all
You have to keep trimming the heels, it is hard to explain. |
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Location: Alabama | Don't just stop trimming the heels. That will simply cause them to fold under and contract even more. I agree with Komet. That is awful. The entire foot needs to come back under the horse and be balanced. Then the shoe needs to fit and be shaped to fit the properly trimmed hoof. Hopefully your vet can recommend someone in your area to get your horse on the right track. |
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Location: North Dakota | total performance - 2016-06-08 7:18 AM This is just me, but the shoe looks too small for the foot.
First thing that stood out to me too. |
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| Ok from you guys suggestions and some scientific articles I've been reading this is what I have come up with:
Front feet should be 48-53 degree angle
Back feet should be 55-60 degree angle
Hairline should be 30 degrees
Shoe needs to become gradually wider at the quarters & heels, extending 2 cm backwards to support heel expansion
Rasp underslung heels lower and back to 1/16 an inch above the sole
Bring the toe back and set the shoe back but make sure it supports the toe pillars
Disagree or agree? Any other suggestions or thoughts?
Thanks again so much! Wanting to get this boy feeling good again!! 
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Defense Attorney for The Horse
Location: Claremore, OK | Another thing you can do is treat your horse for thrush. Hes not supposed to have that big crack between his heels. When it's that severe, it usually goes all the way to the soft tissue and may be the reason he abcessed.
That bad of a case of thrush would also make him sore in that area and will contribute to him not landing properly, heel first, which leads to under run heels.
You can get a few tubes of Today Mastitis tubes at and treat once per day. Run the tube between the crack and squeeze into the area once/day until it's cleared up.
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| I did just start treating him for thrush yesterday actually! Thank you for pointing that out though, it is definitely important!! |
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Defense Attorney for The Horse
Location: Claremore, OK | sourkiss378 - 2016-06-08 8:30 AM
I did just start treating him for thrush yesterday actually! Thank you for pointing that out though, it is definitely important!!
Good deal.
Sounds like he got a good, new Mom :-)
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Location: California | I did a little drawing on your picture-hopefully I can find it to post.
The red circling is where the "bars" need to be trimmed up. You can really see it where it's overlapping the sole (in the larger red circle). The bars should be white and line up on either side of the frog, only about half way down the or less.
The green/yellow circle is where you can see a little flap of the Frog seperating. I would treat with a solution of White Lightning to kill any disease that may have gotten under it. Also have someone properly cut so there are no uneven lines in the frog or flaps like that for disease to get under.
Now the white circle is to show definitely contracted heals. You can see the heel bulbs look very squished together. Also notice how the farrier shoed fairly crooked. You can see a good amount of heel in the open on one side vs the other.
Follow ABC Hoof Care-natural hooves on FB. You can post the pictures there & they are amazing with helping. They just don't like the idea of shoes lol.
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| ccarpe18 - 2016-06-08 11:12 AM I did a little drawing on your picture-hopefully I can find it to post.
The red circling is where the "bars" need to be trimmed up. You can really see it where it's overlapping the sole (in the larger red circle). The bars should be white and line up on either side of the frog, only about half way down the or less.
The green/yellow circle is where you can see a little flap of the Frog seperating. I would treat with a solution of White Lightning to kill any disease that may have gotten under it. Also have someone properly cut so there are no uneven lines in the frog or flaps like that for disease to get under.
Now the white circle is to show definitely contracted heals. You can see the heel bulbs look very squished together. Also notice how the farrier shoed fairly crooked. You can see a good amount of heel in the open on one side vs the other.
Follow ABC Hoof Care-natural hooves on FB. You can post the pictures there & they are amazing with helping. They just don't like the idea of shoes lol.
Thank you so much for the insight! Will definitely be using this, and will try posting on ABC Hoof Care as well!  |
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Location: Moving soon..... | My gelding is underslung bad. My farrier is wonderful and suggested that we put Natural Balance with a wedge on the front and regular NB on the back. His feet have never looked better. His heels look great, even though they don't grow much. He can really reach and turn and before the NB he would pull his front shoes off. I have no issues any longer. I am very blessed to have a great farrier after having so many bad ones in the past. He is always on time and I just gave him a key to my gate and he lets me know when he's done.
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| I've switched farriers and this is what his hooves look like after two shoeings. Any better or anything that needs changed or improved? Still working on the underslung heels and getting him stood up correctly.
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| I can't comment on much as I'm learning too, but I think the size and shape looks better, his heels look better supported.
Did your new guy mentions why 4 nails on one side and 3 on the other? We have one horse we do 4 and 2 on because on the inside years of poor shoe have left him with very little wall, there's literally nothing to safely nail to. Crappy thing is he does pull them. We may try glue on shoes with him. |
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