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| I was wondering everybodys opion. How much do papers really make a difference in a barrel race like at a district run ibra show or a smaller show in general? Can just a good old cow horse run in the 2-d and place in the money? thanks  |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | you can run anything that wins and there is always a horse in an event that wasn't really bred for it, win. It is all about the individual. But certain bloodlines are proven to work in certain desciplines. So to improve your chances, pedigree really does matter. I wouldn't waste my time on a cowbred and enter it in a horse race. Just as I wouldn't do the same with a race bred and think it could get down and low and win a cutting against the 14 hand ones. |
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Location: Montana | Absolutely they can! The only real difference in pedigree is that certain bloodlines are more likely to make a good barrel horse, so people buy those bloodlines knowing that. But that doesn't mean the other bloodlines can't do it...you could have a superstar on your hands. And a lot of people think cowhorses make excellent barrel horses, as they are really ratey and turn a barrel like no other. Generally (not always) they are more push style (see other thread about push style vs. free runner), but a lot of people like that too. I'd say give it a shot, no matter what the papers say.  |
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 That's White "Man" to You
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| It matters...but sometimes it doesn't. |
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Location: WI | For what you are asking for, I guess not. I think most any (sound) horse can be 2 or 3D locally. |
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| Besides the horse being bred for a certain event, a pedigree provides some history on the horse's characteristic. For example: Hancock breeding seems to have some bronc in them, Frenchman's guy are late bloomers in the arena, DTF are easy to train. (Very general assumptions, don't hold me to it) That being said, ive been more successful on non-registered horses then registered. I think it depends on the horse's athletic capability, conformation, and mental state to compete. |
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| Heck yes they can! I know many grade, unregistered, or bred for other discipline horses that do well at barrel races. BUT, I had one that was literally perfectly bred for the barrel pen and lord help him he just didn't have it. haha. With that said, if you're buying a prospect, I would take breeding into consideration. If you're buying a finished barrel horse that's kicking butt all over the place that's bred to be a halter horse or unregistered or whatever, especially if it's a gelding and wont be used for breeding, who cares? |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Yes and No. I've seen some cute local grade and cowbred horses place in 2-D, some 3-D, some 4-D, and even 1-D. Totally depends on the horse. I've also seen some racebred that can barely pull a 4-D check. Tons and tons of variables...(training, rider, confirmation, soundness, care...)
Now with that said, I do think it matters with resale price. You'll get a lot more out of the 2-D horse with the nice pedigrees than a 2-D horse without. For that reason, I try to buy something that will potentially be easier to resell. But I've certainly taken my share of gambles. Some have paid off. Others not at all.
Bottom line, there will be people adamant on both sides of the fence for this question. It's really a personal preference and pedigree or not is no guarantee it can run at all.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | It depends on what you want the horse for. In your case, I would put less emphasis on pedigree and more on conformation. However, some horses not bred for a certain set of characteristics will not have those traits because that's not what they were intended for. What I'm trying to say is some cow horses bred to turn and be quick on a cow will not have the straightaway speed they need to clock. So when you are picking a prospect for a speed event you want to see how they move. If they cover ground with their stride instead of being short and choppy they probably will do OK. If not, they are probably not going to be all that good at the straightaways and clock slower than a faster horse no matter how they turn.
When buying a horse for a prospect that one will want to sell, pedigree is more important. It's just a fact that most people want a certain set of lines in a horse before they will take a chance on them. That's also why people will buy a horse bred for the job because if they need to sell or breed them, they are ahead of a horse with no pedigree or not bred for the job. There's a reason people at the top levels of competition in any discipline pay big bucks for the well bred horses with proven, well bred parents. But that doesn't mean there won't be a standout with no pedigree that pops up sometimes. Hot Shot and Scamper come to mind. |
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| Pedigree is very important in certain cases. However, you have to buy what you can afford and I can promise you there are 1d barrel horses out there that aren't worth much based on their pedigree alone. They just aren't as common. So, if you buy something with really good confirmation, a willing attitude, and a good stride, you wont be disappointed. |
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 Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | When selling young horses papers DEFINITELY matter but if a gelding is up and running in the 1-2D I could care less what he is bred like. At that point he is proving himself. |
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| not in a gelding it doesn't to me.
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| I would say it does and it doesn't. I had one bred to the hilt but mentally wasn't quite as stable as I would like. New owner loves him but he still doesn't clock where he should based on his pedigree. Then I run a hunt seat bred horse who is 2d/3d locally in his prime. I am currently shopping for a prospect and I am looking for something bred to do it. For a few reasons, if it doesn't work out or need to sell, I need it to be marketable which bloodlines do. I would also like to increase my chances by having one bred to do it and built to do it.
With that said, I have known and ran many grade horses who have done great things in the arena. I also grew up running the cowbred stuff who were all 1D horses at big races. One won AQHA World & Congress (not with me). So I think cowbred is "bred to do it." I personally like the mix of cow and run because neither alone are technically bred to run barrels. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | don't matter at all.
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| The jockey has a lot to do with it. I know a lot of fancy cow bred horses that do extremely well (rodeo winners and 1D) because that is what fits the jockey. I've seen these same jockeys not get along with race bred horses because it's just not their style. |
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| to me personally it does not matter - that being said - it matters for resale esp on mares value. |
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Who Wants to Trade?
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| Life is short. I prefer to spend my time and money working with a horse I know has the genetics to do the job I want done.
You don't see people putting cutting horses in race training and you don't see jumpers in the cutting arena.
You don't expect the same marbling in a dairy cow as you do in a beef cow. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | When purchasing or breeding - yes it matters to me. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Now with that being said the greatest horse I ever bought for my kid was a no name paint. She was not the fastest but she took care of my kid and adored her. |
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| thank you everybody for answering me. I've been trying to decide weather or not to spend the few thousand on a specifically bred speed barrel horse. The one I have now is just your classic cow line, such as san peppy but has given me more confidence then any horse I've ever had when it comes to barrels. He is a push style and lets me choose the speed. Right now we run a 17.10 and still gaining speed. I had a speed bred mare dash for cash but ended up selling her. I will admit her speed scared me. She started running there was no stopping her. She was a 1-d 2-d horse. I don't want to waste my money and end up in the same problem. just trying decide which way to go. thank you again. |
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