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Location: USA | I'm sorry for the broken record, but I am at a loss.
Long story short, treated my horse with Ulcergard this last spring and got about three months of good runs. I then did 30 days of THE gastro plus and then moved him to a scoop the day before, day of, and day after. I have felt that he has slowly started declining, and now is back to refusing to turn the first barrel again, Very irritated, and just not a happy horse. I am guessing he has relapsed, and wondering where I go from here? Do I do another full round of gastogard? I read an article where they are seeing the same results with a 1/4 dose for 28 days, has anyone had experience with this? I also thought about CurOst, but do I treat him with gastro gard first? This is a 1-d horse when he is right, but right now I am just so frustrated. Thought about just turning him out on pasture for the winter, but will ulcers heal on their own? Just needing some ideas and someone with experience. I want to do the best I can, but just not sure what that is. |
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 Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | If the GastroPlus seemed to help him, I would just keep him on it everyday and maybe add a 1/4 dose of Ulcerguard the day before, during and after a haul. |
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Location: MN | DAC has a new product for ulcers that has been proven to treat and prevent ulcers called Cool Gut. It is very resonably priced as well. It would be something to try at least if you plan on turning him out for a while. Buying Ulcerguard and Gastroguard is and can be so expensive. If youd like to PM me your email address i can forward you the before and afters of vets who scoped horses that I got from a DAC dealer. |
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| My horses were in the trial for the 1/4 dose of gastroguard and they showed no improvement or were worse. I do not know if we received the drug or placebo so I can't help you there.
I would do the whole tube route just to be sure |
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I just read the headlines
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| I treated my ulcer horse with the Cur Ost Stomach and Adapt only and it worked. Talk to Dr. Tom on secondvet.com or email via nouvelle research.com |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | I've been really happy with the Excel by DePaulo equine for both of my ulcer horses. I feel like I'm getting more bang for my buck than I have with other ulcer control supplements. I've been veryhappy with my results. |
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| I would treat the ulcers again, 1/2 a tube daily for 3 weeks had worked for me then I would try to see what is causing them. Because of ulcers and colic I took mine off grain 5 years ago and have had zero problems (the one I recently treated was stalled st a trainers for 3 months). Grain was the first thing mine refused, a major irritant so I though why continue to feed it?? There are great concentrated feeds that only require a cup or two per day to get the nutrients they need and forage is the main component of their diet. I give mine 1/4 dose when hauling. I feed renew gold, alfalfa and 1/2 scoop of oats. |
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The Advice Guru
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| I would treat with the gastro guard for a full month, then I would try equisure.
I was speaking with Randa who is on the board, she said it has been shown to treat ulcers. 2 horses were going to be euthanized they treated with equisure daily and scoped daily. Both showed signs of healing by day 7.
She says it coats the gut including the intestines, it doesn't prevent Hcl secretion, doesn't have any effect on medication absorbency. It can be given daily without long term effects, horses can't overdose.
This was developed by a vet for an alternative to omeprazole.
I haven't tried it, but am interested trying it on my one who is a chronic abscesser who is on bute daily.
I guess they have a booth at the nfr, but not sure which convention centre. |
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Location: USA | I feed him grass and alfalfa with a pound of renew gold at night. He is turned out on pasture as much as possible.
I did try equisure just before I would get on at a barrel race, but maybe that wasn't enough. How much do you give daily?
There are so many different products, I'm just so overwhelmed right now. I was pretty sure I was going to try CurOst, but now....... |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | I don't believe a horse with ulcers alone, would refuse to turn ONE barrel. Have you had a full soundess exam done, I mean a very comprehensive interior-view exam. I'd be inclinded to think he's hurting in that turn vs. ulcers creating the problems at one barrel. |
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Location: Deep South | I think you need to treat one more time then put him on a daily preventative.
The number of options are overwhelming, but that's just because, with the exception of GastroGard, no one thing works for every single horse.
Options that I have used or have personally seen the results of in horses that I know:
OE Nuetra Solution for treatment, Maintain for daily maintenance.
MVP GastroPlex pellets for daily maintenance, and they have a paste you can give for extra protection on days you are hauling/running.
CurOst Stomach Adapt and Calm
OxyUlcer
Finish Line U7 Gastric Aid- available in a daily supplement and a paste
And of course GastroGard and UlcerGard
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Location: North Dakota | I just dealt with my first bout of ulcers. I immediately got ulcergard and was planning to do 2 full weeks of 1 tube per day, after 5 days on ulcergard my mare actually got worse and wouldn't eat a single thing. She developed terrible diarrhea and wasn't drinking well at all. After another visit with my vet and getting some fluids in her. I decided to switch directions and ordered Cur-OST Stomach formula. I dosed her the night I got it, I mixed 2 scoops with some water and put it in a syringe(pain in the butt but worth it) by the next morning she was more perky and I dosed her again that morning the same way. By noon that day she had cleaned up every speck of food she had in front of her. That is less than 24 hours and my horse was eating again! This was a horse that hadn't cleaned up more than 50% of her meals in almost a month, some days not eating at all. She has been on the mend ever since starting the Stomach formula. She has also been started back on Total support and Immune.
I had her on Cur-OST Total support and Immune for her COPD from December 2015-August 2016, I had to take her off due to some bills I needed to pay and couldn't afford it. Within a month of her being off of Cur-OST she went downhill including a resp infecton, colic, dehydration, ulcers and the diarrhea...all of that leading to low total protein in her blood work.. it was a mess. I hope I never have to be without it again as I know how badly this particular horse needs it. |
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Location: IL | You are going to have to give a daily stomach supplement, not just when traveling and competing. Also make sure there isn't a soundness issue. If the horse is huting somewhere ulcers will just keep reoccurring from the anxiety from the pain. I give my horses Depaolo products. The digestive supplement is called Exel. I think it afforadable and it works. I will never go without it again. I tried Gastroplex, THE gastroplus, and Curost. I was at my wits end. None of these products gave me the results Exel did. I also use slow feed hay nets and no grain. I give alfalfa pellets just to get supplements in. I also make sure not soreness problems. Good Luck |
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  Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | We have a new product for you that may be more cost effective for you other than GastroPLUS. GI Ulcer Support. 80 scoops is $80 and I offer free shipping. |
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Extreme Veteran
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Location: USA | I did have a lameness exam done. Right hock showed smaller joint space than the left, so we injected. That was all the vet had found and said I would have a new horse.
Unfortunately, there was no improvement. That's when I treated him with 28 days of Ulcergard. Got about 6 or 7 great runs then slowly started declining again. Maybe I needed to be more aggressive with my maintence.
He is only 6 and hasn't been run much at all.
He did come down with pneumonia his futurity year and just has never been right since. Not sure if all this is tied together, there really aren't any really good performance vets in our area, so maybe I need to take a road trip. |
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 The Bling Princess
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Location: North Dakota | Tilt The Kilt - 2016-11-07 8:25 AM I don't believe a horse with ulcers alone, would refuse to turn ONE barrel. Have you had a full soundess exam done, I mean a very comprehensive interior-view exam. I'd be inclinded to think he's hurting in that turn vs. ulcers creating the problems at one barrel.
Yes, it happens because it happened to me and its happened to two other of my friends. My horse wouldn't turn to the right. We would approach the turn and he'd get stiff as a board and want to run up the fence. I put a single barrel in the middle of my pen and he'd still do it. I treated him for ulcers and he quit the behavior in about a week. |
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The Bling Princess
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Location: North Dakota | Oakley - 2016-11-07 9:30 AM I did have a lameness exam done. Right hock showed smaller joint space than the left, so we injected. That was all the vet had found and said I would have a new horse.
Unfortunately, there was no improvement. That's when I treated him with 28 days of Ulcergard. Got about 6 or 7 great runs then slowly started declining again. Maybe I needed to be more aggressive with my maintence.
He is only 6 and hasn't been run much at all.
He did come down with pneumonia his futurity year and just has never been right since. Not sure if all this is tied together, there really aren't any really good performance vets in our area, so maybe I need to take a road trip.
I treated my guy with a half a tube of Ulcergard for 21 days, along with 10 cc of Equisure daily during that period of time as well. I also put him on Dr. Depaulos Excel for his gut (mixed with alfalfa pellets and his Platinum CJ) and it made a TREMENDOUS difference. In the past I've just treated with half a tube of Ulcergard and had great results, but nothing like what I got from the three of these products together. |
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| Equisure is amazing!! I don't get the rebound ulcers with it like I do after stopping omeprazole, and it's great for their overall health, feed utilization, stimulating appetite and water intake, weather changes and other stress, and digestion. I do have some extra on hand, PM me if you want more information. |
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| I would say soundness exam and then treat ulcers again and then maintain it daily... He is probably hurting somewhere which is then causing stress to flare up ulcers again.
Most likely keep him on something daily not just when hauling.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I have no advice for you but I am sending hugs. I am in the same boat. Just can't seem to get the maintenece part down... My boy relapses every time the weather changes It seems. |
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