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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Any surprises?
Trump missed his chance to hit Hillary hard on her email scandal when the issue of cyber security was brought up. I was very surprised. Hillary was on the offense most of the time, but I don't see a clear winner. Nobody scored a knockout punch.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | I just saw the last half, hoping the first half was better. Honestly, what I saw had me wondering if he won the nomination to hand the win to Hillary. I hope he has a better strategy in the next debates...... very dissapointed. |
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Location: north dakota | I watched the debate and you could tell Hillary spent more time preparing. Trump had a few openings where he could have really put pressure on her but didn't. I thought some of the topics were more in Hillarys favor. Overall it didn't seem like there was a clear winner. |
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| Trump really didn't have anything to say other than things are really really bad and he is very very rich. |
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| I think Trump did a good job talking about the inner cities and demonstrating he understood their plight. He may actually pick up a few extra votes in that department. I think he also effectively pushed home his point that he could do a better job with keeping our corporations from leaving. But, he lost this debate, in my opinion. Before the debate, Hillary was on the ropes about trust, and he failed to push that issue. She won, plain and simple. |
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| It was a draw IMO. |
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| Trump probably let too many people get into his head during debate prep. He was not himself and took the hook every time crooked Hillary baited him. He really needs to turn things around next debate.
Having that left wing nut Lester Holt didn't help things either. He was clearly pro Hillary and it was nauseating. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | oh she was pretty, polished and does just what politicians do... tell you what you want to hear.
he pushed home he had been out seeing the plights of the inner cities. he pushed home that as a career politician where had she done good? he had her at cyber security.
why after the debate did we hear he was unhinged? he lost it. she had him rattled? did anyone see him come unhinged? why cant we make up our own minds after the exchanged without being biased by the media? |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | I fell asleep in my deplorable basket.....I mean reclining chair. I did watch the first half though. I thought Trump was doing a darn good job but when Hillary mentioned solar panels would have been a great time to mention the shutdown of coal mines and miners out of work.
He'll do better next debate but when thousands of people show up for Trump rallies and Hillary speaks to empty chairs what's the big deal about a televised debate anyway. Whose mind are you going to change? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We need to keep a few things in mind. First, Trump held his own without falling into the trap of making huge personal insults.
People were waiting for him to lower the boom on her about a number of things, and he held back a lot, however there will be two more debates. No mention was made of ObamaCare, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, the "re-set" with Russia, the Russian-uranium deal, or "pay-for-play". The email scandal was mentioned, albeit briefly, and not because Lester Holt brought it up. She kept mentioning her "fact checkers" but told a few whoppers of her own.....such as her reference to the TPP as the "gold standard". I thought Trump did a good job on the (irrelevant) "birther" issue, and he did a good job of pointing out how that issue was initially raised by members of the Clinton camp back in 2008.
The talking heads and pundits mainly seemed to give the "win" to Hillary, yet the post debate surveys mostly gave a clear "win" to Trump......even though he hasn't used any big artillery....yet. Yes, those surveys are not " scientific", but I do think they say something. After all, in recent history, the polls have not been all that predictive.
Just remember, Romney absolutely pummeled Obama in the first debate in 2012. Reagan did poorly in his first debate. We all know how those turned out. |
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Location: East Texas | And how about that Lester Holt? Clearly slanted toward Clinton. But, I have a friend, black and a Dem to the core. She posted on FB last night - Lester, Lester, Lester, what are you doing, you are out of control!
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | Wonder what flavor Kool-Aid Lester likes best?
They also didn't bring up illegal immigration. Remember that Hillary's plan is America without borders. Down South that's pretty much where we are anyway.
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| He missed a lot of opportunities. He also took 2 or 3 kicks to the ribs from Lester for every pat on the back he gave her.
Who are the moderators for the next 2 debates? Do we actually get someone fair? |
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Hawty & Nawty
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| I'm not sure if Trump has ever debated before against a different party opponent. I'll bet he will turn up the heat at the next debate. He does have to be careful though, because if he over does it, she'll point out he has a lousy temper. It's a fine line. At least this is interesting, although everyday I wish we had two other people up there from which to choose. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Why didn’t Lester Holt get to ask more questions…. if you cut out all of the self gratifying boasts by Trump about how great he is, how much money he has made, how many people who have endorsed him, blatant advertising of his properties, etc. etc. …….Lester would have had, at least, 30 MORE minutes to ask relevant questions…..
Frankly....Trump blew it.....he spent too much time patting himself on the back instead of ACTUALLY answering questions and putting Hillary on the defense! Even with all of his interrupting, he missed so many opportunities that it isn't even funny! NOW.....we are "boo-hooing" about how unfair the debate was to him and maybe he will skip the next two......really?
Both candidates stink and this has been the two worst choices that I have ever seen in my lifetime!
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Location: Deep South | ndcowgirl - 2016-09-27 1:20 AM
I watched the debate and you could tell Hillary spent more time preparing. Trump had a few openings where he could have really put pressure on her but didn't. I thought some of the topics were more in Hillarys favor. Overall it didn't seem like there was a clear winner.
I completely agree that Trump seemed unprepared, but I was expecting Hillary to be more well spoken and armed with more specifics anyway.
The topics were definitely swayed in her favor! Questions like asking why Trump questioned the legitimacy of Obama's birth even after the release of his birth certificate, why he wouldn't release his tax returns, why he had previously said that Hillary does not look presidential, and why is his judgment better than Hillary's given that he supported the war in Iraq before the invasion.
All questions directed to Hillary were regarding policy. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think getting this first debate out of the way without falling into the trap of completely blowing a gasket was a big step. It appears to me that most people feel Trump actually won the debate, according to millions in post debate polls. If that's the case, it wasn't the first time Trump connected with voters, much to the dismay of the media pundits and talking heads. He's baffled the so-called experts time and time again over the last 16 months.
Have no fear....Trump will almost certainly come out with both guns blazing. He knows people are fickle. He knows the importance of timing. He will eventually have a media blitz of his own. He's saving that for a time when Hillary will have worn out her lines of attack. Thus far, he's spent a very tiny fraction of what Hillary has spent, but he will unleash that when the time is right. In the face of a withering media assault, he had pulled into a dead heat. I doubt we will see the same Donald in the next two debates. Everyone knows he had plenty of ammo in reserve, both financially, as well as substantively. It's like a duel where Hillary has fired off her shot.....now Trump is taking aim. |
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Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Bear - 2016-09-27 8:57 AM We need to keep a few things in mind. First, Trump held his own without falling into the trap of making huge personal insults. People were waiting for him to lower the boom on her about a number of things, and he held back a lot, however there will be two more debates. No mention was made of ObamaCare, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, the "re-set" with Russia, the Russian-uranium deal, or "pay-for-play". The email scandal was mentioned, albeit briefly, and not because Lester Holt brought it up. She kept mentioning her "fact checkers" but told a few whoppers of her own.....such as her reference to the TPP as the "gold standard". I thought Trump did a good job on the (irrelevant) "birther" issue, and he did a good job of pointing out how that issue was initially raised by members of the Clinton camp back in 2008. The talking heads and pundits mainly seemed to give the "win" to Hillary, yet the post debate surveys mostly gave a clear "win" to Trump......even though he hasn't used any big artillery....yet. Yes, those surveys are not " scientific", but I do think they say something. After all, in recent history, the polls have not been all that predictive. Just remember, Romney absolutely pummeled Obama in the first debate in 2012. Reagan did poorly in his first debate. We all know how those turned out.
I hope and pray you are right. BTW, I think in the next debate he needs to wear something that will scramble the signals to Hillarys earpiece. It's not really fair that he has to debate her whole team. I would love to see Hillary actually have to think on her feet without outside help. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I thought Trump did pretty darn good.. Hillary kept trying to get under his skin and she did as she does all of us, but he held his cool. I watched Sean Hannity after the debates and WOW is was a good watch  |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I love how people are saying they didn't bring up certain things. I guess they don't get that it wasn't up to either candidates to bring up what they wanted to talk about. It was a debate where the moderator gave specific questions to be answered. |
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