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Location: U.S. | My gelding has been having some light tying up episodes. He is 5 panel N/N (FYI). I am aware that switching to a low starch diet like rg and good hay. Or something like releve. That is all well and good however this horse is the hardest keeper I have ever had and I am afraid he might be skin and bones if I were to lower his starch. I am going to send in his biopsy to see if it is pssm 2. However Idont think it is. He has had a blood panel pulled and nothing was abnormal. More curious on these low starch diets if horses have enough energy and any weight issues? |
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| rockstarinboots - 2016-09-19 12:30 PM
My gelding has been having some light tying up episodes. He is 5 panel N/N (FYI). I am aware that switching to a low starch diet like rg and good hay. Or something like releve. That is all well and good however this horse is the hardest keeper I have ever had and I am afraid he might be skin and bones if I were to lower his starch. I am going to send in his biopsy to see if it is pssm 2. However Idont think it is. He has had a blood panel pulled and nothing was abnormal. More curious on these low starch diets if horses have enough energy and any weight issues?
Try a magnesium/Selenium/Vit E supplement. I believe Animed products make one with all 3 |
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Location: NE Texas | If he were mine i'd put him on alfalfa hay, half a scoop of oats once daily and start with Cur-ost Rejuvenate and Cur-ost Total Support. Another of our board buddies, carrieh77, has a mare that has pssm and has done fabulously on this diet. First year that she hasn't had an episode during the hot summer months that I can remember. |
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| I have a gelding I am waiting on pssm 2 from equiseq, the company that is doing the new hair test. They also have him in a couple of their other studies. He is five panel n/n. He has not tyed up, but had a lot of muscle pain all over and was having muscle fasciculations. He is getting fed triple crown 30%, magnesium, and natural vitamen e. I have not had any problems giving him rice bran, but he is so fat right now I cut that out. I don't think the starch is as much of a concern with the type 2 as the type1, its more about getting there protein levels up. He was on a small amount of alfalfa pellets, when I tried increasing that he started having muscle cramping again. His blood panel was completely normal as well.
ETA: There is a pssm forum on facebook that is really helpful
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Location: So. Cali. | Look into MVP Products- Insync
And Cool Calories for added weight and/or daily oil - Canola/Vegitable, etc.
ETA: Safechoice Special Care as well
Edited by Three*C*Champs 2016-09-19 4:25 PM
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| Test him for PSSM Type 2 through Equiseq and try a high protein diet! Low nsc isnt really an issue for type 2's but it won't hurt, my type 2 is a hard keeper if not on a high protein diet. I feed Triple Crown 30, Purina SuperSport, and alfalfa pellets along with Natural Vit E and Magnesium....with equiseq you dont have to do a biopsy |
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| Cheeka, how much of the purina supersport are you feeding? I keep seeing that mentioned on the pssm forum and would like to try it. |
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Location: southeast Texas | I have a suspected PSSM2. He was a hard keeper. I now have him on a PSSM type 2 diet. High protein, fat and his supplements. He has never looked better.
1/2 lb alfalfa pellets to mix his supliments with two squirts of soybean oil and renew gold. One big scoop of alfalfa cubes. Am and pm. In the evening he gets a pat of alfalfa hay.
He has energy to spare. If he needs a little more umph one or two more squirts of oil. |
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| Ultium and alfalfa. You might also look into OEAlign. It is high fat and has everything as far as minerals and vitamins. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Stay away from high starch feeds. Many bagged feeds and oats are very high in starch. I feed Ultium to my guy that ties up. |
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| Three*C*Champs - 2016-09-19 4:23 PM
Look into MVP Products- Insync
And Cool Calories for added weight and/or daily oil - Canola/Vegitable, etc.
ETA: Safechoice Special Care as well
I would recommend MVPs InSync for sure. |
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| Buckles - 2016-09-20 6:20 AM Cheeka, how much of the purina supersport are you feeding? I keep seeing that mentioned on the pssm forum and would like to try it.
1 Cup :) Like a normal measuring cup but some feed 1 1/3 cup if the horse is like 1100 lbs |
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Location: North Dakota | ALCAR is the latest for PSSM 1 or 2 horses. I fed it to one of our geldings that tied up, not only did it eliminate future episodes, it really filled him out and bulked him up. He looked amazing on it. And again..a low carb diet.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You need to look into a feed that Bluebonnet makes, its low in strach and sugar its called Intensify Total Advantage, alot use this feed for the pssm horses. |
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| Runnincat - 2016-09-20 1:18 PM ALCAR is the latest for PSSM 1 or 2 horses. I fed it to one of our geldings that tied up, not only did it eliminate future episodes, it really filled him out and bulked him up. He looked amazing on it. And again..a low carb diet.
Actually, there is no science to back this up and people on the PSSM Forum are mostly collectively against it as the amount it would take to feed a horse is an insane amount :) |
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Location: North Dakota | cheeka77 - 2016-09-20 10:04 PM Runnincat - 2016-09-20 1:18 PM ALCAR is the latest for PSSM 1 or 2 horses. I fed it to one of our geldings that tied up, not only did it eliminate future episodes, it really filled him out and bulked him up. He looked amazing on it. And again..a low carb diet. Actually, there is no science to back this up and people on the PSSM Forum are mostly collectively against it as the amount it would take to feed a horse is an insane amount :)
I don't know if anything has actually been published but clinical trials have been done. They recommend feeding 1 g per 100 lbs. Each PSSM horse responds differently. It may be figuring out what works.
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Location: U.S. | Has anyone tried RE-LEVE or RE-LEVE sport. It is made by Kentucky Equine Research. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | THE can make a great supplement to help with both. I have a friend whose horse had severe tying up episodes for months and then Bob made a formula and hasn't tied up since! Give them a call!! Plus custom formulas are 20% off this month.  |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | rockstarinboots - 2016-09-19 1:30 PM My gelding has been having some light tying up episodes. He is 5 panel N/N (FYI). I am aware that switching to a low starch diet like rg and good hay. Or something like releve. That is all well and good however this horse is the hardest keeper I have ever had and I am afraid he might be skin and bones if I were to lower his starch. I am going to send in his biopsy to see if it is pssm 2. However Idont think it is. He has had a blood panel pulled and nothing was abnormal. More curious on these low starch diets if horses have enough energy and any weight issues?
I sent you a pm yesterday :) |
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| After having a suspected PSSM horse, I switched ALL of my horses to the low starch feeds and they all look great, in fact I was able to reduce the amount I feed by almost half to "normal" horses. If your horse needs more calories add fat as suggested. I did try ALCAR on my PSSM suspect and noticed zero effect but am aware that each individual metabolizes differently. I also feed first cutting alfalfa but this year it is mostly grass. |
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