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| ive been running my mare successfully for the past 3 months on lasix. 2 hours IV at 5ml. Today she was shaking her head around the barrels (not a new thing but more noticeable today) and after our second go, she bled out one nostril. Do I need a new dose? Is this possible allergies, too? She has never coughed so my vet is leaning toward adding Albuterol but I don't know anything about that combination. Anyone deal with this? He also said antibiotics won't help the lungs heal. I thought you always put them on antibiotics after they bleed out. So confused! We were back in the 1D again so I'm so lost!! |
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Location: Texas | how long was the time between your lasix dose and the second run? |
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| casualdust07 - 2016-09-25 6:37 PM how long was the time between your lasix dose and the second run?
I would gues 5/6 hours. My vet told me it is good for 12 hours. Should the dose be higher for a longer gap between runs? She doesn't have any food but I was told drinking is fine. |
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Location: Great Places Great Faces | I have a bleeder and was told by several vets not to give water before a run as it defeats the purpose of what lasix achieves and also not to make more than one run in a day. I only run once at double headers. Also you can increase your dose. I'd talk to a race track vet as they have the most experience with bleeders. |
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| Spiked-Kat - 2016-09-25 6:52 PM I have a bleeder and was told by several vets not to give water before a run as it defeats the purpose of what lasix achieves and also not to make more than one run in a day. I only run once at double headers. Also you can increase your dose. I'd talk to a race track vet as they have the most experience with bleeders.
I was told that the water doesn't make it back into their lungs for several hours. How do I find a race track vet? I'd love to talk to one!! |
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Location: WI | Contact dr Brunk in grand island Nebraska, tons of track experience |
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Location: MS | Lasix does not last for 12 hours. Google it and you'll get alot of info.
I have a bleeder and my vet said that I could dose him twice if I ran twice in one day.
I would never run mine twice in one day. Too risky. |
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| I am reaching out to Dr. Brunk. Thank you! I am also looking at the details. This is the first time i ran her with this big of a time difference between her shot and my second run. Ususally its within 3-4 hours but yesterday was closer to 6. The site for Lasix says 6-8 hours between doeses and at a much larger dose than i am giving. Im still not finding any information on whether or not you need to do antibiotics after an episode of bleeding. I spoke with a vet las night and he indicated that would only be of value if it was a pneumonia/infection situation. With the lack of coughting (she has never coughed) , he didnt feel they would do anything. Thoughts? |
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| The dose for lasix is 10cc 2-4 hours before you run, no water and no food. Never run twice and once you allow them to drink the lasix doesn't work.
I would give her a month off since she bled and do 10cc and no second run ever.
Just my opinion. I have 3 horses that bleed, I have had to give up double runs and do things quite different now, but they run hard for me and do very well and have had zero bleeding since :) Good luck!
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| stjelde - 2016-09-26 9:53 AM The dose for lasix is 10cc 2-4 hours before you run, no water and no food. Never run twice and once you allow them to drink the lasix doesn't work.
I would give her a month off since she bled and do 10cc and no second run ever.
Just my opinion. I have 3 horses that bleed, I have had to give up double runs and do things quite different now, but they run hard for me and do very well and have had zero bleeding since :) Good luck!
Do you give them electrolytes? Are you giving anything daily to help? I get mixed reviews on a daily being of any value, too. Ive noticed my mare will feel warm to the touch (like she's been in the sun) around the time i run. have you ever noticed this? Do you ever use a nebulizer?
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I ran two rodeos in one day once with 3-4 hours In between traveling, after my first run I gave her water, then I dosed her again 1.5 hours before (mine only got 3cc Lasix IM and it worked).
I would not trust lasix you work that long especially after you have given water, defeated the purpose.
Make sure you horse is in good good shape if she's bleeding through 5cc that is pretty bad. |
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| RnRJack - 2016-09-26 11:28 AM I ran two rodeos in one day once with 3-4 hours In between traveling, after my first run I gave her water, then I dosed her again 1.5 hours before (mine only got 3cc Lasix IM and it worked). I would not trust lasix you work that long especially after you have given water, defeated the purpose. Make sure you horse is in good good shape if she's bleeding through 5cc that is pretty bad.
Do you think shes not fit enough even If the Lasix was out of her system/useless by the time she ran? |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | How much do you ride her and for how long? My bleeder is on a STRICT exercise program and all natural feed program with a vitamin K supplement that helps promote healthy lung function.
Every horse is different though
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| RnRJack - 2016-09-26 11:44 AM
How much do you ride her and for how long? My bleeder is on a STRICT exercise program and all natural feed program with a vitamin K supplement that helps promote healthy lung function.
Every horse is different though
2 days a week for 45 minutes each all year. plus trailer rides ont he weekends she doesnt compete. She is also outside 24/7. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | In my opinion, that's not nearly enough to have a barrel horse BUT I know many people who are limited and can't ride as much, if you want to be seriously competitive and help lower bleeding risks you have to ride her much more then that. But I've seen people pull horses from the pasture and have no problems or injuries, in my opinion they're just lucky.
Just remember once they start bleeding through lasix, there's nothing else that will help them. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Maybe you should give it to your horse 4-5 hours before racing. If that doesn't work give 6 or 7 cc. |
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| I have my 3 on the Oxy Bleeder package..... the Oxy O2 2X, Bleeder stop, and immunize (I think that is what they are called). I use an Equi Resp 2 hours before each run and if it is hot and dry I will do the equi resp during the week. Then at 1.5 hours before I run I give them Oxy boost which contains electrolytes and probios. I try to give lasix 3h out and then when they get done running I have water ready for them. Water, walk, water, walk, and then give them hay. I don't give electrolytes until I get home and they are in frount of water 24-7. Seems to work good...... I haven't had anyone bleed through or any problems, I also give 10cc lasix. I order it from Valley Vet with a script from my vet as it is way cheap on there! Like a third of what my vet clinic was charging. |
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| RnRJack - 2016-09-26 2:49 PM In my opinion, that's not nearly enough to have a barrel horse BUT I know many people who are limited and can't ride as much, if you want to be seriously competitive and help lower bleeding risks you have to ride her much more then that. But I've seen people pull horses from the pasture and have no problems or injuries, in my opinion they're just lucky. Just remember once they start bleeding through lasix, there's nothing else that will help them.
Ditto, I swim my bleeder twice a week and ride twice a week, walk 10, trot and lope for 15 minutes and repeat. |
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Location: South Central Florida | Lasix does not last 12 hours. I can't believe a vet told you that. We have has 2nruns in a day over the years. If the second run was more than 6 hours out, we gave half a dose again at 4.5 hours. PER VET. If it was more than 8 hours out, give a full dose again. After the first run, totally rehydrate before the second run. Also we gave OTC Jug after the day was over, but I can't find it any more. We now give Animal Element In The Zone and she will drink a ton of water in a short time.Many horses need more than 5cc, but the sounds like it's possible that is not your issue. I would also look into some mineral supplements to HELP the Lasix, not eliminate it. |
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