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| So I've owned my mare a good 8mos now, absolutely love running her and riding her in general. She's only 6, has not had her legs ran off her, and I'm no 1D rider by any means. Anyhow, I noticed this summer she's got allergies and every once in awhile will cough after I run. Yes I know you don't need to SEE blood to mean they are bleeding. However I tried an herb approach along with Equipulmin too, I did this to avoid using Lasix.
She runs a nice pattern, but doesn't have that fire or the run in her like she should have. I've treated her for Ulcers this summer, keep her on a preventative along with Renew Gold, she's been vetted, and chiro and nothing ever shows up as a red flag.
What would you do? If I started to give her lasix and do a trial and error thing, I'm only comfortable doing this in the muscle, so how many hours out is practical before I run? I also just started to get a slight hesitation in the alley ways these past 2mos, she doesn't refuse, but she doesn't go as willingly as when I bought her. So I'm wanting to try lasix this weekend, but was thinking only 3ccs for starters? Just not sure how far out she needs to have it in her system. Thanks for any advice! |
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| Or would a person try Ventipulmin or Albuterol? Just thinking... |
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| Ulcers will also cause one to not fire. I would try Aloe Vera Juice 30 cc's twice a day. Coughing after a run can be a sign of bleeding. Try Wind by OE Nutraceuticals. It's a paste and you give about a hour before a run. |
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| I guess I don't understand not scoping after a horse coming off a run coughing. Getting a scope and a BAL after running would answer your question. Flapper issues can also be what is causing the problem, for that you need to scope.
I don't think that giving Lasix without confirming an issue is a good idea.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I agree you need to have her scoped before trying Lasix. Sometimes they get a lung infection if they have been bleeding and will need a couple months off and antibiotics. It is better to get her scoped if possible right after a run. |
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Location: Wisconsin | What's the next best approach if a person is unable to get a horse scoped right after a run? Its basically impossible on a Sat or Sun to get a horse to a vet after a competition run here. Is it a waste of money to schedule a scope on a Mon morning if that horse ran Sun afternoon? |
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| painthorse7796 - 2016-11-10 9:28 AM
What's the next best approach if a person is unable to get a horse scoped right after a run? Its basically impossible on a Sat or Sun to get a horse to a vet after a competition run here. Is it a waste of money to schedule a scope on a Mon morning if that horse ran Sun afternoon?
Nope! My mare bled silently (without bleeding out the nose) on a Saturday morning, and there was still blood in her trachea on Monday late. A BAL can also be done to find blood cells. I always ask for a BAL even if there's blood in the trachea, to make sure that there's not an infection going on in there. If there's not blood in the trachea, then I do a BAL, because sometimes the BAL will come up bloody without a blood trachea. So, lol, a BAL either way if I think the horse bled.
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Location: Deep South | classicpotatochip - 2016-11-10 7:22 AM
I guess I don't understand not scoping after a horse coming off a run coughing. Getting a scope and a BAL after running would answer your question. Flapper issues can also be what is causing the problem, for that you need to scope.
I don't think that giving Lasix without confirming an issue is a good idea.
This. Exactly.
I would NEVER give Lasix to a horse that wasn't a confirmed bleeder by a vet with a scope. If the vet can't see you soon enough after a weekend run, then make a midweek run the day-of/day-before your appointment. |
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| This sounds EXACTLY like my mare before I found out she was bleeding. She had the same red flags as you and I just kind of "knew" and took the same protocols (supplements, etc) before I knew for sure. Then she bled out once.
I did not have a vet anywhere near me that could scope, but my good lameness vet suggested I try Lasix (before I was able to scope). He did not think it was a big deal and that it wouldn't hurt her. I have since scoped, and added Ventipulmin. She didn't seem to fire on Lasix either, but I did notice a difference with the Ventipulmin.
It's a frustrating thing that you will just have to play with what works best for your horse- they all seem to have a different magic dosage and timing. Good luck! |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Another thought--have the vet pull some blood and do a CBC. My good open/derby mare quit firing a couple years ago and I couldn't figure it out. She looked amazing & was making nice runs. Just wasn't firing like she could.
I had the bloodwork run and she ended up being anemic. A worm load can cause them to be anemic, so can ulcers. My mare's fecal was clean but I did put her on Gastroguard for a month in case it was ulcers. In addition to the ulcer treatment, we did a vitamin jug, and I put her on a blood builder. Worked for her, she started firing and winning again. |
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Location: WI | Try to diagnose the problem. I don't think giving it will hurt, but that is a lot of extra work for a problem that may or may not exist. |
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| I should have mentioned, back in August I did a BAL on her, it was mid week hauled her in. She had mucus buildup in throat, not signs of blood or a flapper issue according to this vet. So that's when I decided to try Collidial Silver and Equipulmin. It did help, however, it seems not every run. I also did a CBC blood test and sent that into Total Health Enhancement and her readings all looked great there too.
Would a person try and double paste her this weekend before I run for ulcers? I'm not able to get her in to get scoped right after a run this next week. Thanks for all the suggestions people! |
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| Wild1 - 2016-11-10 6:22 PM
I should have mentioned, back in August I did a BAL on her, it was mid week hauled her in. She had mucus buildup in throat, not signs of blood or a flapper issue according to this vet. So that's when I decided to try Collidial Silver and Equipulmin. It did help, however, it seems not every run. I also did a CBC blood test and sent that into Total Health Enhancement and her readings all looked great there too.
Would a person try and double paste her this weekend before I run for ulcers? I'm not able to get her in to get scoped right after a run this next week. Thanks for all the suggestions people!
Okay great! Don't double paste, but Gastrogard or Ulcergard are both very effective, and take only a few hours to start taking effect. For mild ulcers or an aching belly, I've had okay luck with the Forth Worth compounded omeprazole. For emergency situations, or to see if you're battling ulcers, give 80 ccs of Maalox about an hour out. (Just for the record, that stuff will bleach your jeans out if you get it on you. True story.)
I'm think Ventipulmin and maybe just some good old Dex? Rather than the Lasix? Lasix just dehydrates them and effectively drops their blood pressure to stop their capillaries from bursting in a run, so unless I've got an actual bleeder, I wouldn't run mine on it. |
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