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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Has this taken off anywhere else in the country? I attended one for the first time last night and I was impressed. The way these are run, 100 dollar entry fee with a 95 percent payout, plus added money. And it's a 4D. The payout was amazing for all divisions. It was even better at their first race with over 100 entries. Last night there were 67. Still a great show. I am really really liking the idea of them. |
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Location: sunny california | how do they pay for it? I mean 95% doesn't leave much for the producer. with water electric arena rental, deisel for the tractor and insurance... then they also add money? I don't think this will last.. the law of diminsihing returns will pervade. |
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Location: Louisiana | kwanatha - 2016-09-05 1:28 PM
how do they pay for it? I mean 95% doesn't leave much for the producer. with water electric arena rental, deisel for the tractor and insurance... then they also add money? I don't think this will last.. the law of diminsihing returns will pervade.Â
This was my first thought as well...
But I'm intrigued for sure!!! Perhaps some sponsors choose to donate towards certain overhead cost??
Unless maybe it's an add on type deal to another show...then those fees are already covered. Hmmm....
Tell us more!!
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| I don't think the producers would make too much less really. I mean 80% payback on a $25 entry is $5 for the producer. 95% payback on $100 is also $5. At least I think right...my math skills are not the best haha |
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| If it is equal payout, you will eliminate a lot of the 1D girls. If it is not you will eliminate most of the 4 D girls. |
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| If it is equal payout, you will eliminate a lot of the 1D girls. If it is not you will eliminate most of the 4 D girls. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | dashnlotti - 2016-09-05 2:58 PM kwanatha - 2016-09-05 1:28 PM how do they pay for it? I mean 95% doesn't leave much for the producer. with water electric arena rental, deisel for the tractor and insurance... then they also add money? I don't think this will last.. the law of diminsihing returns will pervade. This was my first thought as well... But I'm intrigued for sure!!! Perhaps some sponsors choose to donate towards certain overhead cost?? Unless maybe it's an add on type deal to another show...then those fees are already covered. Hmmm.... Tell us more!!
It's not designed to draw a few hundred entries like the big three day shows. So the cost is down some, no stalls, no hookups. One day show so having an indoor is not a must.
It is treated the exact same as any jackpot, just with a 100 dollar entry fee and a higher payout. They can still make money from exhibitions, and the youth and adult classes are 80 percent payout.
It's new and I love the idea. Not something I would afford every single weekend, but a couple a year would be nice. I can't begin to count how many three days shows I have attended in the last 20 years and not once did I earn more then the whole weekend cost me (I suck).
It is a 4D, and even last place in the 4D got their fees back. First in the 2D over the weekend paid 824. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | missroselee - 2016-09-05 6:46 PM
dashnlotti - 2016-09-05 2:58 PM kwanatha - 2016-09-05 1:28 PM how do they pay for it? I mean 95% doesn't leave much for the producer. with water electric arena rental, deisel for the tractor and insurance... then they also add money? I don't think this will last.. the law of diminsihing returns will pervade. This was my first thought as well... But I'm intrigued for sure!!! Perhaps some sponsors choose to donate towards certain overhead cost?? Unless maybe it's an add on type deal to another show...then those fees are already covered. Hmmm.... Tell us more!!
It is treated the exact same as any jackpot, just with a 100 dollar entry fee and a higher payout. Â They can still make money from exhibitions, and the youth and adult classes are 80 percent payout. Â
It's new and I love the idea. Â Not something I would afford every single weekend, but a couple a year would be nice. Â I can't begin to count how many three days shows I have attended in the last 20 years and not once did I earn more then the whole weekend cost me (I suck).
It is a 4D, and even last place in the 4D got their fees back. Â First in the 2D over the weekend paid 824.
The arena was free and yes they had sponsors and added money. There was also exhibitions and a cook shack. I think a horse fee? I attended the first one over the 4th. |
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| They have had a couple in Missouri with good turn outs. I like the concept, don't mind the entry fee, but I don't like the payout breakdowns. It bothers me when someone in the 3d makes more than a placer in the 1d. I like what the concept of a divisional barrel race did for the sport, and how it gives so many more people the chance to enjoy what we love. But I don't like equal payouts. It is still supposed to be a horse race, and should be rewarded as such. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | KindaClassey - 2016-09-06 9:36 AM They have had a couple in Missouri with good turn outs. I like the concept, don't mind the entry fee, but I don't like the payout breakdowns. It bothers me when someone in the 3d makes more than a placer in the 1d. I like what the concept of a divisional barrel race did for the sport, and how it gives so many more people the chance to enjoy what we love. But I don't like equal payouts. It is still supposed to be a horse race, and should be rewarded as such.
I don't mind equal payouts under different circumstances. When you are talking this much money then I honestly could care less how much the 3d or the 4d people earned if I won the 2D (and yes I happened to win the 2D at the last one). Honestly, I didn't even look at the 3 and 4d placings to see what it paid. I was so beyond excited to pull such a large check that I didn't need to compare.
But that's the great thing about this sport. There are so many different options. If a person doesn't like equal payouts they can choose where to run. If they don't like certain associations, they can choose as well.
I was just curious becuase this is a new concept that I had never really considered. I think it's a good concept. No matter what we choose to do in this sport, it's a gamble. Some people prefer three days shows, some rodeos, some playday events, and I am hoping this idea becomes a routine option as well. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | TheDutchMan01 - 2016-09-05 10:42 PM missroselee - 2016-09-05 6:46 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-05 2:58 PM kwanatha - 2016-09-05 1:28 PM how do they pay for it? I mean 95% doesn't leave much for the producer. with water electric arena rental, deisel for the tractor and insurance... then they also add money? I don't think this will last.. the law of diminsihing returns will pervade. This was my first thought as well... But I'm intrigued for sure!!! Perhaps some sponsors choose to donate towards certain overhead cost?? Unless maybe it's an add on type deal to another show...then those fees are already covered. Hmmm.... Tell us more!!
It is treated the exact same as any jackpot, just with a 100 dollar entry fee and a higher payout. They can still make money from exhibitions, and the youth and adult classes are 80 percent payout.
It's new and I love the idea. Not something I would afford every single weekend, but a couple a year would be nice. I can't begin to count how many three days shows I have attended in the last 20 years and not once did I earn more then the whole weekend cost me (I suck).
It is a 4D, and even last place in the 4D got their fees back. First in the 2D over the weekend paid 824. The arena was free and yes they had sponsors and added money. There was also exhibitions and a cook shack. I think a horse fee? I attended the first one over the 4th.
Marble Hill? I missed the first one because of a 3rd place finish the night prior in Potosi which made me choose to skip a super super hot day the next day. I made the last one and really enjoyed it. |
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| I also appreciate the fact that there are so many options of where to go. And you are absolutely right - just pick one you like and don't fuss about the others. But, I was answering honestly. I'll be the first to admit, I love the chance of pulling a check in any division when I'm riding a colt or something goes wrong in a run - or in my case being on the downhill side of my youth. BUT, in no way shape or form, do I agree with even my own check being larger than someone who ran faster than me. It takes away incentive to work on horsemanship, to train a better horse, and to become a better rider. It sends the message that mediocracy is just fine and should be rewarded just as much as someone with more talent in a COMPETION - and I personally believe that is part of the problem with America today. It chaps me - just like the fast food workers wanting $15 an hour when there are others out there working much harder jobs for not much more money.
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Location: The South | That sounds really neat! I hope it trickles down to AR...mounted shooting has become too expensive and the shoots are getting farther away from home so I'm gonna start working my new girl on barrels and see what happens. It's been well over 10 years since I've had a barrel horse, but the 3D/4D concept makes me feel like I can get back out there again and have fun!  |
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| KindaClassey - 2016-09-06 12:21 PM
It takes away incentive to work on horsemanship, to train a better horse, and to become a better rider. It sends the message that mediocracy is just fine and should be rewarded just as much as someone with more talent in a COMPETION - and I personally believe that is part of the problem with America today. It chaps me - just like the fast food workers wanting $15 an hour when there are others out there working much harder jobs for not much more money.
I loved loved loved the race!!!! I can't wait to go to another one (hopefully in the spring!
Also, I understand the point that you are trying to make about the payout but I cannot agree with this at all: "It takes away incentive to work on horsemanship, to train a better horse, and to become a better rider. It sends the message that mediocracy is just fine and should be rewarded just as much as someone with more talent in a COMPETION - and I personally believe that is part of the problem with America today. It chaps me - just like the fast food workers wanting $15 an hour when there are others out there working much harder jobs for not much more money"
I am not sure if I will ever be 1D rider or will I ever be able to afford a 1D horse. I by no means consider myself mediocre or less talented than another rider that rides a 1D horse. I work VERY HARD, sometimes harder than some 1D riders (I know because I ride with them and I am on my horses every day and they don't). I try to improve my horsemanship every single day and become a better rider every time I put a foot in the stir up. I am grateful that we have divisions in a competition as that gives me even more incentive to work harder so I can go and place in A DIVISION! . Some of us just don't have the financial opportunities to get a better horse or train one!WE just work with what God gave us...It doesn't make us mediocre if anything it makes us grateful that we can still do what we love with what we have and have a chance to be rewarded for it  |
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| Totally understand - I'm no longer and probably will never be the 1D rider I once was. But do you honestly believe you should receive more money than the 1D rider? Should anyone that places in a division be rewarded? Sure!! Do some of them work really hard to get to the level they are? Sure!! Do they deserve the same money for what is - despite the fact it is divisional - a horse RACE??? No.
But it is just my opinion. I answered honestly, but it doesn't make it anymore important than anyone else's. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | missroselee - 2016-09-06 10:40 AM
TheDutchMan01 - 2016-09-05 10:42 PM missroselee - 2016-09-05 6:46 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-05 2:58 PM kwanatha - 2016-09-05 1:28 PM how do they pay for it? I mean 95% doesn't leave much for the producer. with water electric arena rental, deisel for the tractor and insurance... then they also add money? I don't think this will last.. the law of diminsihing returns will pervade. This was my first thought as well... But I'm intrigued for sure!!! Perhaps some sponsors choose to donate towards certain overhead cost?? Unless maybe it's an add on type deal to another show...then those fees are already covered. Hmmm.... Tell us more!!
It is treated the exact same as any jackpot, just with a 100 dollar entry fee and a higher payout. Â They can still make money from exhibitions, and the youth and adult classes are 80 percent payout. Â
It's new and I love the idea. Â Not something I would afford every single weekend, but a couple a year would be nice. Â I can't begin to count how many three days shows I have attended in the last 20 years and not once did I earn more then the whole weekend cost me (I suck).
It is a 4D, and even last place in the 4D got their fees back. Â First in the 2D over the weekend paid 824. The arena was free and yes they had sponsors and added money. There was also exhibitions and a cook shack. I think a horse fee? I attended the first one over the 4th.
Yes...or as I like to call it bfe! |
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Location: Good ole SE Mo | TheDutchMan01 - 2016-09-06 8:43 PM
missroselee - 2016-09-06 10:40 AM
TheDutchMan01 - 2016-09-05 10:42 PM missroselee - 2016-09-05 6:46 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-05 2:58 PM kwanatha - 2016-09-05 1:28 PM how do they pay for it? I mean 95% doesn't leave much for the producer. with water electric arena rental, deisel for the tractor and insurance... then they also add money? I don't think this will last.. the law of diminsihing returns will pervade. This was my first thought as well... But I'm intrigued for sure!!! Perhaps some sponsors choose to donate towards certain overhead cost?? Unless maybe it's an add on type deal to another show...then those fees are already covered. Hmmm.... Tell us more!!
It is treated the exact same as any jackpot, just with a 100 dollar entry fee and a higher payout. Â They can still make money from exhibitions, and the youth and adult classes are 80 percent payout. Â
It's new and I love the idea. Â Not something I would afford every single weekend, but a couple a year would be nice. Â I can't begin to count how many three days shows I have attended in the last 20 years and not once did I earn more then the whole weekend cost me (I suck).
It is a 4D, and even last place in the 4D got their fees back. Â First in the 2D over the weekend paid 824. The arena was free and yes they had sponsors and added money. There was also exhibitions and a cook shack. I think a horse fee? I attended the first one over the 4th.
Yes...or as I like to call it bfe!
I work in Marble Hill and due to being knocked up missed this past race but yes it's total BFE out here!!! haha |
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Location: SE Missouri | roperqueen - 2016-09-07 7:48 AM
TheDutchMan01 - 2016-09-06 8:43 PM
missroselee - 2016-09-06 10:40 AM
TheDutchMan01 - 2016-09-05 10:42 PM missroselee - 2016-09-05 6:46 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-05 2:58 PM kwanatha - 2016-09-05 1:28 PM how do they pay for it? I mean 95% doesn't leave much for the producer. with water electric arena rental, deisel for the tractor and insurance... then they also add money? I don't think this will last.. the law of diminsihing returns will pervade. This was my first thought as well... But I'm intrigued for sure!!! Perhaps some sponsors choose to donate towards certain overhead cost?? Unless maybe it's an add on type deal to another show...then those fees are already covered. Hmmm.... Tell us more!!
It is treated the exact same as any jackpot, just with a 100 dollar entry fee and a higher payout. Â They can still make money from exhibitions, and the youth and adult classes are 80 percent payout. Â
It's new and I love the idea. Â Not something I would afford every single weekend, but a couple a year would be nice. Â I can't begin to count how many three days shows I have attended in the last 20 years and not once did I earn more then the whole weekend cost me (I suck).
It is a 4D, and even last place in the 4D got their fees back. Â First in the 2D over the weekend paid 824. The arena was free and yes they had sponsors and added money. There was also exhibitions and a cook shack. I think a horse fee? I attended the first one over the 4th.
Yes...or as I like to call it bfe!
I work in Marble Hill and due to being knocked up missed this past race but yes it's total BFE out here!!! haha
It's a shame they don't have the Optimist Shows anymore. I grew up going to those. The men that ran it never could get names right but they were very nice. I miss all the local shows.
HOWEVER- I'm so glad The Hundred Dollar Race is going on even if I haven't made it to it yet! It's literally less than 25miles from my house :( The ground is good and the people that own the arena are just good people. Great concept, great grounds, and good people are always a good combo. Maybe I'll get to play a little more next year :) |
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Location: Good ole SE Mo | abrooks - 2016-09-07 10:16 AM
roperqueen - 2016-09-07 7:48 AM
TheDutchMan01 - 2016-09-06 8:43 PM
missroselee - 2016-09-06 10:40 AM
TheDutchMan01 - 2016-09-05 10:42 PM missroselee - 2016-09-05 6:46 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-05 2:58 PM kwanatha - 2016-09-05 1:28 PM how do they pay for it? I mean 95% doesn't leave much for the producer. with water electric arena rental, deisel for the tractor and insurance... then they also add money? I don't think this will last.. the law of diminsihing returns will pervade. This was my first thought as well... But I'm intrigued for sure!!! Perhaps some sponsors choose to donate towards certain overhead cost?? Unless maybe it's an add on type deal to another show...then those fees are already covered. Hmmm.... Tell us more!!
It is treated the exact same as any jackpot, just with a 100 dollar entry fee and a higher payout. Â They can still make money from exhibitions, and the youth and adult classes are 80 percent payout. Â
It's new and I love the idea. Â Not something I would afford every single weekend, but a couple a year would be nice. Â I can't begin to count how many three days shows I have attended in the last 20 years and not once did I earn more then the whole weekend cost me (I suck).
It is a 4D, and even last place in the 4D got their fees back. Â First in the 2D over the weekend paid 824. The arena was free and yes they had sponsors and added money. There was also exhibitions and a cook shack. I think a horse fee? I attended the first one over the 4th.
Yes...or as I like to call it bfe!
I work in Marble Hill and due to being knocked up missed this past race but yes it's total BFE out here!!! haha
It's a shame they don't have the Optimist Shows anymore. I grew up going to those. The men that ran it never could get names right but they were very nice. I miss all the local shows.
HOWEVER- I'm so glad The Hundred Dollar Race is going on even if I haven't made it to it yet! It's literally less than 25miles from my house : ( The ground is good and the people that own the arena are just good people. Great concept, great grounds, and good people are always a good combo. Maybe I'll get to play a little more next year : )
Yes! I miss those shows too! Plus the western pleasure and all other stuff that we had to sit through to get to the barrels lol |
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Location: MO | Maybe you should include the producers in on this and they can give their insight to the hows and the whys. :) They may be onto something big. I was unable to attend either race, but I am so glad people are paying attention to them. The pay out looked great, and the competition is there for sure!!! I want to try and make 1 next year, if they have them.
As far as equal payout - the 2 3 and 4d riders pay the same entry fee knowing they are gambling with their money and adding to the overall pot. I could care less if the 3d 1st place rider wins more than the 4th place 2d rider. Everyone is still working hard to get something, anything. I know when I go to a 3 day show I am gambling every time because I don't have the TRUE 1d super horse. I barrel race because I love it, and I don't focus on the money. If I did, I wouldn't be doing this and I wouldn't broke all the time. LOL Seriously though, I totally understand and respect the progressive pay rider's way of thinking, it is a horse race. The majority of races (at least in our area) are all equal not progressive so that leaves little to go to if you decide you don't like it.
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