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| Who has had success in finding and purchasing a sound/sane, honest good rodeo horse recently? It simply amazes me the misreprenstation of sellers and horse brokers. So disappointing to spend the money, time and travel to find out horse has issue that sellers we not forth right about initially. Just wanted to vent  |
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Location: sunny california | The more you know about horses and selling/buying the longer it will take and the stupider you will look to others for not being able to find something: you will be called a tirekicker simply because you can see problems a year before others, including many vets... |
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| It is very frustrating the more you know and the more experience you have, the more difficult it is for you to find one.
I bought one last November. She's completely sound and everything, but I have just now gotten her to where I know what to expect when we go up the alley. I switched her to the left and have spent countless hours working with her. I may as well have gone out and bought a 4-5 year old loping the pattern with as much work as I've put into this mare that was sold to me as a finished rodeo horse. Crazy thing is that when I tried her (2 different weekends) we ran and actually were close to placing at a rodeo with some pretty stiff competition, but once I got her home it was a disaster (I'm talking not even fast enough for the 4D). Much better now, but I was very discouraged at first. Not saying it's 100% the sellers fault the horse is a free-runner and I am used to more of a push style, but the horse was not advertised as a project, which is what I got.
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Location: Alabama | kwanatha - 2016-06-22 10:09 AM
The more you know about horses and selling/buying the longer it will take and the stupider you will look to others for not being able to find something: you will be called a tirekicker simply because you can see problems a year before others, including many vets...
I cannot agree with this more! So true.
I had someone tell me once that I find something wrong with every horse I see.
A sound barrel horse is almost a mythical creature these days.
Yes I am picky and I see issues that others either don't see or ignore.
Just keep looking. There are good ones out there and honest sellers too.  |
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| Sockittoemred - 2016-06-22 10:20 AM
kwanatha - 2016-06-22 10:09 AM
The more you know about horses and selling/buying the longer it will take and the stupider you will look to others for not being able to find something: you will be called a tirekicker simply because you can see problems a year before others, including many vets...
I cannot agree with this more! So true.
I had someone tell me once that I find something wrong with every horse I see.
A sound barrel horse is almost a mythical creature these days.
Yes I am picky and I see issues that others either don't see or ignore.
Just keep looking. There are good ones out there and honest sellers too.
I completely agree that soundness in a horse is never 100% as there will be something, however most is manageable with today's equine healthcare. A sane horse is the probably the biggest challenge when dealing with people you do not know. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | When looking for a horse you have got to do your homework on the person thats selling and the horse that you are looking at. |
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| I guess I got lucky with mine. Shes sound and sane and so much fun to run!!!! Sent you a PM Texas Tornado |
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| I agree, finding a sane barrel horse is hard. |
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| I agree, finding a sane barrel horse is hard. |
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Location: Deep South | I agree that doing your homework on the seller is equally as important as doing your homework on the horse.
**TIP** Thousands of "followers" or "facebook friends" does not automatically mean that seller is honest. Being in the business, making a living for many years, does not mean that seller is honest. Always having plenty of nice looking horses available, does not mean that seller is honest.
You have to get deeper than face value to really know a seller. |
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| I would be more curious to know what people's price limit is on a sane, sound, competitive barrel horse? I also think soundness is a big part. A friend of mine has a 1D/2D barrel mare who is as sweet and automatic as they come. She gets hocks injected, no issues but she just seemed to work better with them done. BUT she was pre-purchased once and the vet told the buyer, she could get navicular. No signs or changes in her navicular bone but COULD. Horse has never been sore a day in her life. But sale fell through anyway.
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Location: Canada | I think a lot can be discovered by good old fashioned research. Research the horse, the rider, the previous owner, the previous owner record, and watch lots of videos. If all videos start after the horse is already in the arena flag it as a potential gate issue horse and ask for a video from start to finish. Check the breed association to see if his papers are current (if applicable) and how many owners the horse has had. If it's a lot there may be an issue or he may have just had bad luck with owners.
If the horse is adequately priced (for the area - research that too) and has been sitting for months flag it as the horse may not be as represented.
When I say flag doesn't mean you totally pass on the horse it means ask more questions, get more videos and if the owner is hesitant ask even more questions -- and take notes. Either you're going to trip up a liar or you're going to find out everything good, bad, and ugly from a honest seller.
I think a lot of people fall in love with a horse by video or pictures (myself included) and we fail to do our homework. I've been totally set on buying some horses until I do my homework and find out the story on the horse isn't even close to the truth.
So now I research like crazy before I buy and so far I've been very happy with what I've purchased site unseen.
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Location: Mountains of VA | stayceem - 2016-06-22 11:38 AM I would be more curious to know what people's price limit is on a sane, sound, competitive barrel horse? I also think soundness is a big part. A friend of mine has a 1D/2D barrel mare who is as sweet and automatic as they come. She gets hocks injected, no issues but she just seemed to work better with them done. BUT she was pre-purchased once and the vet told the buyer, she could get navicular. No signs or changes in her navicular bone but COULD. Horse has never been sore a day in her life. But sale fell through anyway.
I HATE PPE.........I know they are part of selling but lets face it, a vet can find something wrong with every horse they look at. Just like your friend's horse.........Every horse COULD get navicular but that doesn't mean that they are going to.
I will never let one of mine have a PPE done with out me standing right there. I had two bad experiences a number of years ago, just like your friend went through and of course the sale fell through. Finally sold the horses several years later for much less and you know what? They are still going with no problems! UGH
Or better yet, how about buyers sending a deposit and the check is no good!! Then they get all upset because I called their bank to verify that the check was good first then called them about it. I got an ear full, WTF
I could go on and on...........
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| stayceem - 2016-06-22 11:38 AM
I would be more curious to know what people's price limit is on a sane, sound, competitive barrel horse? I also think soundness is a big part. A friend of mine has a 1D/2D barrel mare who is as sweet and automatic as they come. She gets hocks injected, no issues but she just seemed to work better with them done. BUT she was pre-purchased once and the vet told the buyer, she could get navicular. No signs or changes in her navicular bone but COULD. Horse has never been sore a day in her life. But sale fell through anyway.
I would have passed, too, but ONLY because where I live you can't find a good shoer. And if you do, they aren't taking new clients. |
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| hotpaints - 2016-06-22 1:15 PM
stayceem - 2016-06-22 11:38 AM I would be more curious to know what people's price limit is on a sane, sound, competitive barrel horse? I also think soundness is a big part. A friend of mine has a 1D/2D barrel mare who is as sweet and automatic as they come. She gets hocks injected, no issues but she just seemed to work better with them done. BUT she was pre-purchased once and the vet told the buyer, she could get navicular. No signs or changes in her navicular bone but COULD. Horse has never been sore a day in her life. But sale fell through anyway.
I HATE PPE.........I know they are part of selling but lets face it, a vet can find something wrong with every horse they look at. Just like your friend's horse.........Every horse COULD get navicular but that doesn't mean that they are going to.
I will never let one of mine have a PPE done with out me standing right there. I had two bad experiences a number of years ago, just like your friend went through and of course the sale fell through. Finally sold the horses several years later for much less and you know what? They are still going with no problems! UGH
Or better yet, how about buyers sending a deposit and the check is no good!! Then they get all upset because I called their bank to verify that the check was good first then called them about it. I got an ear full, WTF
I could go on and on...........
Vets are just trying to cover their A$$. My vet flat said she will not "Pass" a horse as sound during a vet check. She will look for obvious current lameness but also tell buyer all about the " COULD" as they say. Barrel horses COULD get navicular. Cutting horses COULD have hock issues etc. lol Really you need an educated BUYER AND SELLER. And a buyer that understands how vets work and legalities of it.
Personally I would find someone who is in the " Business" you trust. FOr me in CA last time I bought one I absolutely TRUST TRUST TRUST Danyelle Campbell. If I were looking for a high dollar horse I would get in touch with her and tell her what I wanted and my budget. THat way if she recommends one that fits the bill, half the work is done. Find a trainer you TRUST who sees and is around lots of horses. |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | what price range are we talking about! Cause I know right now my taste does not match my check book............so I'm pouting untill I get more $$$$ or part (sell) something I have..................I think there are a lot of great rodeo horses out there and alot of great sellers..................... |
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| It is hard - on both sides. I have a friend with a super nice gelding for sale - no maintenance of any kind. People came and tried him out, stayed the weekend and ran him. Horse is super nice - runs in the 1D locally. He really took care of this girl. They really liked him and wanted to try the other horse they'd already made an appt. for. Told my friend they'd likely be back though. She found out through FB two weeks later they bought the other horse - even though the other horse had been drugged when they tried. The other horse was grey and so pretty. I am still shaking my head over that one. But there are honest sellers out there - it just takes a lot of rock turning to find them! Good luck! |
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| It all depends on how much you are willing to spend.
If you want a money earning rodeo horse sound and sane but only want to spend 5k. I would say the person is crazy |
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| It took me FOREVER to find the sound part in my price range. After a very extensive vet check, bought the gelding. Now dealing with SANE issues the previous owner didn't warn me about. Its a losing battle. I'm not sure they make a horse that is SOUND and SANE. #aggravating. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | abrad12 - 2016-06-22 5:16 PM It took me FOREVER to find the sound part in my price range. After a very extensive vet check, bought the gelding. Now dealing with SANE issues the previous owner didn't warn me about. Its a losing battle. I'm not sure they make a horse that is SOUND and SANE. #aggravating.
A horse that is sound and sane that can do it's job is worth big $$$. It all starts with the beginning training that a horse receives and on down the line. QUALITY training is worth every penny! Forget bloodlines and conformation, if the horse DOES NOT RECEIVE QUALTIY TRAINING as a youngster it will have holes in their training/life!! Please remember that a horse does not forget.
Pick up all the rescues, auction horses, or cheap horses all you want but expect to have some problems. It is high time QUALTIY TRAINERS AND BREEDERS get the respect they deserve.
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