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Location: North of where I want to be | Just for the sake of discussion...how do you feel about Highbrow Cat & Smart Little Lena bred horses for barrels? Likes, dislikes, issues etc. Where in the pedigree do you like to see these lines? Top or bottom? I want to hear your experiences with them. |
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | We have a Smartest Highbrow daughter (he is a half brother to Highbrow Cat), that we run. Lena My Way on the bottom. Fast and dirty quick! She is 12 now and when she was young she could be hot, but with lots of time behind a cow on the ranch it really helps. The funny thing is she gets hotter roping than she does running barrels and poles. She will walk out after a run licking her lips with a happy expression. A local high school girl is using her this season. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shay+mon+doc
We are thinking of breeding her and looking around for what to even cross her with. She is 5 panel negative.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Highbrow cat. Rode one and he was very nice. All I got there. Smart Little Lena, I was around/rode quite a few and maybe 1 out of 10 had enough bone that I would even want to ride it in the arena (let alone ranch or barrel race on it). Very very fine boned and small structured. Now I LOVE Smart Chic Olena. He wasn't what I would call big, but had decent bone. So there are some out there. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-08-26 10:00 AM Highbrow cat. Rode one and he was very nice. All I got there. Smart Little Lena, I was around/rode quite a few and maybe 1 out of 10 had enough bone that I would even want to ride it in the arena (let alone ranch or barrel race on it). Very very fine boned and small structured. Now I LOVE Smart Chic Olena. He wasn't what I would call big, but had decent bone. So there are some out there. I've got a friend that has a SCO stud that he ropes on...not my flavor. I agree with the bone on both of these, tough to get a real solid one.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Whiteboy - 2016-08-26 11:35 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-08-26 10:00 AM Highbrow cat. Rode one and he was very nice. All I got there. Smart Little Lena, I was around/rode quite a few and maybe 1 out of 10 had enough bone that I would even want to ride it in the arena (let alone ranch or barrel race on it). Very very fine boned and small structured. Now I LOVE Smart Chic Olena. He wasn't what I would call big, but had decent bone. So there are some out there. I've got a friend that has a SCO stud that he ropes on...not my flavor. I agree with the bone on both of these, tough to get a real solid one.
SLL was just barely 14 hands.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Whiteboy - 2016-08-26 9:35 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-08-26 10:00 AM Highbrow cat. Rode one and he was very nice. All I got there. Smart Little Lena, I was around/rode quite a few and maybe 1 out of 10 had enough bone that I would even want to ride it in the arena (let alone ranch or barrel race on it). Very very fine boned and small structured. Now I LOVE Smart Chic Olena. He wasn't what I would call big, but had decent bone. So there are some out there. I've got a friend that has a SCO stud that he ropes on...not my flavor. I agree with the bone on both of these, tough to get a real solid one.
Oh gosh! Maybe a bad apple? We started several and they were born broke and willing. Loved the minds, especially if they were out of Colonel Freckles daughters. |
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| I have a Cat Ichi son who I adore. He has a lot of bone and hoof. And very smart. Very athletic too. He is just getting started and the pattern but picking it up very fast |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | I have an own son of Cat Ichi who is by High Brow Cat that's out of an own daughter of Smart Lil Richochet. Lots of bone, outstanding foot- and the laziest thing I've ever thrown a leg over. He has all the talent and the athletic ability in the world, you just have to drag it out of him. He does have a little broncy streak, as does our HBC granddaughter out of a peptoboonsmal mare. |
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Location: Way up North | HBC I have been around are all super athletic, feely, and quick. As others have said not a lot of size to them but I don't mind the shortys. I have heard from more than a few hocks can be a problem on them but that's really an issue with performance horses in general.
I would take 100 Cat Ichi horses! I really, really like all of the own get I have gotten to ride. One of the few that have a lot of bone on them and while they can get hot they aren't knotheads about it.
I do think the Cat Ichi's get their size and bone from the Doc Quixote though. The Doc Quixote breds I have seen all have good bone on them and some size. Not necessarily height but they have some width and substance to them. |
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Chi Chi Mama
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | Not to hijack the thread but what do you all HBC fans think about this pedigree? I know HBC is back a little bit. Just wondered how they cross with run?
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That's White "Man" to You
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| Speaking of Cat Ichi, I have wanted one ever since seeing Darling Catichi at the world show 5 or 6 years ago. Probably THE nicest rope horse I have ever seen! She is out of a CF daughter. |
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| I have an 8yr old gelding, only 14.3 hands and wide and stout as a freight train and big boned. He is grandson of Doc O'lena on top and great grand of Freckles Play Boy and Smart Little Lena on bottom. Very quick and athletic. He was started in the Reining Cow Horse, not sure how long or how good but he is broke broke broke! When I bought him he was a finished head/heel horse. Since I sold my barrel horse I decided to play around on him and he is going to be awesome if I decide to run again. He has a good mind, very laid back almost lazy until you ask him to do something. |
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| AllAroundRider - 2016-08-26 11:52 AM
HBC I have been around are all super athletic, feely, and quick. As others have said not a lot of size to them but I don't mind the shortys. I have heard from more than a few hocks can be a problem on them but that's really an issue with performance horses in general.
I would take 100 Cat Ichi horses! I really, really like all of the own get I have gotten to ride. One of the few that have a lot of bone on them and while they can get hot they aren't knotheads about it.
I do think the Cat Ichi's get their size and bone from the Doc Quixote though. The Doc Quixote breds I have seen all have good bone on them and some size. Not necessarily height but they have some width and substance to them.
I've got a Metallic Cat 4 yr old and he is at 15.1hh. I know that's not BIG, but he's got more than a lot of the other cow bred horses lol He's out of a more foundation-y running bred mare. I'm not sure why they bred her when they were trying to get a cutter. He had wayyyyy too much motor for their liking, hence the reason he ended up with me! |
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| AllAroundRider - 2016-08-26 9:52 AM
HBC I have been around are all super athletic, feely, and quick. As others have said not a lot of size to them but I don't mind the shortys. I have heard from more than a few hocks can be a problem on them but that's really an issue with performance horses in general.
I would take 100 Cat Ichi horses! I really, really like all of the own get I have gotten to ride. One of the few that have a lot of bone on them and while they can get hot they aren't knotheads about it.
I do think the Cat Ichi's get their size and bone from the Doc Quixote though. The Doc Quixote breds I have seen all have good bone on them and some size. Not necessarily height but they have some width and substance to them.
I agree. My Cat Ichi is not tall but he is wide and has a good foundation |
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| I have no idea how to put the ALLBREED on here so you can click on it to see the two horses of mine. DA Touch of Steady was an own grandson of Smart Little Lena...he was a nice quick guy and could shut the clock off. He was stolen 5 years ago. He could really be head strong and a butthead but he was so so quick...I miss him. I have an own granddaughter of High Brow Cat her sire is Sophisticated Cat and she is a great granddaughter of Smart Little Lena on the bottom her name is Sophie Darlin...also very quick in her turns but also can be a poothead. Actually on allbreedpedigree it states that Smart Little Lena was 13.3. Could be a typo? I know of 2 High Brow Cat horses that are very competitive around where I live.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/da+touch+of+steady
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sophie+darlin
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| I've got a 4-year old double bred Smart Chic Olena with some Peptoboonsmal and Rooster thrown in- very, very smart and super athletic. My biggest challenge with her has been to not insult her with my barrel "training." She isn't very forgiving if I teach her one thing and then change it up the next day. Barrel drills annoy the heck out of her- she wants to know what I want and she delivers it. Lots different from my DTF, Tres Seis- he needs alot of everything I can come up with to keep his brain focused........ completely different animal... I think I like the Smart Chic Olena much better- just waiting to see if she'll be able to clock..... ? |
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Location: North of where I want to be | I have always believed that the cow/ cutting breds crossed on speed the right way would be awesome. Theyn I fell for the trendy lines that are everywhere right now and learned a very hard lesson. Too much speed needs to be left on the race track. I have had several cow bred crossed on speed and loved them. They need a little different approach, everyone has had incredible work ethic, grit and brains to spare. I guess my next question is do you prefer to see the HBC or SML on the top side or bottom side of a pedigree?
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| There is an auction coming up next week with a daughter of Dual Rey in it bred to Cat Ichi...I am going to see what she brings.... |
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| Know someone with a mare by a son of HBC and out of a Dual Pep/Peppy San Badger mare and she tends to be quite hot. Picked up the pattern very quickly, but wants to overwork everything (to the point she had to take her off the pattern for a long time because she was scared she was going to blow her up by working the pattern once a week just at home, not even making runs yet). She's nice, but still hot hot hot..
Had a gelding hat was Smart Little Lena bred on the bottom, but he had nice bone and was about 15.3 (could have come from the Frenchmans Guy on the top). Didn't have him long though, to no fault of his own. |
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Location: North of where I want to be | Which auction?
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