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I am looking at a colt off the track. I have seen this colt a few times (for more than a year) and really like him. I contacted trainer and made arrangements to fly out to see him at the track. He was awesome! So sweet and kind and great breeding. Hung out with him for a couple of hours. Tried to get a vet check that day, but couldn't.
Flew back out a week later for vet check (which I was not going to do, but got a flight at the last minute) and had shipper arranged.
I walked into the barn and he walked right up to me and visited and then turned around and started WEAVING. I texted trainer with video and was not too happy since I specifically asked more than once if he was good in the stall. She replied to video/text with "he IS good in the stall, he doesn't kick or get aggressive". So I guess we have two different meanings of good in the stall - ugh.
I went ahead with vet check because I was there and it was set up (and I really didn't know how I felt about weaving).
He vet checked amazingly clean...amazingly. Vet could not stop commenting on how clean rads were. He said he must be built right to be that sound.
He also never weaved again the whole two hours I was there. So a total of 5 minutes in two hours and never the first time I was there.
So, I am super torn. I absolutely love the colt, he is sound, bred to the nines and very kind...but he weaves. Would love as many comments as possible. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | I honestly think that once you get him out of the racetrack environment, turned out and on less high powered feed, he may not weave again. I think cribbing is a deal breaker for me, weaving some of the time is not. |
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| Barnmom - 2016-07-25 8:31 PM I honestly think that once you get him out of the racetrack environment, turned out and on less high powered feed, he may not weave again. I think cribbing is a deal breaker for me, weaving some of the time is not.
Ditto, change in environment, turn out -he probably won't be a consistent weaver |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | of all the vices out there, I'd take a weaver any day. Some quit after they relax from the track. Some after being treated for ulcers. I had one and she would do it at a fenceline in an 800 acre pasture, nothing as far as the eye can see on the otherside. She would get in a trance, do her weave thing, snap out of it and go back to the other mares and graze.
Now I own a cribber. Had no idea how bad she was until I got her home. She was said to not do it when turned out but when I picked her up her teeth were a mess. She is good for the most part in pasture but will crib when she comes up to water. That would be a deal breaker for me if I was wanting to compete on the horse. This one of mine I will deal with since she stays in big pastures. I collar her when she is in being bred and she stops. It's a simple nylon type dog collar. |
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| Based on what you observed and the vet check, I'd buy him with no hesitation. I agree with the above poster. However, I don't have stalls just run in sheds and small pastures. |
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Location: Northeast Texas | There is a slight chance he will stop once out of the racetrack environment, but I wouldn't count on it. I had a gelding that was in reined cow horse training for a few years that started weaving. Never got him out of it. He would weave anytime he was stalled or tied. In the pasture and on the trailer is the only place he wouldn't do it. Once they learn the habit it is a tough deal to get them out of from my experience.
I will add though that the weaving did not effect his performance in any way whatsoever and he was nice enough to tolerate it. So, if you really like the colt and think he is worth it then it might just be something you would have to tolerate.
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| Treat him for ulcers properly and make sure he's always got something to eat. If he's weaving he may be doing it because his tummy hurts and is making him anxious.
My little ottb I bought weaves when she's out of stuff to eat. I started her on Ulcergard and the weaving went away.
He might always weave when he's anxious, which can be a good tool for you to know how's he's feeling and when you need to make a change for him to be happier. |
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Location: Louisiana | I have a very occasional weaver.
I know his triggers and just avoid those buttons. If he has an episode, he needs something to interrupt him like turnout time, a buddy, or food. Sometimes he goes months without doing it. And he may only do it one day.
I can deal with it.
When he's stalled, he has a horse he likes next to him. If it isn't a friend, he isn't interested in them. He isn't put in the barn alone, ever.
Weaving isn't too terrible. I once tried a horse who would jump out of his stall if he didn't have a buddy lol. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | What are your plans for him? If hes kept in a stall all the time I'm sure hes going to weave, but if you plan on turning him out most of the day I dont see it being a problem, I got a horse that was a fence walker when he was not in the pasture but being here he got used to the ideal of not being penned up all the time and he stoped the fence walking, hes in a larger pen now when hes not in the pasture so I know hes a happy camper now, no more walking the fence. I say buy him. |
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| We are building a place with more land. Right now he would be in a 60 ft run with a 12x12 stall. I don't close up the stalls, so they are in and out at will. But I won't have pasture until probably spring.
He was incredibly laid back. He will be given time off and then ridden on our ranch and eased into barrels. He did not seem fragile minded at all, but I know barrel racing can be nerve racking for some horses, do you think he'd be more "prone" to being a worrier? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RBH - 2016-07-25 10:21 PM We are building a place with more land. Right now he would be in a 60 ft run with a 12x12 stall. I don't close up the stalls, so they are in and out at will. But I won't have pasture until probably spring. He was incredibly laid back. He will be given time off and then ridden on our ranch and eased into barrels. He did not seem fragile minded at all, but I know barrel racing can be nerve racking for some horses, do you think he'd be more "prone" to being a worrier?
Sounds like a plan, easeing him into different things would be good for him. I think he might weave once in awhile if hes been weaving for a long time, like another poster said maybe treat him for uclers for awhile and get him out doing other things and I bet he'll be a happy boy.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would just buy him and give him a chance since you really like him, I would. Hes a young horse and once you get him and change things up with him he may never weave again. Now if he was a older horse like 8 to 10, I would bet he would never stop the weaving, but since hes young he may forget. |
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| You guys are awesome! I think I might go for it. I only wish I was dealing with honest folks. I had a friend who had one weave in the trailer, tied, in the stall and out in the pasture with buddies. She didn't care 'cause he was a bang up barrel money making machine. But I would have a hard time with ALL of that :)
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| RBH - 2016-07-25 8:21 PM
Longish post.
I am looking at a colt off the track. I have seen this colt a few times (for more than a year) and really like him. I contacted trainer and made arrangements to fly out to see him at the track. He was awesome! So sweet and kind and great breeding. Hung out with him for a couple of hours. Tried to get a vet check that day, but couldn't.
Flew back out a week later for vet check (which I was not going to do, but got a flight at the last minute) and had shipper arranged.
I walked into the barn and he walked right up to me and visited and then turned around and started WEAVING. I texted trainer with video and was not too happy since I specifically asked more than once if he was good in the stall. She replied to video/text with "he IS good in the stall, he doesn't kick or get aggressive". So I guess we have two different meanings of good in the stall - ugh.
I went ahead with vet check because I was there and it was set up (and I really didn't know how I felt about weaving).
He vet checked amazingly clean...amazingly. Vet could not stop commenting on how clean rads were. He said he must be built right to be that sound.
He also never weaved again the whole two hours I was there. So a total of 5 minutes in two hours and never the first time I was there.
So, I am super torn. I absolutely love the colt, he is sound, bred to the nines and very kind...but he weaves. Would love as many comments as possible.
WALK AWAY AND WISH HIS OWNERS WELL IN SELLING HIM ...
There is no sense of you starting out with a new horse with problems when you really aren't involved yet with the horse ... what is his pedigree that makes you so enchanted with an untrained horse ??
Too many horses for sale to put up with a weaver and the other problems that go with them ... #1 problem ... other horses in the barn will start weaving
so ... WALK AWAY ... |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Hmmmm.... Well, first off, I agree with everyone else who said buy him. I would. I don't know if I'd knock the seller for not mentioning an occasional weaver. "Good in the stall" can mean so many different things to someone and if I was asked that, I'd probably first think of cribbing then things like his housekeeping tendencies (like not crapping in his food or water and whether he keeps his stall churned up so I have to replace shavings every darn day). If they were honest about everything else and he vet checked sound, I think it boils down to whether weaving is going to bother you or not. Can they even get physical problems from that? Maybe someone more experienced with weavers can provide more info on that. Personally, it doesn't bother me.
Because if this post, I will be sure to include the info on future sale ads and my horse's stall sign at shows. It never even crossed my mind before, but I guess some people might see it as akin to cribbing (which I think is much worse)! |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I used to take in lots of horses from the track. Many of the horses had this vice. We would turn them out on large pastures with lots of other horses and let them behave like a horse. We added fast track to their very small daily ration that they got after they were worked. If we kept that leaky gut from occuring with the proper intestinal flora they did great. Now a days you have many different types of pro/pre biotics to choose from. Give that a try and find a balanced mineral for your soil type to add to his nutrition program. |
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| i had a dead quiet gelding, i did not know he weaved until i owned about 6 months, we had terrible weather, like a really bad snow caught him weaving, after 3 days in a stall, i never keep them up much. i have run in sheads, and water proof blankets. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-07-25 11:04 PM
RBH - 2016-07-25 8:21 PM
Longish post.
I am looking at a colt off the track. I have seen this colt a few times (for more than a year) and really like him. I contacted trainer and made arrangements to fly out to see him at the track. He was awesome! So sweet and kind and great breeding. Hung out with him for a couple of hours. Tried to get a vet check that day, but couldn't.
Flew back out a week later for vet check (which I was not going to do, but got a flight at the last minute) and had shipper arranged.
I walked into the barn and he walked right up to me and visited and then turned around and started WEAVING. I texted trainer with video and was not too happy since I specifically asked more than once if he was good in the stall. She replied to video/text with "he IS good in the stall, he doesn't kick or get aggressive". So I guess we have two different meanings of good in the stall - ugh.
I went ahead with vet check because I was there and it was set up (and I really didn't know how I felt about weaving).
He vet checked amazingly clean...amazingly. Vet could not stop commenting on how clean rads were. He said he must be built right to be that sound.
He also never weaved again the whole two hours I was there. So a total of 5 minutes in two hours and never the first time I was there.
So, I am super torn. I absolutely love the colt, he is sound, bred to the nines and very kind...but he weaves. Would love as many comments as possible.
WALK AWAY AND WISH HIS OWNERS WELL IN SELLING HIM ...
There is no sense of you starting out with a new horse with problems when you really aren't involved yet with the horse ... what is his pedigree that makes you so enchanted with an untrained horse ??
Too many horses for sale to put up with a weaver and the other problems that go with them ... #1 problem ... other horses in the barn will start weaving
so ... WALK AWAY ...
It can be contagious behavior? I've heard that with cribbing, but not weaving.
I do love his breeding - it's my favorite and hard to find
I like that he is clean legged
I like that he is very personable
I like that he has been pretty successful on the track
Most of this can be found in other horses, I agree. I was looking for some opinions and haven't really figured out how bad it would bother me. Copy cat behavior would be an issue. |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2016-07-26 3:13 AM
I used to take in lots of horses from the track. Many of the horses had this vice. We would turn them out on large pastures with lots of other horses and let them behave like a horse. We added fast track to their very small daily ration that they got after they were worked. If we kept that leaky gut from occuring with the proper intestinal flora they did great. Now a days you have many different types of pro/pre biotics to choose from. Give that a try and find a balanced mineral for your soil type to add to his nutrition program.
Thanks! Unfortunately I don't have pasture, they are in 60 ft runs until our new place is built (probably next spring). |
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Location: Northwest | I too had an OTT, very well bred weaver. NEVER AGAIN! I found that it carried over to other situations, not just if the horse was stalled. Horse was in a large run- would walk the fence, and throw in a few weaves for good measure. Horse was tied to a trailer-weave. The only time the horse wouldn't exhibit symptoms was when turned out in pasture WITH other horses. Take the horses away, and she'd start walking the fence. Ulcer meds and time never did cure the horse. She was a highly anxious, alert, non-confident type. I see her around sometimes and she is always weaving when tied.
I had several chiropractors and vets tell me how this horse would wear out her front end before long because of all the extra stress the weaving put on it.
JMO experience, but I sure wouldn't buy a prospect that already had the problem. A 1D horse that I already owned, I would probably keep. |
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