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Location: Smack in the middle of WA! | Using lasix for the first time and just am curious what everyone's protocol is. Any tips or advice? I'm using it vet prescribed and really just want some personal experience type information. Thanks  |
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Location: Texas | My vet told me 3cc at 2 hours prior to run. He also said I may have to play with the dosage and timing. I have found 3cc at 3 hours out seem to work best for him. |
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Location: Western Pa. | It is important to give electrolites after the run and make sure they get rehydrated. The electrolites should be ones that contain potassium. Pull water after giving the lasix or you will defeat its purpose. |
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| we use the bare minimum dose we can. Electrolytes like already mentioned. Pull water and feed when you give it. We do 2cc's 2 hours out. |
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Location: Wearing a winter coat...... | I agree with using the least amount you can. I find that both my horses (aren't I lucky?) are completely different in what they need as far as dosage. It can be tricky. |
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| barrelbasher - 2016-06-22 4:22 PM My vet told me 3cc at 2 hours prior to run. He also said I may have to play with the dosage and timing. I have found 3cc at 3 hours out seem to work best for him.
do you give it IM or IV at this duration out? I read IM needs more time to work. |
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Location: IL | allaboutme2 - 2016-06-23 11:54 AM barrelbasher - 2016-06-22 4:22 PM My vet told me 3cc at 2 hours prior to run. He also said I may have to play with the dosage and timing. I have found 3cc at 3 hours out seem to work best for him. do you give it IM or IV at this duration out? I read IM needs more time to work.
I give 3 cc 3 hours out IM. |
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| merdth6 - 2016-06-23 10:59 AM allaboutme2 - 2016-06-23 11:54 AM barrelbasher - 2016-06-22 4:22 PM My vet told me 3cc at 2 hours prior to run. He also said I may have to play with the dosage and timing. I have found 3cc at 3 hours out seem to work best for him. do you give it IM or IV at this duration out? I read IM needs more time to work.
do you have concerns about that long without food/water? i worry about the balance. |
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Location: IL | allaboutme2 - 2016-06-23 1:15 PM merdth6 - 2016-06-23 10:59 AM allaboutme2 - 2016-06-23 11:54 AM barrelbasher - 2016-06-22 4:22 PM My vet told me 3cc at 2 hours prior to run. He also said I may have to play with the dosage and timing. I have found 3cc at 3 hours out seem to work best for him. do you give it IM or IV at this duration out? I read IM needs more time to work.
No my vet said give lasix 3 hours prior and pull food and water. Right after I run, I give him water and electrolytes, then he also gets hay back. After they've had lasix a couple times they get used to it. After the first time my gelding was drinking so fast he started coughing. So gradually let them have it. |
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| Like most others said you're just going to have to play with it, I also do like to give the least I can. Electrolytes though for sure. Also your horse will urinate a LOT more than normal after you give it, that's pretty normal so do not freak out. I know I did the first time.
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Location: Texas | allaboutme2 - 2016-06-23 11:54 AM
barrelbasher - 2016-06-22 4:22 PM My vet told me 3cc at 2 hours prior to run. He also said I may have to play with the dosage and timing. I have found 3cc at 3 hours out seem to work best for him.
do you give it IM or IV at this duration out? I read IM needs more time to work.
I do IV |
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Location: Central Okla. | Unfortuanatley all horses are different and you are going to have to play with it a little. There are some "norms" that work for alot of horses however. I've seen several mentioned. Some horse must have higher doses than others. the great thing is that it is safe for even long term use. Just take care of your horse. Offer them water with electrolyte after your run (and for a few days)or give the Electrolyte paste. My 16 year old mare works perfect at 6cc's IM -5 hours out OR 4cc's IV at 2 hours out. Once you give the lasix, pull food and water both until after your run. If you are where it is extremely hot, going IV is better becuase then your horse isn't without water as long.
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Location: Bandera, TX | allaboutme2 - 2016-06-23 11:54 AM barrelbasher - 2016-06-22 4:22 PM My vet told me 3cc at 2 hours prior to run. He also said I may have to play with the dosage and timing. I have found 3cc at 3 hours out seem to work best for him. do you give it IM or IV at this duration out? I read IM needs more time to work.
If you have the time give it IM why subject your horses veins to so many mainlines? When I was training I gave it IM 4 hours out because we had to due to our running rules. When rodeoing I've driven like @#$% to get to a rodeo. Pulled in and got the lasix out before the horse. Stuck 'em mainline and had plenty of diuresis by time the barrles came around. Use the smallest needle you can when going IV. It will save the horse for a long while on scar tissue.
I'm running a horse that does best 2-3 hours out in our TX heat. Still playing with his dosage, 2-3mls looks like its working fine.
Hydration post the run is key to the horse staying healthy.
A very well balance electrolyte is Liqui-lyte by Pro Formula Laboratories.
If you have a horse that's still bleeding a bit and not wanting to drink due to the burn of the blood mixing with the first swallows of water I've found that giving a handful of beet pulp mash with the electrolytes mixed in 10-12 oz of water and an oz of oil (we use coconut) will normally have the picky drinker drinking. I prepare my baggie prior to my run when I'm getting my post ice boots ready. I dump the baggie in my drinking bucket the eat a couple of mouthfuls then I add a portion of water.
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Location: Smack in the middle of WA! | Thank you all! I did 4cc, 4 hours out last night and it seemed ok. I did paste electrolytes. I'm going to try 3cc next time and see if he can handle the smaller dose! |
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| Lots of variables in use of Lasix in the barrel horse world where it is standardized in the horse racing world which is 0.5 cc/ml per 100 lbs of horse with 10cc/ml being the most given. Given IV 4 hours prior to race time and the track vet gives the shot .. no one else had better be caught with even a needle or syringe in the barns. Fines, suspensions are given to trainers if caught or if there is an over dose that shows up in the post race tests.
The 4 hour prior is to allow the drug to reach its peak and be of use vs all the prior times I read in the posts above ... at 3-4cc and the short times expressed .. 2 hours etc ... you are doing nothing for your horse except screwing up his metabolism and using it daily over a weekend event is not very smart!!
Lasix use is supposed to be to lower horses blood pressure to keep from bursting capillaries in their lungs ..... no one mentions the accumulation of scar tissue in the lungs that limits how many races or how long horse is able to race.
This is for your education on horses and human use ...
horse part at the start and in the comments section in the lower section ..
read how it affects humans too ..
http://www.stablemade.com/hproducts/drugs/lasix.htm
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As you can see there is another reason Lasix is used by trainers ... the peeing off and stress caused by Lasix can also excrete illegal drugs and mask them where the tests after a race will be negative ...
This article gives you the long term and immediate problems when giving Lasix ..
so read it until you understand why nearly every horse on the track is a Lasix user ... it is a performance enhancing drug anyway you look at .. even bookies will change the odds on a horse using Lasix for the first time .. lol...
First bleeding to get on Lasix horse is not allowed to race or work out for 30 days ...
if it bleeds again with Lasix a longer time off and trainer warned.
If horse bleeds a third time horse is DQ'd off the track for life and trainer is fined or suspended since the workouts with no Lasix should have indicated the horse as a permanent bleeder ... now read this paragraph again ..
IF YOU GIVE A HORSE A HARD TUNE UP AT HOME AND NO BLEEDING WHY ARE YOU GIVING IT FOR AN EVENT AND MULTIPLE TIMES DAY AFTER DAY OVER A WEEK OR WEEKEND?? Don't you like your horse?? lol
READ AND UNDERSTAND .......................>>>>>>>>>
http://www.horsefund.org/the-chemical-horse-part-8.php
HAVE FUN ...
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-06-24 1:37 AM Lots of variables in use of Lasix in the barrel horse world where it is standardized in the horse racing world which is 0.5 cc/ml per 100 lbs of horse with 10cc/ml being the most given. Given IV 4 hours prior to race time and the track vet gives the shot .. no one else had better be caught with even a needle or syringe in the barns. Fines, suspensions are given to trainers if caught or if there is an over dose that shows up in the post race tests. The 4 hour prior is to allow the drug to reach its peak and be of use vs all the prior times I read in the posts above ... at 3-4cc and the short times expressed .. 2 hours etc ... you are doing nothing for your horse except screwing up his metabolism and using it daily over a weekend event is not very smart!! Lasix use is supposed to be to lower horses blood pressure to keep from bursting capillaries in their lungs ..... no one mentions the accumulation of scar tissue in the lungs that limits how many races or how long horse is able to race. This is for your education on horses and human use ... horse part at the start and in the comments section in the lower section .. read how it affects humans too .. http://www.stablemade.com/hproducts/drugs/lasix.htm ****************************************************** As you can see there is another reason Lasix is used by trainers ... the peeing off and stress caused by Lasix can also excrete illegal drugs and mask them where the tests after a race will be negative ... This article gives you the long term and immediate problems when giving Lasix .. so read it until you understand why nearly every horse on the track is a Lasix user ... it is a performance enhancing drug anyway you look at .. even bookies will change the odds on a horse using Lasix for the first time .. lol... First bleeding to get on Lasix horse is not allowed to race or work out for 30 days ... if it bleeds again with Lasix a longer time off and trainer warned. If horse bleeds a third time horse is DQ'd off the track for life and trainer is fined or suspended since the workouts with no Lasix should have indicated the horse as a permanent bleeder ... now read this paragraph again .. IF YOU GIVE A HORSE A HARD TUNE UP AT HOME AND NO BLEEDING WHY ARE YOU GIVING IT FOR AN EVENT AND MULTIPLE TIMES DAY AFTER DAY OVER A WEEK OR WEEKEND?? Don't you like your horse?? lol READ AND UNDERSTAND .......................>>>>>>>>> http://www.horsefund.org/the-chemical-horse-part-8.php HAVE FUN ... T
A hard tune up and making a run at an event are two completely different scenarios, lol. Throughout the years I have scoped my bleeder after swimming
and after a hard tune -never has bled. Vet and many many other educated vets have written articles on theories as to why, nerves, excitement, combined with the hard concussion that travels up the leg from the impact of that quick turn -all contribute to the scenario that causes bleeding. it is estimated that up to 80% of all horses bleed even when it is not visible.
I give my my lasix IM 3 hours out. I like IM because it is not so immediate and if there is a delay in the expected time to run -it is still in his system so to speak doing its job. I always get a very early run number so there is not that much guessing as when to give it. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-06-23 11:37 PM Lots of variables in use of Lasix in the barrel horse world where it is standardized in the horse racing world which is 0.5 cc/ml per 100 lbs of horse with 10cc/ml being the most given. Given IV 4 hours prior to race time and the track vet gives the shot .. no one else had better be caught with even a needle or syringe in the barns. Fines, suspensions are given to trainers if caught or if there is an over dose that shows up in the post race tests. The 4 hour prior is to allow the drug to reach its peak and be of use vs all the prior times I read in the posts above ... at 3-4cc and the short times expressed .. 2 hours etc ... you are doing nothing for your horse except screwing up his metabolism and using it daily over a weekend event is not very smart!! Lasix use is supposed to be to lower horses blood pressure to keep from bursting capillaries in their lungs ..... no one mentions the accumulation of scar tissue in the lungs that limits how many races or how long horse is able to race. This is for your education on horses and human use ... horse part at the start and in the comments section in the lower section .. read how it affects humans too .. http://www.stablemade.com/hproducts/drugs/lasix.htm ****************************************************** As you can see there is another reason Lasix is used by trainers ... the peeing off and stress caused by Lasix can also excrete illegal drugs and mask them where the tests after a race will be negative ... This article gives you the long term and immediate problems when giving Lasix .. so read it until you understand why nearly every horse on the track is a Lasix user ... it is a performance enhancing drug anyway you look at .. even bookies will change the odds on a horse using Lasix for the first time .. lol... First bleeding to get on Lasix horse is not allowed to race or work out for 30 days ... if it bleeds again with Lasix a longer time off and trainer warned. If horse bleeds a third time horse is DQ'd off the track for life and trainer is fined or suspended since the workouts with no Lasix should have indicated the horse as a permanent bleeder ... now read this paragraph again .. IF YOU GIVE A HORSE A HARD TUNE UP AT HOME AND NO BLEEDING WHY ARE YOU GIVING IT FOR AN EVENT AND MULTIPLE TIMES DAY AFTER DAY OVER A WEEK OR WEEKEND?? Don't you like your horse?? lol READ AND UNDERSTAND .......................>>>>>>>>> http://www.horsefund.org/the-chemical-horse-part-8.php HAVE FUN ... T
There is a lot of talk about the "when and where" to give the Lasix. What is the peak time for effect? If you are concerned for the when, are you better off being a little early or a little late? We never know our draws at my races until 20 minutes or so before we run. Until im comfortable, im going to request where to be in the draw (assuming they will work with me) so i can plan.
It seems fair to give IV if the conditions are not good for long term no food/water but IM if you can.
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Location: Georgia | My friend has given lasix to her two bleeders for years. She has always pulled the hay and water but recently started giving a little soaked hay right before she gets on and her horse has been firing much harder again. I think getting a little something in his stomach has made him feel a lot better for his runs then going on an empty stomach. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-06-24 12:37 AM
Lots of variables in use of Lasix in the barrel horse world where it is standardized in the horse racing world which is 0.5 cc/ml per 100 lbs of horse with 10cc/ml being the most given. Given IV 4 hours prior to race time and the track vet gives the shot .. no one else had better be caught with even a needle or syringe in the barns. Fines, suspensions are given to trainers if caught or if there is an over dose that shows up in the post race tests.
The 4 hour prior is to allow the drug to reach its peak and be of use vs all the prior times I read in the posts above ... at 3-4cc and the short times expressed .. 2 hours etc ... you are doing nothing for your horse except screwing up his metabolism and using it daily over a weekend event is not very smart!!
Lasix use is supposed to be to lower horses blood pressure to keep from bursting capillaries in their lungs ..... no one mentions the accumulation of scar tissue in the lungs that limits how many races or how long horse is able to race.
This is for your education on horses and human use ...
horse part at the start and in the comments section in the lower section ..
read how it affects humans too ..
http://www.stablemade.com/hproducts/drugs/lasix.htm
******************************************************
As you can see there is another reason Lasix is used by trainers ... the peeing off and stress caused by Lasix can also excrete illegal drugs and mask them where the tests after a race will be negative ...
This article gives you the long term and immediate problems when giving Lasix ..
so read it until you understand why nearly every horse on the track is a Lasix user ... it is a performance enhancing drug anyway you look at .. even bookies will change the odds on a horse using Lasix for the first time .. lol...
First bleeding to get on Lasix horse is not allowed to race or work out for 30 days ...
if it bleeds again with Lasix a longer time off and trainer warned.
If horse bleeds a third time horse is DQ'd off the track for life and trainer is fined or suspended since the workouts with no Lasix should have indicated the horse as a permanent bleeder ... now read this paragraph again ..
IF YOU GIVE A HORSE A HARD TUNE UP AT HOME AND NO BLEEDING WHY ARE YOU GIVING IT FOR AN EVENT AND MULTIPLE TIMES DAY AFTER DAY OVER A WEEK OR WEEKEND?? Don't you like your horse?? lol
READ AND UNDERSTAND .......................>>>>>>>>>
http://www.horsefund.org/the-chemical-horse-part-8.php
HAVE FUN ...
T
I will be sure to tell the well known track vet that gave me the time and dosage to use that he has no idea what he's talking about.
I'm sure a qualified vet that has been working on the track for 25-30 years is much less qualified with his advice than some guy behind a computer screen that keeps getting banned for making crude comments. |
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