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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | About daughters of him? I have read they are headstrong but really fast if you get them to work with you. What about success with retraining one that has had poor training, bit preferences, tendencies, weaknesses, strengths, etc. and on and on. lol! Anyone? Thanks in advance. ok - got alot of messages on facebook - seems they like almost nothing in their mouths or hackamores and are fast. That works - good info on facebook! Thanks everyone.
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Location: Montana | I rehabbed a mare several years ago.
She turned into a wonderful horse that a family with 4 kids purchased and all the kids have won with her. She will never be a 1-D horse but has won plenty of 2-D money and they have said she will never leave thier place.
However!!! I will never rehab another On The Money Red. It took several years and a lot of blood, sweat, tears and I many times wondered what in the heck I was doing!! Even feared for my life a few times when she had a temper tantrum.
She is actually the horse in the middle of my photo.
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Thanks so much - sounds like it was at least a great ending. We're so hoping this mare is able to be rehabbed - seems like she was just in the hands of someone who thought they needed lots of bit in her mouth and a tight tie down to force her to tolerate it. We're hoping in time we can fix that.
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| I have an On The Money Too (full brother to on the money red) bred gelding. Its his grandsire, so can't say much as far as your question, just wanted to say watch out for pssm type 2 with the Jet Deck lines. |
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Location: WYOMING | Ive ridden grand daughters. They are smart and easy to train but you need to be fair. They wont take much nit picking. Heard they were stubborn but ive found just the opposite... unless you drill them over and over and nit pik. They arent pushovers but get one on your side thru true teaching and youve got a nice horse. |
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| I have a grandson he is smart and tries to please, makes me feel like a horse trainer. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Well, it turns out I was wrong and she is a granddaughter, not a daughter. Alive with Money is the sire. Better work tonight with a smooth ring snaffle. Fingers crossed. Thank you so much. It's so sad when you come across nice horses that have been matched up wrong somewhere along the line. |
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| Good luck with her! I don't know that I would ever buy one. I rode one for a friend and we didn't get along. He worked when he felt like it and just acted so stupid a lot of the time. but I think he was actually smart pretending to be stupid. Not my kind of horse but obviously some people do fantastic on them. Just not me. |
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Location: Sunnyland Florida |
I've owned and barrel raced 5 daughters of On The Money Red. I now own 2 granddaughters of OTMR and love them both.
Of the 5 own daughters I owned and rode, the ones I started were awesome, but I can tell you they take Patience and Peace. You will not win if you try and "make" them do anything when they're done. Very, very stubborn (comes from the Leo side). Also, very, very sweet on the ground.
I rode most of them in a very light bit like an o-ring combination with a light rope noseband. They don't like restraint, so I never used tiedowns, draw reins, take the time and do it without quick fixes or gimmicks. Don't take them too fast too soon, they get very hot, I always take OTMR's slower than other bloodlines.
They are very quick, fast and once they trust you, they are Golden. Same run every time, great horses!! I will always have OTMR's in my barn.
Two of those 5 I owned were Rehab's. One of them was not repairable due to tie downs, brain chains, big bits and blatant abuse in the hands of someone looking to make her a futurity horse. She is now a broodmare (thank you Lord) and has a fine home, the abuse has stopped.
If you don't have a lot of patience and a lot of time, don't get an OTMR.
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Thank you for responding. We did adjust one thing last night - my daughter did take her out of the shanked typed bit the others were running her in and put the oring on her and within 45 minutes she was a different horse - The thing we DID do is put a leather noseband on her and yes, we did put a very loose tie down because I guess from old habits and lack of knowledge by the previous rider, they didn't teach her to feel the bit, just put her head up to escape any feel at all... so my daughter put on one of those tie downs with the soft rubber tie down strap that allowed her to escape and not brace into the tiedown because it stretches and then releases when she puts her nose down. Anyway - so far so good but of course none of this is at a run, only at a lope. The thing is even at a lope in the beginning she was a total basket case trying everyway she could to escape everything..head, body, neck, hips shoulders...everything went different places and she wouldn't even look at a barrel. She calmed down and got that head down around a turn withe some calm riding and it sure gave us hope that with patience and repetition she would come along and realize her best days are yet to come! lol! I just hope we can keep increasing her confidence level. Thank you for all your input. |
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| The one i bought hates restraints I've went real slow and he has came around nice. |
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Location: MD | The Alive With Money babies are usually talented enough. They got most of the OTMR qualities with some added quirks from El Rey Burner. The mares tend to be more reactive than the geldings. I've had quite a few of them. They all had a wide variety of idiosyncrasies, but I've never met one who wasn't willing to work with you, so long as you gave them proper respect. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Thanks for more insight Wrapnsnap. We are going to start riding her again next week. We normally ride geldings but have been fortunate to have owned a couple of nice mares and only sold them because they kept the geldings riled up lol. What we really do appreciate so far about this mare is that we haven't heard a single squeal in the horse pens. :-). This mare is out of a thoroughbred mare and so we did expect some extra sensitivity because of that too. :-). She has such nice thick/ short canon bones and so far has been so patient standing on the trailer... But again, that may change at a race setting. I think the drastic change was with her seeming to appreciate consistent timing and foot placement. It seems like maybe she was used to having someone unbalanced with cues all over the place. That too made us hopeful. We have no idea if she can handle this with speed, if she can click but we'll try to get her enjoying something predictable before we take that step. Do you have time to offer the type of riding you felt benefitted them the most? Where did you find they needed the most help? Would love your input. Thanks so much.
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Location: MD | I have had their personalities run the gamut. The first one I had was about the most talented animal I have ever sat on. Very simple to start, very light and responsive. She was very insecure. The issue with that one was that she would turn into a flat out bronc if you pushed on her when she felt overwhelmed. I just had to allow her to take a moment to slow down and be comfortable.
When I first started hauling her to exhibition, she was high loping a nice set at home. The first two times I took her to town, she froze up pretty big and would only trot through. By her 8th or 9th trip, she was clocking .3 off of very nice company. That mare's full sister had been rushed through everything and when she came to me, the minute you Sat on her, she just wanted to run off. For that mare, I spent a lot of time moving forward for short periods and then stopping and attempting to stand.
I had another who was very reluctant to move out. One of the laziest suckers I have ever set on! As soon as I had a solid go forward and stop response, I went out to the fields with her. I spent a couple of months just working on getting her engaged, balanced and soft. She was probably one of the easiest horses I have ever started on the pattern. Went to her first exhibition, clocked well and never looked back.
One thing that all of these horses had in common is that they tend to be a bit heavy up front. Some are a bit on the forehand naturally, but even those who are built uphill can be a bit heavy. I have found that they all require some work to become soft, supple and balanced. None of them have ever required much bridle. I've had them run in Little S hacks, chain mouth o rings. I did once try to put more bridle on the one who came to me wanting to run off, but that was not the correct answer. |
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Location: Montana | I will agree 100% about them not liking a lot of constraints. I could tell when I got my mare in that she had been rammed and jammed and ran with a lot of headgear hanging off her. When she came in I could trot her to a barrel and the closer to that barrel the more wacked out she would get. She was a basket case. In the end after several years she was always happiest with no tie down and very little bit. Best of luck. They work their heart out for you if they can trust you. Ever break the trust and it gets ugly! |
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Not Afraid to Work
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| Yep the one we ran did best in an o-ring or a s hack w/leather nose band. You didn't kick him or he would go slower. |
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| I had an on the money red and dash for cash gelding he was the laziest horse I have ever had since I was a kid! lol! |
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| How did you ride them to keep them off the front end,i constantly work to keep mines shoulders elevated, if i get over him turning he dumps on the front end I've been working on staying in the middle in my turns he seems to not want his face touched in the turns and to be guided into the turn looking deep up in the hole if I sit in my turn he will rate himself, I've been working on my core strength and horsemanship i think he will be easy if i stay out of his way. He doesn't. Like tiedowns he doesn't get mean just gets stiff and not free. Thanks for the post I've learned a lot. |
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I have a grand daughter that I've owned for 4 1/2 years. We have our ups and downs but overall she is a really nice horse. She is ridiculously athletic but sometimes she has a mental block (as does her rider) and we dont always put together the smoothest runs. That being said, over the years she has made some jam up runs and has clocked with the best of them. She is definitely quirky but she has alot between her ears. She has never done anything silly and I trust her immensely. OTMR horses are not for everyone but if you can get them to lock onto you, you are golden. Good luck!
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