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| My vet is having me give one of my horses some ACE. She said I have 3 choices. 1/2-1cc IV, 2cc IM, or 1-2cc orally. Most consistent results come from IV. I can do any of these. What would be your choice? Thanks. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | What happened to your horse? I'd go with the advice of the person that did the time to graduate from vet school.. (JMHO)
If not, I'd shoot 2 CCs into a slice of apple, if the horse likes apples... Horses, for the most part, don't care much for you poking holes in them (IV) You lose trust that way.  Horses, much like elephants, never forget... |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | What is the reasoning for the Ace? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | When and if I have to use ace I shoot it in the mouth..orally
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| LOL Horse is totally fine........ I just need something during training and hauling for a few months that " Takes the edge off" and lets my horse learn and pay attention is all. Believe me, he is good, I am good, just wanted to use a small amount on the advice of My vet. Thanks all!!! I don't mind giving IV, just want to save those veins and that route of Administration uses far LESS medication than say 2cc orally. Thanks so much all! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2016-06-08 9:18 AM LOL Horse is totally fine........ I just need something during training and hauling for a few months that " Takes the edge off" and lets my horse learn and pay attention is all. Believe me, he is good, I am good, just wanted to use a small amount on the advice of My vet. Thanks all!!! I don't mind giving IV, just want to save those veins and that route of Administration uses far LESS medication than say 2cc orally. Thanks so much all!
Just give him 1cc and see if that does the trick to start out with. |
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Location: So. Cali. | Careful with ace as it can cause them to be sluggish and trip. May want to try it at home first and see if your boy is a 'light weight' or not. I did it with my colt after he tossed me last season, more for me to feel comfortable on him, but stopped due to all the tripping it was causing. I did 1/2-1 pill in a carrot, or just hand fed it to him. He'd be easy to posion. Lol. Now I'm using Animal Element "In The Zone" paste. Per the horses reactions it tastes horrible, even in grain. Going to give it a few more tries before I really decide if it's helping or not. |
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Location: Brady, Texas | I would start out with a 1/2 cc IM or IV to 3/4 cc at first. Most likely wont need a full cc. It knocks them out and yes will be very sluggish. I ride a 15.3 really big horse and 1/2 cc IM when competing on him, he is like a different horse, with great manners. He can get really bad acting with nerves and it helps him tremendously. Vita Calm is really good for one that is not that bad or just needing for what you are needing it for.
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| Three*C*Champs - 2016-06-08 8:06 AM
Careful with ace as it can cause them to be sluggish and trip. May want to try it at home first and see if your boy is a 'light weight' or not. I did it with my colt after he tossed me last season, more for me to feel comfortable on him, but stopped due to all the tripping it was causing. I did 1/2-1 pill in a carrot, or just hand fed it to him. He'd be easy to posion. Lol. Now I'm using Animal Element "In The Zone" paste. Per the horses reactions it tastes horrible, even in grain. Going to give it a few more tries before I really decide if it's helping or not. Â
Yup, I'm going to try 1cc Orally to begin with. Ive used it in the past quite a bit and some horses are drunk with half CC, and one time I had a mare that had a dose of 6CC / IV didnt even phase her. LOL |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Three*C*Champs - 2016-06-08 10:06 AM Careful with ace as it can cause them to be sluggish and trip. May want to try it at home first and see if your boy is a 'light weight' or not. I did it with my colt after he tossed me last season, more for me to feel comfortable on him, but stopped due to all the tripping it was causing. I did 1/2-1 pill in a carrot, or just hand fed it to him. He'd be easy to posion. Lol. Now I'm using Animal Element "In The Zone" paste. Per the horses reactions it tastes horrible, even in grain. Going to give it a few more tries before I really decide if it's helping or not.
I think any more then 1/2 to 1 cc would be to much, had a horse if 1 cc was giving to him you could not ride him, would trip over his own feet, was not safe to ride at all, 1/2 cc worked better on him, then after he got over the calfs and shadows in the arena he got to be the best, only had to use it twice on him. |
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| mmstanley - 2016-06-08 9:17 AM
I would start out with a 1/2 cc IM or IV to 3/4 cc at first. Most likely wont need a full cc. It knocks them out and yes will be very sluggish. I ride a 15.3 really big horse and 1/2 cc IM when competing on him, he is like a different horse, with great manners. He can get really bad acting with nerves and it helps him tremendously. Vita Calm is really good for one that is not that bad or just needing for what you are needing it for.
I have tried vita calm and I agree, when I gave it at HOME, it really mellowed my horse out, but there was no pressure. But I gave him 3 scoops 1/2 hour before riding on Sunday when there was " Pressure" and it did not work one bit. lol Vet also said to make sure I give the ACE TWO HOURS before I need to " Run" as that initial stumbling drowsey stage is usually over by then, but they maintain the focus aspect of it. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-08 9:29 AM
Three*C*Champs - 2016-06-08 10:06 AM Careful with ace as it can cause them to be sluggish and trip. May want to try it at home first and see if your boy is a 'light weight' or not. I did it with my colt after he tossed me last season, more for me to feel comfortable on him, but stopped due to all the tripping it was causing. I did 1/2-1 pill in a carrot, or just hand fed it to him. He'd be easy to posion. Lol. Now I'm using Animal Element "In The Zone" paste. Per the horses reactions it tastes horrible, even in grain. Going to give it a few more tries before I really decide if it's helping or not. Â
 I think any more then 1/2 to 1 cc would be to much, had a horse if 1 cc was giving to him you could not ride him, would trip over his own feet, was not safe to ride at all, 1/2 cc worked better on him, then after he got over the calfs and shadows in the arena he got to be the best, only had to use it twice on him.
Absolutely, this is ONLY TEMPORARY to get through this stage in his life then he won't need any of it. He is SO LAID BACK at home i need to haul someplace to try it lol If I give him half cc at home he will probably lay down and take a nap. lol I need to check dosage when he is in racehorse mode... |
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Location: Lala Land | My vet suggested that I start with 2cc IM. I tried the oral and he was so dead mouthed... and way off acting. I ended up 1/2cc IM 1 1/2 hours out and that seemed to be perfect. I only made like 5 runs and he got through it after an injury. It stinks to have to play with dosage but I liked IM better than oral, didn't try IV. |
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Location: Georgia | My horse did so good getting 1/2 CC IV 2 hrs out. He was relaxed and focused during warm up, not sluggish at all but relaxed. ANd when it came time to run he got a little nervous but nothing bad at all. Is it just me or does a IV shot done correctly feel so much less invasive then an IM shot? I hate stabbing that needle all the way into their muscle. Especially in the neck area. I bet that makes them sore. |
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Location: NE Texas | One thing to be careful of when giving Ace is if the horse is already excited or has an elevated heart rate, I have seen the Ace actually make the exciteability worse....even dangerous for this one particular horse. I know this isn't the case for all horses, but I have witnessed it first hand many years ago and don't use Ace any more because of it.
Prior to this incident, I have given 1/4 cc in the muscle to know the edge off of colts the first couple of times I hauled them. Seemed to be ok until this one incident. High strung colt, and 1/4cc Ace was a bad combination. Later when he calmed down, I spoke with my vet about what happened, and he said that yes, if the heart rate is already elevated, it can have an adverse affect.
Just a heads up. 
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| Lovin Life - 2016-06-08 11:24 AM
My vet suggested that I start with 2cc IM. I tried the oral and he was so dead mouthed... and way off acting. I ended up 1/2cc IM 1 1/2 hours out and that seemed to be perfect. I only made like 5 runs and he got through it after an injury. It stinks to have to play with dosage but I liked IM better than oral, didn't try IV.
Exactly, I have a fresh 50cc bottle at home and I told my vet what a waste it was cause I am only going to need maybe 10cc of this whole bottle to get him past this little bump in the road... |
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| Herbie - 2016-06-08 12:27 PM
One thing to be careful of when giving Ace is if the horse is already excited or has an elevated heart rate, I have seen the Ace actually make the exciteability worse....even dangerous for this one particular horse.  I know this isn't the case for all horses, but I have witnessed it first hand many years ago and don't use Ace any more because of it.Â
Prior to this incident, I have given 1/4 cc in the muscle to know the edge off of colts the first couple of times I hauled them. Seemed to be ok until this one incident.  High strung colt, and 1/4cc Ace was a bad combination. Later when he calmed down, I spoke with my vet about what happened, and he said that yes, if the heart rate is already elevated, it can have an adverse affect. Â
Just a heads up.Â
Hey Herbie, Yep, I am well aware that when you use it you basically give it and leave them tied at trailer for a bit. My vet even mentioned that if I haul to a new place he hasnt been to plan early, get there and let him just sit an hour before giving it. That was he can relax ahead of time. He is unique in that he is an absolute LAID BACK dead head at home, and even at races when you get there. You can walk him around with NO BOOTS ON and he will be a dead head all darn day!! Its when he KNOWS its time to go run, boots go on, etc that he can't focus. And darn it, its not like he hates it he LOVES his job but at the track he was taught that saddle, warm up, lope a little and WHAM, in the gates and your done in what 15 seconds??? LOL SO barrel racing to him is going through same motions. Thats why I think he settles in so fast once FIRST BARREL is over, he just relaxes the rest of the pattern. lol |
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Location: Lala Land | FLITASTIC - 2016-06-08 2:43 PM
Lovin Life - 2016-06-08 11:24 AM
My vet suggested that I start with 2cc IM. I tried the oral and he was so dead mouthed... and way off acting. I ended up 1/2cc IM 1 1/2 hours out and that seemed to be perfect. I only made like 5 runs and he got through it after an injury. It stinks to have to play with dosage but I liked IM better than oral, didn't try IV.
Exactly, I have a fresh 50cc bottle at home and I told my vet what a waste it was cause I am only going to need maybe 10cc of this whole bottle to get him past this little bump in the road...
Since I have used a paste called Focus and the Relax.... basically because I already had it. I have time onlied without anything and he was perfect. Hope you have as good of luck as I did. :) |
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| zylkene has make a huge difference in my rodeo mare. I load it two days before and then use it through the weekend. |
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