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Location: Louisiana | Ok so I could use some advice and pointers. I adopted a 2 year old Chinese Crested hairless, yesterday. She has lived her life in a kennel. The lady told me she was trained to a puppy pad, no I'm pretty sure that was her only option so that's where she went...
At first, I would take her out and she would quickly potty. But she caught sight of our big dog, who I don't let near her bc she's terrified of her. But now, she is just scared when I take her out, and won't go.
Twice I've stayed out about 30 minutes with her, only to have her pee on my floor. I don't scold her bc she's already timid and I can tell she knows that's bad.
I either take her back out, where she gets scared again. Or put her on her pad in the bathroom where she stays when I go outside, until I know she will be fine left alone.
Another dilemma...I think she's so happy to have a CLEAN puppy pad, she slept on it last night, and pottied on her blanket. Do I just take away the blanket and have only the pad in the room?
A friend went and picked her up for me, and was so appalled at the living conditions of the dogs she took one also. She was filthy. Her long hair on her head has yellow spots from laying in urine.
She has open sores from I assume the same. She is COVERED in blackheads head to toe, literally.
In a couple weeks all of that will be healed up, but the potty issue I'm not sure about.
I need to get it under control before hubby says she has to go!!!
He hasn't seen her fo it, thank goodness lol. Bc he did not want an inside dog, but was a little more understanding due to her situation.
Overall she is a sweet dog, just timid. I feel like in a couple weeks she will open up and really be happy. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | It sounds like a lot of the problem is fear of your big dog, so I would work on getting her over that as my primary goal. We went through this with our puppy recently, except it was partly her stage of development and part "trauma". The barn cats kept coming to the house and just hanging around close to her because they knew she was afraid of them and enjoyed lording it over her. And one night a HUGE armadillo ran right by us in the dark while I had her out to potty. She's still a little nervous about that deal at night, but not as bad. We just kept working on positive exposure to the cats, and to the part of the yard where the armadillo was.
Other than that, in the house either keep her confined or on a leash by you and take her out a lot. I will use food initially as a potty reward. I feel for you on her using her bed--ours thought my German shepherd's bed was a great place to sneak a poop.  We had to not let her have access to bedding for a while. |
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Location: Louisiana | Thank you!
Yes, I'm trying to very slowly introduce them. Thankfully Ginger, the big dog, is very friendly. Stella even tried to nip her when they accidentally met, and she didn't react at all.
I do think that after a week or so, she'll settle in and open up some. But in the meantime I don't want a habit of using my floor as a potty.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | You might want to try crating instead of confining her to a room. She would probably appreciate having a safe space, and due to lack of extra space they're less likely to potty. |
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Location: Memphis, TN | Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-04 8:53 AM
You might want to try crating instead of confining her to a room. She would probably appreciate having a safe space, and due to lack of extra space they're less likely to potty.
Yes. This. When you are not able to watch her put her in a small kennel. Big enough to stand up and turn around but not big enough that she can go to the front or back to get away from her potty business. No blanket until she is completely over pottying inside. Get rid of all puppy pads. As soon as you take her out of her crate go immediately outside. Also no free feeding. Feed 2-3 times a day and make sure she goes outside 10-15 minutes after eating. For the big dog issue I would go outside with both of them and spend a lot of time just sitting and relaxing. Let the big dog wander around and for the little one let her sit next to you but not in your lap. Do this for 10 minutes or so a couple of times a day. Just let little one watch the bigger dog and eventually she will start to venture away from you bit by bit. Same thing in the house let her sit next to you but not on you and let bigger pup hang out with y'all. It sounds like this place is a puppy mill and I would report them personally. It will take time and frustration but she can be rehabbed and it will be very rewarding in the end! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-04 8:53 AM You might want to try crating instead of confining her to a room. She would probably appreciate having a safe space, and due to lack of extra space they're less likely to potty. Agree with the crate, best thing for every body.  I love the Crates, I have a small dog in the house and she loves her crate, has her blanket and she gos to bed around 10 and let her out as soon as we get up in the mornings to go outside to potty, awesome sauce!!!!...
And found 2 dashounds little over a month ago, no body claimed them so here to stay, they stay on the back porch got a crate big enought for the both of them to sleep in, they go to bed at 10 also and let out as soon as I get up in the mornings to go do their thing and its has worked out just Awesome too. They have their blankets too and they love to get under them when they sleep, just so cute and we are all so happy,,,, no accidents, crating is da bomb
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | barrelracin85 - 2016-09-04 9:58 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-04 8:53 AM You might want to try crating instead of confining her to a room. She would probably appreciate having a safe space, and due to lack of extra space they're less likely to potty. Yes. This. When you are not able to watch her put her in a small kennel. Big enough to stand up and turn around but not big enough that she can go to the front or back to get away from her potty business. No blanket until she is completely over pottying inside. Get rid of all puppy pads. As soon as you take her out of her crate go immediately outside. Also no free feeding. Feed 2-3 times a day and make sure she goes outside 10-15 minutes after eating. For the big dog issue I would go outside with both of them and spend a lot of time just sitting and relaxing. Let the big dog wander around and for the little one let her sit next to you but not in your lap. Do this for 10 minutes or so a couple of times a day. Just let little one watch the bigger dog and eventually she will start to venture away from you bit by bit. Same thing in the house let her sit next to you but not on you and let bigger pup hang out with y'all. It sounds like this place is a puppy mill and I would report them personally. It will take time and frustration but she can be rehabbed and it will be very rewarding in the end!
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Location: Oakdale, CA | Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-04 8:04 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-04 8:53 AM You might want to try crating instead of confining her to a room. She would probably appreciate having a safe space, and due to lack of extra space they're less likely to potty. Agree with the crate, best thing for every body.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | got boost? - 2016-09-04 10:14 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-04 8:04 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-04 8:53 AM You might want to try crating instead of confining her to a room. She would probably appreciate having a safe space, and due to lack of extra space they're less likely to potty. Agree with the crate, best thing for every body. 
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Location: Missouri | I haven't read all the responses, so sorry if this is duplicate information.
I acquired a two year old ShihTzu from similar circumstances. The difference being that he was a show dog, an AKC champion, but lived his life in a cage.
I am sorry to tell you that there is nothing that is going to replace our dogs natural instincts to keep their crate/pen/house/area tidy. Normal dogs have aversions to their own feces. Our dogs were forced to live in it. It is normal to them to poop where they sleep (and have dance parties smashing it into their nails and hair and flinging it everywhere... Don't ask how I know this! Lol) Crating will not deter him from going potty. It's just harder clean when they do. I've had mine almost two years now and some days I honestly think it would have been kinder to have let them put him to sleep. He has fears, anxiety and potty issues that are that severe.
As for what did help (and the only way we have made it this far!) is a very strict feeding schedule. If your dog will tolerate a crate, it may help some with your routine. Potty 30 minutes after eating. Take him out 674 trillion times (say every 30 minutes or so) until he finally potties. Then praise!!!! And if you are able to use the crate, only then do you let him have free time! Repeat over and over, including during the night.
If your dog is like mine, you will never fully be able to trust him. Mine wears a belly band when inside, but still has poop accidents occasionally. Since he cannot be in a pen or crate, it makes things a million times more complicated. We have even medicated at times to help with anxiety.
These dogs have to be the absolute worst to re-train. Not for the faint hearted!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | just4fun - 2016-09-04 11:38 AM I haven't read all the responses, so sorry if this is duplicate information.
I acquired a two year old ShihTzu from similar circumstances. The difference being that he was a show dog, an AKC champion, but lived his life in a cage.
I am sorry to tell you that there is nothing that is going to replace our dogs natural instincts to keep their crate/pen/house/area tidy. Normal dogs have aversions to their own feces. Our dogs were forced to live in it. It is normal to them to poop where they sleep (and have dance parties smashing it into their nails and hair and flinging it everywhere... Don't ask how I know this! Lol) Crating will not deter him from going potty. It's just harder clean when they do. I've had mine almost two years now and some days I honestly think it would have been kinder to have let them put him to sleep. He has fears, anxiety and potty issues that are that severe.
As for what did help (and the only way we have made it this far!) is a very strict feeding schedule. If your dog will tolerate a crate, it may help some with your routine. Potty 30 minutes after eating. Take him out 674 trillion times (say every 30 minutes or so) until he finally potties. Then praise!!!! And if you are able to use the crate, only then do you let him have free time! Repeat over and over, including during the night.
If your dog is like mine, you will never fully be able to trust him. Mine wears a belly band when inside, but still has poop accidents occasionally. Since he cannot be in a pen or crate, it makes things a million times more complicated. We have even medicated at times to help with anxiety.
These dogs have to be the absolute worst to re-train. Not for the faint hearted!
Poor fella, how sad for him. Hes so lucky that you took him in. Its just so sad to think a dog has to live like this and being a show dog you would think life would be better.. Your a good person.  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | My dogs has free roam time untill its time for bed and then they stay in their crates intill I let them out in the mornings, but they love their crates and they will go lay down in them during the day.  |
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Location: Missouri | Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-04 11:48 AM
just4fun - 2016-09-04 11:38 AM I haven't read all the responses, so sorry if this is duplicate information.
I acquired a two year old ShihTzu from similar circumstances. The difference being that he was a show dog, an AKC champion, but lived his life in a cage.
I am sorry to tell you that there is nothing that is going to replace our dogs natural instincts to keep their crate/pen/house/area tidy. Normal dogs have aversions to their own feces. Our dogs were forced to live in it. It is normal to them to poop where they sleep (and have dance parties smashing it into their nails and hair and flinging it everywhere... Don't ask how I know this! Lol) Crating will not deter him from going potty. It's just harder clean when they do. I've had mine almost two years now and some days I honestly think it would have been kinder to have let them put him to sleep. He has fears, anxiety and potty issues that are that severe.
As for what did help (and the only way we have made it this far!) is a very strict feeding schedule. If your dog will tolerate a crate, it may help some with your routine. Potty 30 minutes after eating. Take him out 674 trillion times (say every 30 minutes or so) until he finally potties. Then praise!!!! And if you are able to use the crate, only then do you let him have free time! Repeat over and over, including during the night.
If your dog is like mine, you will never fully be able to trust him. Mine wears a belly band when inside, but still has poop accidents occasionally. Since he cannot be in a pen or crate, it makes things a million times more complicated. We have even medicated at times to help with anxiety.
These dogs have to be the absolute worst to re-train. Not for the faint hearted!
Poor fella, how sad for him. Hes so lucky that you took him in. Its just so sad to think a dog has to live like this and being a show dog you would think life would be better.. Your a good person.
I am a crazy person. No one in their right mind would have gone through what I've been through for this dog!!! Lol!
But look at this face. Who would purposefully keep him in a cage? Especially when these breeds (including OPs) sole purpose in life are to be companions? I really think it messes them up on an almost irreparable level :( I do not expect him to be able to live a full lifespan because of his issues. It's maddening. And so sad.
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Location: Louisiana | just4fun - 2016-09-04 11:38 AM
I haven't read all the responses, so sorry if this is duplicate information.
I acquired a two year old ShihTzu from similar circumstances. The difference being that he was a show dog, an AKC champion, but lived his life in a cage.
I am sorry to tell you that there is nothing that is going to replace our dogs natural instincts to keep their crate/pen/house/area tidy. Normal dogs have aversions to their own feces. Our dogs were forced to live in it. It is normal to them to poop where they sleep (and have dance parties smashing it into their nails and hair and flinging it everywhere... Don't ask how I know this! Lol) Crating will not deter him from going potty. It's just harder clean when they do. I've had mine almost two years now and some days I honestly think it would have been kinder to have let them put him to sleep. He has fears, anxiety and potty issues that are that severe.
As for what did help (and the only way we have made it this far!) is a very strict feeding schedule. If your dog will tolerate a crate, it may help some with your routine. Potty 30 minutes after eating. Take him out 674 trillion times (say every 30 minutes or so) until he finally potties. Then praise!!!! And if you are able to use the crate, only then do you let him have free time! Repeat over and over, including during the night.
If your dog is like mine, you will never fully be able to trust him. Mine wears a belly band when inside, but still has poop accidents occasionally. Since he cannot be in a pen or crate, it makes things a million times more complicated. We have even medicated at times to help with anxiety.
These dogs have to be the absolute worst to re-train. Not for the faint hearted!
Thank you. I think the crate would produce the same outcome you experienced. She is used to sleeping in her own filth. I don't think she'll magically stop.
My mom did point something out...I had put a towel down and she pottied on it instead of the puppy pad. Mom said the lady may have used towels to save money, since they can be washed.
I have a bunch of old/cheap towels, so I think I'll try a towel and blanket. Maybe she'll lay on the blanket and use the towel?
I created a space for her in our laundry room. With her food, bed, pad, and room to move around.
I'm hoping she'll learn that's "her" space and eventually I can trust her a little more.
But I also realize she's been here less than 24 hours so far.
My friend actually picked her up for me on Friday, and kept her until yesterday. She let her sleep in her kitchen on a blanket. During the night, she pottied on the blanket and still slept on it. She had an entire room to get away from it. How sad? :(
Thank you everyone for all of your suggestions. And if anyone has special tips for a hairless dog, throw them out there. My main focus is healing wounds, then hopefully I can exfoliate those blackheads away!! |
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Location: Arkansas | dashnlotti - 2016-09-04 2:41 PM
just4fun - 2016-09-04 11:38 AM
I haven't read all the responses, so sorry if this is duplicate information.
I acquired a two year old ShihTzu from similar circumstances. The difference being that he was a show dog, an AKC champion, but lived his life in a cage.
I am sorry to tell you that there is nothing that is going to replace our dogs natural instincts to keep their crate/pen/house/area tidy. Normal dogs have aversions to their own feces. Our dogs were forced to live in it. It is normal to them to poop where they sleep (and have dance parties smashing it into their nails and hair and flinging it everywhere... Don't ask how I know this! Lol) Crating will not deter him from going potty. It's just harder clean when they do. I've had mine almost two years now and some days I honestly think it would have been kinder to have let them put him to sleep. He has fears, anxiety and potty issues that are that severe.
As for what did help (and the only way we have made it this far!) is a very strict feeding schedule. If your dog will tolerate a crate, it may help some with your routine. Potty 30 minutes after eating. Take him out 674 trillion times (say every 30 minutes or so) until he finally potties. Then praise!!!! And if you are able to use the crate, only then do you let him have free time! Repeat over and over, including during the night.
If your dog is like mine, you will never fully be able to trust him. Mine wears a belly band when inside, but still has poop accidents occasionally. Since he cannot be in a pen or crate, it makes things a million times more complicated. We have even medicated at times to help with anxiety.
These dogs have to be the absolute worst to re-train. Not for the faint hearted!
Thank you. I think the crate would produce the same outcome you experienced. She is used to sleeping in her own filth. I don't think she'll magically stop.
My mom did point something out...I had put a towel down and she pottied on it instead of the puppy pad. Mom said the lady may have used towels to save money, since they can be washed.
I have a bunch of old/cheap towels, so I think I'll try a towel and blanket. Maybe she'll lay on the blanket and use the towel?
I created a space for her in our laundry room. With her food, bed, pad, and room to move around.
I'm hoping she'll learn that's "her" space and eventually I can trust her a little more.
But I also realize she's been here less than 24 hours so far.
My friend actually picked her up for me on Friday, and kept her until yesterday. She let her sleep in her kitchen on a blanket. During the night, she pottied on the blanket and still slept on it. She had an entire room to get away from it. How sad? : (
Thank you everyone for all of your suggestions. And if anyone has special tips for a hairless dog, throw them out there. My main focus is healing wounds, then hopefully I can exfoliate those blackheads away!!
Thank goodness for all y'all that have posted about taking in dogs whether by choice or because they were "drop offs". They usually come with extra issues, so God bless for taking on all that work. My rescues always seem to know they are safe finally, and the love they give in return just melts my heart. . . . |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Our rescue is determined we should have a pool in the backyard and keeps starting the construction with his own 2 paws . He craps when he swims tho, so no way, Jose. |
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Location: Louisiana | Well she's getting a little better. She actually went outside once today!
Followed by lots of head scratches and "good girl" and sweet talk. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Different breeds react to things differently. Here is a link to a Chinese Crested Rescue. The rescue pages are good for giving advice for specific breeds. They will also be able to help you with his skin condition.
Good Luck!
https://www.facebook.com/chinesecrested.rescueme.org/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf
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Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana |
Thanks, I will check it out!
My vet thinks the sores are from a food allergy and should be fairly easily addressed. He gave me a new food to try, and gave me an antibiotic and topical spray to heal them and help and infection.
Although I picked up vetyricin today bc she seems sensitive to the prescribed spray. She doesn't lick at all until I spray her, and her skin turns red, so it must burn a little.
I also got her a gentle, soothing oatmeal shampoo, and it helped a lot.
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Location: Texas | I have potty trained lots of dogs. The best method I've found is: when you go outside just say "go potty" and repeat and repeat and repeat. lol until she goes then I give praise and a piece of hotdog (my training treats...cheap and they love them). Be diligent. It sounds silly but it works. |
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