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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I'm not one to complain, but I wanted to see how other people felt about this...
A series just finished up. 4d format. Awards thru third. Saddle, buckle, and a trailer camera. It was stated in every flyer and entry form that to qualify for awards, the last race MUST be attended. You don't attend, it's given to next in line. At the awards ceremony, they changed it for two people who didn't attend but placed. They still received their awards as long as someone picked them up.
Does that seem completely fair? I'm slightly irritated because it effected my overall placing. |
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Location: Wherever They Send Me | Id be irritated too...and no, it doesn't seem fair.
Edited by amandacamarano 2016-09-19 1:25 PM
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Was the last race held when originally scheduled? |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Yes it was. |
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 I hate cooking and cleaning
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Location: Jersey Girl | I would be upset too. |
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I got nothin then.
Maybe extenuating circumstances? If that were the case tho, the rule should have read "must attend last show to receive awards unless prior approval is granted by the producer or arrangements are made with the producer" or something like that. Unequivocal language doesn't allow rule bending for special circumstances. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-19 1:36 PM I got nothin then.
Maybe extenuating circumstances? If that were the case tho, the rule should have read "must attend last show to receive awards unless prior approval is granted by the producer or arrangements are made with the producer" or something like that. Unequivocal language doesn't allow rule bending for special circumstances.
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 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Changing the rules has been the downfall of many barrel racing associations. The rules are set at the beginning of each year and should never be changed until the following year.
I was in an association that would bend the rules and it caused a bunch of hard feelings and people getting screwed. A bunch of us stood up to the BS and the president said if we thought we could do better...have at it...we did and there weren't any changing rules. We also had a rule that you had to attend the awards banquet in order to receive your awards. We had a clause if something beyond the control happened, we would have a board meeting to decide if the person received their awards. Our banquet was also part of our fund raising for awards as we had a dinner and dance with it.
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Location: Texas | Rules or not, there may be circumstances that you don't know about. I don't think it is right to demand that a person be present to accept the award that they EARNED. Life happens. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevertooold - 2016-09-19 1:50 PM Changing the rules has been the downfall of many barrel racing associations. The rules are set at the beginning of each year and should never be changed until the following year.
I was in an association that would bend the rules and it caused a bunch of hard feelings and people getting screwed. A bunch of us stood up to the BS and the president said if we thought we could do better...have at it...we did and there weren't any changing rules. We also had a rule that you had to attend the awards banquet in order to receive your awards. We had a clause if something beyond the control happened, we would have a board meeting to decide if the person received their awards. Our banquet was also part of our fund raising for awards as we had a dinner and dance with it.
^^^^ THIS ......it is one of the main reasons that many barrel associations or producers fail .....rules are made for a reason! Not adhering to them makes people mad and gives them a bad reputation....and yes, I would have been mad....would have said something to the producer and would NOT ever enter their races again! |
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 Too Skinny
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | If I placed 5th and 4th place didn't show up I wouldn't consider myself 4th place. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cowgalsissy - 2016-09-19 2:27 PM If I placed 5th and 4th place didn't show up I wouldn't consider myself 4th place.
However, that 4th place person did not "earn" that placing if the rules state that you have to attend the last race....this was not just going to pick up awards (by the OP's description)....you had to compete in the last race......a person doesn't "earn" anything until they have fulfilled the "requirements". I know of many series that have rules that you have to attend a certain number or all, etc of the races .... it makes people attend and rewards those who support their series. |
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Too Skinny
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | NJJ - 2016-09-19 2:33 PM cowgalsissy - 2016-09-19 2:27 PM If I placed 5th and 4th place didn't show up I wouldn't consider myself 4th place. However, that 4th place person did not "earn" that placing if the rules state that you have to attend the last race....this was not just going to pick up awards (by the OP's description)....you had to compete in the last race......a person doesn't "earn" anything until they have fulfilled the "requirements". I know of many series that have rules that you have to attend a certain number or all, etc of the races .... it makes people attend and rewards those who support their series.
Oh I understand that. I am just saying that without even showing up to the last show she still whooped my tail and placed ahead of me......  |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I do know why she wasn't able to attend..... The rules still state that the last race must be attended. It was a required attendance. She and I had gone back and forth the entire season. We were "neck and neck" so to speak. |
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Location: Arkansas | I agree, rules are rules. Everyone knew them going into the series. . . . |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I was emailing with a gal who helped put on the series about my concerns last night. She said that since it is a family run business who puts the series on, they are very open to accommodating the riders in different circumstances. Personally, my husband and I missed something very important to attend this "mandatory" race. She said we would have been accommodated as well. I can understand that. But I feel that it should have been known to all the racers ahead of time that "mandatory" does not follow one definition. |
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 It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | ~BINGO~ - 2016-09-20 10:17 AM I was emailing with a gal who helped put on the series about my concerns last night. She said that since it is a family run business who puts the series on, they are very open to accommodating the riders in different circumstances. Personally, my husband and I missed something very important to attend this "mandatory" race. She said we would have been accommodated as well. I can understand that. But I feel that it should have been known to all the racers ahead of time that "mandatory" does not follow one definition.
That isn't considered 'mandatory' then IMO?  |
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ~BINGO~ - 2016-09-20 10:17 AM I was emailing with a gal who helped put on the series about my concerns last night. She said that since it is a family run business who puts the series on, they are very open to accommodating the riders in different circumstances. Personally, my husband and I missed something very important to attend this "mandatory" race. She said we would have been accommodated as well. I can understand that. But I feel that it should have been known to all the racers ahead of time that "mandatory" does not follow one definition.
If that was the rule they intended to follow, that was the rule that should have been published. Hopefully they will learn their lesson. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Rules are rules once they are set they should be followed, NO ands ifs are buts, its a rule..  |
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