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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world.
Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court. | |
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | I agree with Bear - In addition, Johnson wants to weaken the Military. | |
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| Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM
I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world.
Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court.
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 Lived to tell about it and will never do it again
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| No third party candidate has a chance to win. Like Bear said, choose between the two no matter how much you have to cringe. I will take my chances on anyone besides Hillary. I am just going to have faith that Trump will surround himself with knowledgeable people. I really do think he has the best intentions for the USA and I sure can't say that about Hillary. Her best intentions are for HER and her only. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Proof that Trump's ideas weren't hatched yesterday can be seen in this video:
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court.
Yep I agree with Bear,, Just hold your nose like NJJ while you vote for Trump , if voting for another is your plain, that will give Hillary more room and that is so scary to think that she could be running our Country
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Location: North Dakota | Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court.
You're not entirely wrong, but every Gary Johnson voter I know refuses to vote for Trump not because of his "temperment" but because of his statist, big government views in a lot of areas. That's not to say that I don't agree with him on some things though. He's not Hillary. I will vote Libertarian because I am a Libertarian. Regardless of who runs for the other two parties. The two party system is BS and needs to end. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-01 10:43 AM Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court. You're not entirely wrong, but every Gary Johnson voter I know refuses to vote for Trump not because of his "temperment" but because of his statist, big government views in a lot of areas. That's not to say that I don't agree with him on some things though. He's not Hillary. I will vote Libertarian because I am a Libertarian. Regardless of who runs for the other two parties. The two party system is BS and needs to end.
Is he really a libertarian tho? Some of his positions don't jive. Like mandatory vaccinations and mandatory GMO labeling. He has come out for both those things. I have libertarian leanings myself and was like 92% in agreement with his platform when I did a candidate quiz, but I will not be voting to him. | |
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Location: Kansas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-01 10:43 AM Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court. You're not entirely wrong, but every Gary Johnson voter I know refuses to vote for Trump not because of his "temperment" but because of his statist, big government views in a lot of areas. That's not to say that I don't agree with him on some things though. He's not Hillary. I will vote Libertarian because I am a Libertarian. Regardless of who runs for the other two parties. The two party system is BS and needs to end.
If Hillary becomes President there will be a one party only system. Opening our borders to freeloaders who'll vote Dem will be the beginning of the end for the Republican party. That is Hillary's plan....a taco truck on every corner (that is except hers). | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Where do I sign up to get a taco truck on a corner near me? | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Bear - 2016-10-01 6:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court.
Not loving either, but I decided to vote how they stand on the issues. That said, she is spawn of satan. | |
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Location: Ky | Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court.
Maybe Nader not being on the ballot in 200 would have meant Gore won? But Gore did win. He won the popular vote but the electoral vote was given to W by the supreme court. And the tipping vote was by W's dad's appointee.
Where is all the right wing indignation over that bit of corruption?
And this election between Clinton and Trump is not about issues at all. They are both democrats. Clinton may be less of a democrat than Trump?
She was a republican that changed parties because of her husband. Trump was a democrat that changed parties because of a better election chance.
It's fine to vote for someone for whatever reason one wants. But why not just say the reason instead of pretending it's something else? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2016-10-01 4:04 PM
Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court.
Maybe Nader not being on the ballot in 200 would have meant Gore won? But Gore did win. He won the popular vote but the electoral vote was given to W by the supreme court. And the tipping vote was by W's dad's appointee.
Where is all the right wing indignation over that bit of corruption?
And this election between Clinton and Trump is not about issues at all. They are both democrats. Clinton may be less of a democrat than Trump?
She was a republican that changed parties because of her husband. Trump was a democrat that changed parties because of a better election chance.
It's fine to vote for someone for whatever reason one wants. But why not just say the reason instead of pretending it's something else?Â
Unlike you, I don't give two sh!ts about whether he has a "D" or an "R" behind his name.
As far as the 2000 election, get your head out of your ass. It's called the "Constitution". Bush won because we have an electoral college.
Get over it. If you want to change how we elect presidents, then vote for someone who shares your views. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I just C&P this from my FB page:
I've listened to people, including friends and relatives, prate on about how Donald Trump would make a terrible president. They recite the usual things they have been programmed to recite by the TV and print media....."he's an egomaniac, a racist, has an unpredictable volatile temperament, an islamophobe, a xenophobe, a sexist, and he's only looking out for himself." They claim he has no valuable experience and he can't possibly accomplish what he promises.
If you want proof that Donald Trump can accomplish big things, besides big buildings, let's take a look back over the past 15 months:
Donald Trump started out as a carnival act, a sideshow who stood virtually zero chance against 15 of the finest the GOP had to offer. He single handedly crushed them all, one by one, and without outside funding to speak of. He entered the GOP primary like a hurricane, and left the GOP, including the Bush family, in a shambles, to the extent that the party is scattered and is suffering from an identity crisis, the likes of which has never been seen in the history of American politics. The Obamunists were gloating as they watched the party elites crumble under the onslaught of Trump. Now, we are seeing signs that Obama and his sycophants are terrified over the increasingly real possibility that his progressive programs and legacy will be dismantled, and by legal means. Trump has fearlessly and single handedly eviscerated the liberal mainstream media, and brought attention to the fact that they are suffering from an all time high in terms of distrust, just like the establishment politicians suffer from an all time low in popularity. Our establishment politicians and their willing co-conspirators in the media are quick to tell us Trump is feared and hated by leaders across the globe.....just like when another famous "renegade"politician, Ronald Reagan, called the Soviet Union the "Evil Empire" and called upon Michail Gorbachev to "tear down this wall". The candidacy of Hillary Clinton has been fortuitous for Trump, who has seized upon this opportunity to direct attention on the corruption and fraud perpetrated on our citizens on a huge scale. A month ago the press was focused on the Trump campaign imploding and even suggested that Trump was about to bow out of the race. The only thing I see crumbling is the political establishment and their cronies in the elite media. Trump has revealed to all of us that the today's media is merely a tool....a worthless propaganda machine. Trump has done this things with a fearless, refreshingly bold tactic: exposing the truth using common sense while abandoning, even condemning, political correctness. For the first time he had the audacity to go into inner cities and black churches and paint an honest picture, posing tough questions in bold unabashed colors, rather than pastels. He pointed out how murders in the black communities continue to rise. He pointed out how drug abuse and crime is tearing at the fabric of the African-Ametican family. He pointed out the deplorable schools and crumbling inner cities. He pointed out the astronomical unemployment rate amongst blacks, to go along with the shameful rise in fatherless children. All these things while Democrats have been counting on them as a monolithic voting block every election cycle. He punctuated his point by throwing his hands out, asking, "What the hell do you have to lose?" He has boldly proclaimed that he will take drastic steps to solve an illegal immigration problem that has plagued us for decades. He wants immigration to be legal, and only legal. Trump has had the audacity to put America first. He's sick of us paying in money and blood to protect the rest of the world. He's tired of the bad deals. He wants to focus on trade, with American interest s as THE priority. Our vets receive shabby healthcare. Our citizens are divided like never before. Our cops are being gunned down and persecuted. Thugs and drug gangs are running rampant. Even God has been rejected in our schools and public places. Our healthcare system is in a shambles, thanks to Obamunism, the world is on fire, and our national debt continues its exponential rise toward virtual infinity. Because of Trump, we are being forced to confront the realities of today's world.
While Trump is willing to confront all these issues, devoid of political correctness, he has had to endure the collective wrath of MSNBC, NBC, Megyn Kelly, Racheal Maddow, Lester Holt, George Stephanopolous, ABC, CBS, CNN, the AP, HuffPo, and almost all print media. This collusion within the vast propaganda should, in fact, be proof positive that Trump is onto something, and it's HUGE.
How a single NFL football player could spark a mass movement dedicated toward disrespect toward the American flag that has trickled down to the level of high school and junior high kids should not be surprising. In fact, it should stand as a symbol of America on her knee because of disrespect from her citizens, starting with our political leaders, and continuing down to now include our children.
The term "Silent Majority" is nothing new. It goes back 50 years. Because of Trump, all flaws aside that silent majority is no longer "silent" and the liberal intelligentsia is mortified.
Trump did all this in just one year......his time, and on his dime.
Just imagine.....
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Ben Carson states why it's important to vote for Trump.
During his appearance on Friday’s Breitbart News Daily, Dr. Ben Carson said it was “not terribly surprising to see the focus on racism and divisiveness” in various issues of the day, notably law enforcement and police shootings.
“I would encourage people to read a little book, it’s not that long, called Rules for Radicals, by Saul Alinsky, and you can see how the playbook works, and what they need to do. It’s to stir up strife, and to stir up division, and discontentment, as opposed to focusing on the real issues,” he told SiriusXM host Alex Marlow.
“What you must recognize is that they’ve been working on this for decades. And they just need one more term. That’s all they need to culminate their efforts, so they can get control of the Supreme Court, and the federal court system. After they have that control, it doesn’t matter who the President is,” Carson warned.
With so much at stake, he anticipated the 2016 election would be “a real knock-down, drag-out” fight, in which “there will be no tactic that will not be used.”
Carson pointed to Detroit, where Donald Trump is scheduled to give a major interview this weekend, as a perfect example of progressive devastation.
“It was once the most prosperous city in America, and from there has gone on to become the biggest bankruptcy, after decades of progressive leadership,” he mused.
“That should tell anybody – Democrat, Republican, independent – that there’s something wrong with the course that’s been staked out on, and that you really need to stop and do something different. You know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing, and expecting a different result. We’ve got to stop being insane, and start exercising common sense,” Carson urged.
He cannot be any more right. If we don’t seize control of the Supreme Court, we will lose our country — but if we do, we can spare it for our children and grandchildren.
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Location: Being pushed over the edge, NM | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-01 8:43 AM Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court. You're not entirely wrong, but every Gary Johnson voter I know refuses to vote for Trump not because of his "temperment" but because of his statist, big government views in a lot of areas. That's not to say that I don't agree with him on some things though. He's not Hillary. I will vote Libertarian because I am a Libertarian. Regardless of who runs for the other two parties. The two party system is BS and needs to end.
I *am* from NM, and Johnson is not a true Libertarian. He was a decent Republican governor, but he has smoked a LOT of pot and his mind has slid downhill along with his policies. I fancied myself a Libertarian as well, always have, but if Johnson is the best candidate the Libertarian party could come up with, I'll gladly hold my nose and vote Trump. | |
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Location: SW New Mexico | Vanessa - 2016-10-02 9:36 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-01 8:43 AM Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court. You're not entirely wrong, but every Gary Johnson voter I know refuses to vote for Trump not because of his "temperment" but because of his statist, big government views in a lot of areas. That's not to say that I don't agree with him on some things though. He's not Hillary. I will vote Libertarian because I am a Libertarian. Regardless of who runs for the other two parties. The two party system is BS and needs to end.
I too am from NM.
I agree with Vanessa. His mind has certainly gone south since his governorship here...
too much pot!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Southtxponygirl - 2016-10-01 10:10 AM Bear - 2016-10-01 7:06 AM I'm not from New Mexico, but I am familiar with a lot of his ideas. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, but his presence on the ballot could be very impactful, just like Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot is what ended up being the crucial edge that gave the 2000 election to Bush over Gore. I don't know if he'll pull more votes away from Clinton or Trump. My guess is Trump, just like Stein will siphon off votes from Hillary. If you say you are definitely a " never Hillary voter" but still can't bring yourself to vote for Trump because of the narrative about his "temperament" and therefore cast a "protest" vote for a third party candidate, then you will be helping to hand the election to the candidate you claim you could never vote for. My recommendation is that you choose between one of the two candidates who stand a chance of winning, even if you have to cringe while you make that choice in the voting booth, because that "protest" will only be realized in your own world. Think of one thing, at the very least: Supreme Court. Yep I agree with Bear,, Just hold your nose like NJJ while you vote for Trump , if voting for another is your plain, that will give Hillary more room and that is so scary to think that she could be running our Country
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