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| My colt is coming into the second barrel at a weird angle. He is very broke and light, however the problem is stemming from the fact that he can not do a flying lead change :( I have tried the exercise of figure eights and loping around a barrel then breaking down to a circle the other direction....he can do a lead change at a trot wonderfully, but once he bumps up at a lope he just can not get it.... any one have any ideas? We have been working at this for over a year!!!!! He knows a barrel pattern well, has an awesome first and third.... but I can not enter him as his second is just not there. | |
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 A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | Mine are all trained to switch leads immediately leaving the first barrel. In your slow work, stop when you complete the first and put him in the correct lead. At that spot on the pattern, it makes switching leads easy for them. | |
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| If He can turn third, he can turn second. The lead change comes from the rear end. In my slow work, when leaving first, overturn it. When they take that last step where they should be leaving the barrel to run to second (if you are going right first), put the left leg on, arch the body left by tipping the nose left and make them cross over that line between first and second. This encourages the lead change when you go fast. By slow work, I mean at the walk.
My guess is you are having a problem because instead of keeping the shoulders up, elevated and square, he is wanting to drop the shoulder, dump on the front end and not engage the back end. | |
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| SKM - 2016-08-25 12:24 PM
If He can turn third, he can turn second. The lead change comes from the rear end. In my slow work, when leaving first, overturn it. When they take that last step where they should be leaving the barrel to run to second (if you are going right first), put the left leg on, arch the body left by tipping the nose left and make them cross over that line between first and second. This encourages the lead change when you go fast. By slow work, I mean at the walk.
My guess is you are having a problem because instead of keeping the shoulders up, elevated and square, he is wanting to drop the shoulder, dump on the front end and not engage the back end.
Correct, and when I do left his shoulder, he moves to far over, giving himself to big of a pocket going into 2nd.... this was ok while we were still in the dry work/slow work stage, but now that it is time to come on with it, its not working.....??? | |
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| I'd get off the barrel pattern and get him onto the pole pattern. Get him working poles then go back to barrels and see. | |
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Location: South Dakota | What would happen if you trot around 1st then kick in to a lope for 2nd until it clicks with him. | |
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 Experienced Mouse Trapper
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Location: North Dakota | well here's the "left field" comment: whip (not really but get his feet moving) his rear to that 2nd a few times and believe me he will learn to "save" himself. Hang on! I've had a few that picked up the change easy right after 1st slow and encourage the left lead and voila-good to go, I've had a few that until they almost fell down-they just didn't get it.....they also tend to be the lazier horses I've had too... | |
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Location: Texas | i have been struggling all summer with this. I knew my horse was more difficult to the left, but I have worked hard to strengthen his left lead, and his understanding of the signal I give when asking for a left lead (he is 3). Still, we had problems. I had been considering starting him left barrel first from the very beginning because he was strong to the right, but I wasn't sure. I finally switched him to the left barrel first & everything clicked. | |
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| I really started getting my horses really broke, off the pattern get them to move there hips, over turn the first move the shoulders a step to the left Move the hip to the right and there is your lead change, it's much easier if there collected, or stop and ask for the lead after turning the first.
Edited by tin can 2016-08-27 4:40 PM
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Sock Snob
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| horse is probably tipping his hip off the center line to second barrel. colt thing. makes lead changes hard. | |
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Saint Stacey
| Warriors Mom - 2016-08-25 1:02 PM
SKM - 2016-08-25 12:24 PM
If He can turn third, he can turn second. The lead change comes from the rear end. In my slow work, when leaving first, overturn it. When they take that last step where they should be leaving the barrel to run to second (if you are going right first), put the left leg on, arch the body left by tipping the nose left and make them cross over that line between first and second. This encourages the lead change when you go fast. By slow work, I mean at the walk.
My guess is you are having a problem because instead of keeping the shoulders up, elevated and square, he is wanting to drop the shoulder, dump on the front end and not engage the back end.
Correct, and when I do left his shoulder, he moves to far over, giving himself to big of a pocket going into 2nd.... this was ok while we were still in the dry work/slow work stage, but now that it is time to come on with it, its not working.....???
I would do a lot of squares exercises on him. Force the hip under while moving the shoulders. When you go to 2nd, do you go at the barrel, then step over to get around it? Or do you run straight to your point? If you run to the point, where is his shoulder in relation to the barrel when you start the turn? | |
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