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Location: IL | I have the chance to go to a barrel racing clinic put on by Dena Kirkpatrick. I would like everyone's thoughts on her clinics. I have gone to a Martha Josey clinic in the past and it was nice, but way to many people. I want more one on one time and a better way of understanding on how to do things. I don't know Dena's method really, I've just briefy seen things on youtube and razors edge.
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Location: Somewhere across the SABINE | I have been to Joseys and agree with you. I bought Denas dvd set and I would totally go to one of her clinics. I *think* she puts a max number of students so she can work individually, I called her a few years ago to get a clinic together and never had enough intrest where I live. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Woodys Mama - 2017-01-04 3:05 PM I have been to Joseys and agree with you. I bought Denas dvd set and I would totally go to one of her clinics. I *think* she puts a max number of students so she can work individually, I called her a few years ago to get a clinic together and never had enough intrest where I live.
This!! I love her DVD's and would go to her clinic if I had a chance. |
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| I have audited her entire clinic, she is VERY knowledgeable on the bloodlines of a horse and she bases your drill work off of that. If you have a grade horse or a off-bred type with not familiar bloodlines she will give you the brush off because she wont know how to work that horse because she doesn't know their bloodlines. She will help you but she does not go as in depth as she does with the other clinic participants. Overall it seemed that the people in the clinic enjoyed her and they learned a lot. The people in our area are almost 50/50 on the clinics half of them cannot wait to attend another and the other half will never attend again. |
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| EmtRoper - 2017-01-04 4:36 PM
I have audited her entire clinic, she is VERY knowledgeable on the bloodlines of a horse and she bases your drill work off of that. If you have a grade horse or a off-bred type with not familiar bloodlines she will give you the brush off because she wont know how to work that horse because she doesn't know their bloodlines. She will help you but she does not go as in depth as she does with the other clinic participants. Overall it seemed that the people in the clinic enjoyed her and they learned a lot. The people in our area are almost 50/50 on the clinics half of them cannot wait to attend another and the other half will never attend again.
Funny you brought this up, I was told the exact same thing!!! And the horse I was debating on taking isn't the fashion lines right now, so I'm unsure too, she's coming to WI in April and I need to make my mind up like soon, uggg |
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| In reference to my reply, cause if I'm spending $650 for 2 full days at a clinic I sure the heck would want the same amount of attention and help as the other 11 or 12 riders |
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| If you have a chance, I would suggest watching her DVD's or more youtube videos so that you have a good idea of her methods, because that is mainly what you will be doing in her clinic. I went to one 4 or 5 years ago and was a bit dissapointed. I would go again if it were cheaper and if I had a colt to take. But I would not take a finished or seasoned horse. I went with one and I was wanting help with specific problems we were having, so I was hoping for some different drills or problem solving tips. But with her, it seemed like her method of working barrels was suppose to fix any problem. Regardless of what was happening on the pattern, her method was the solution to everything. She did go over some dry work and different things, but everything could be seen on her DVD's. |
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| Wild1 - 2017-01-05 7:32 AM
EmtRoper - 2017-01-04 4:36 PM
I have audited her entire clinic, she is VERY knowledgeable on the bloodlines of a horse and she bases your drill work off of that. If you have a grade horse or a off-bred type with not familiar bloodlines she will give you the brush off because she wont know how to work that horse because she doesn't know their bloodlines. She will help you but she does not go as in depth as she does with the other clinic participants. Overall it seemed that the people in the clinic enjoyed her and they learned a lot. The people in our area are almost 50/50 on the clinics half of them cannot wait to attend another and the other half will never attend again.
Funny you brought this up, I was told the exact same thing!!! And the horse I was debating on taking isn't the fashion lines right now, so I'm unsure too, she's coming to WI in April and I need to make my mind up like soon, uggg
If that's indeed the truth I would skip or just go and audit.
That concept puts a sour taste in my mouth. Obviously some lines need different approaches than others based on style or mental stability - and being able to help with that aspect is excellent.
Not being able/willing to apply your method to the grade horse someone brought after they saved their pennies and ate ramen to come because they admire you as a professional is insulting.
Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong, but that's my face value feeling on it. |
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Location: IL | Wild1 - 2017-01-05 7:32 AM EmtRoper - 2017-01-04 4:36 PM I have audited her entire clinic, she is VERY knowledgeable on the bloodlines of a horse and she bases your drill work off of that. If you have a grade horse or a off-bred type with not familiar bloodlines she will give you the brush off because she wont know how to work that horse because she doesn't know their bloodlines. She will help you but she does not go as in depth as she does with the other clinic participants. Overall it seemed that the people in the clinic enjoyed her and they learned a lot. The people in our area are almost 50/50 on the clinics half of them cannot wait to attend another and the other half will never attend again. Funny you brought this up, I was told the exact same thing!!! And the horse I was debating on taking isn't the fashion lines right now, so I'm unsure too, she's coming to WI in April and I need to make my mind up like soon, uggg
This is the clinic that I'm referring to. I have a mare that is not brand name bloodlines, she's foundation bred. I'm having problems with my 2nd barrel and looking for help to correct this. I hope that she doesn't just pick the horses with the big breeding and help them. I will be very disappointed. I also know that the problems with my 2nd barrel are my problems, not my horse. My mare is 7 and not completely finished. I do have a gelding that is finished, but I feel I might get more out of he clinic on my younger mare. Not everyone can afford big named horses and breeding. I did all the breaking and training myself and I really think my mare is a nice horse. Last year was my first year asking for speed and we ended up making the short go in my NBHA IL state show and she placed 3rd in the 3D against tough competition. I really hope I'm not dissappointed.  |
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| merdth6 - 2017-01-05 9:36 AM
Wild1 - 2017-01-05 7:32 AM EmtRoper - 2017-01-04 4:36 PM I have audited her entire clinic, she is VERY knowledgeable on the bloodlines of a horse and she bases your drill work off of that. If you have a grade horse or a off-bred type with not familiar bloodlines she will give you the brush off because she wont know how to work that horse because she doesn't know their bloodlines. She will help you but she does not go as in depth as she does with the other clinic participants. Overall it seemed that the people in the clinic enjoyed her and they learned a lot. The people in our area are almost 50/50 on the clinics half of them cannot wait to attend another and the other half will never attend again. Funny you brought this up, I was told the exact same thing!!! And the horse I was debating on taking isn't the fashion lines right now, so I'm unsure too, she's coming to WI in April and I need to make my mind up like soon, uggg
I've never been to one of Dena's clinics, so I can't speak to what's included at hers.
I will say if you feel the issues are arising more from your riding, I think you'd benefit tremendously from a Jane Melby clinic. Jane does a great job helping correct training/horse issues as well, but I was really impressed at how much she helped me as a jockey. Night and day difference. She doesn't get stuck on bloodlines - my gelding is grade and I felt like I got the same attention as anyone else there. I've audited one of her clinics and ridden at one. Both times there were people with 2 horses there, and they were able to work with both horses throughout the clinic. There was a good range of experience levels in both riders and horses, so I picked up a lot of knowledge for future reference as well. She usually brings some horses for sale with her. My gelding hit a point one day where he just couldn't handle any more mentally. She let me ride one of her horses for a bit to keep working on my own skills and practicing that muscle memory. I was really impressed with both clinics, and the only reason I didn't go back last spring is because my bridal shower was the same weekend as the closest one! |
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Location: IL | k.maddocks24 - 2017-01-05 10:15 AM merdth6 - 2017-01-05 9:36 AM Wild1 - 2017-01-05 7:32 AM EmtRoper - 2017-01-04 4:36 PM I have audited her entire clinic, she is VERY knowledgeable on the bloodlines of a horse and she bases your drill work off of that. If you have a grade horse or a off-bred type with not familiar bloodlines she will give you the brush off because she wont know how to work that horse because she doesn't know their bloodlines. She will help you but she does not go as in depth as she does with the other clinic participants. Overall it seemed that the people in the clinic enjoyed her and they learned a lot. The people in our area are almost 50/50 on the clinics half of them cannot wait to attend another and the other half will never attend again. Funny you brought this up, I was told the exact same thing!!! And the horse I was debating on taking isn't the fashion lines right now, so I'm unsure too, she's coming to WI in April and I need to make my mind up like soon, uggg I've never been to one of Dena's clinics, so I can't speak to what's included at hers. I will say if you feel the issues are arising more from your riding, I think you'd benefit tremendously from a Jane Melby clinic. Jane does a great job helping correct training/horse issues as well, but I was really impressed at how much she helped me as a jockey. Night and day difference. She doesn't get stuck on bloodlines - my gelding is grade and I felt like I got the same attention as anyone else there. I've audited one of her clinics and ridden at one. Both times there were people with 2 horses there, and they were able to work with both horses throughout the clinic. There was a good range of experience levels in both riders and horses, so I picked up a lot of knowledge for future reference as well. She usually brings some horses for sale with her. My gelding hit a point one day where he just couldn't handle any more mentally. She let me ride one of her horses for a bit to keep working on my own skills and practicing that muscle memory. I was really impressed with both clinics, and the only reason I didn't go back last spring is because my bridal shower was the same weekend as the closest one!
edited to say I just noticed she will be hosting a clinic during the horse fair here in IL in March!! I will look into that!
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| To the original poster, I just found out Jane will most likely be hosting a clinic in central WI in May!! A friend told me before Christmas, but I don't think it's listed on her website yet...I want to think it's the 2nd or 3rd wknd in May, in a big sandy pen |
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Location: Alberta | I found Dena to be great and treated everyone the exact same regardless of their horses pedigree, I didn't have a "well bred" horse or a lot of knowledge.
Dena is blunt and I respect that, I had no knowledge of her method prior to going and I found it a simple idea to catch onto. I followed what she told me to do following the clinic and my first jackpot back I won it...and I had not even been CLOSE to winning jackpots prior.
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| I attended one of her clinics and was very disappointed. Not so much as to what she taught but the manner in which she taught it. I felt like she could have invested more time in each participant and done so in a much more professional manner. |
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| dream_chaser - 2017-01-07 12:15 PM
I found Dena to be great and treated everyone the exact same regardless of their horses pedigree, I didn't have a "well bred" horse or a lot of knowledge.
Dena is blunt and I respect that, I had no knowledge of her method prior to going and I found it a simple idea to catch onto. I followed what she told me to do following the clinic and my first jackpot back I won it...and I had not even been CLOSE to winning jackpots prior.
You were lucky.
I had the same experience as others, she worked twice as much or hard with the dash ta fames in comparison to the no name horses.
Also at the beginning of the clinic the agenda is to watch part of the video. She specifically stated we weren't going to watch it, as if we haven't seen the video yet, we won't ever watch it. |
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| I agree with other posters. I felt that Dena was partial to younger or futurity prospects, not necessarily seasoned horses or people wanting help with specific problems. I also felt that her delivery wasnt for me. I totally loved Uncle Ed (rip) and it will be hard to find a clinician to follow him. |
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| It's fine if you don't plan on spending a lot of one on one time to work your horse for the price. I liked her, but liked a lot of other clinics better. I said the same thing to my friends who went the next year, and they were disappointed. |
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| Go and tell her your horse is "brand name" pedigree. Lol like when I was younger my mom would sew brand name labels on my cheap goodwill jeans.  |
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| I'mlost - 2017-01-07 9:07 PM
Go and tell her your horse is "brand name" pedigree. Lol like when I was younger my mom would sew brand name labels on my cheap goodwill jeans.
Still trying to decide, but have a very hard time justifying $650 for 2 days if it's what pple are telling me. Stinks living in the midwest, we don't get many clinicians up here! |
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Location: Wisconsin | I have been to two and will be attending a 3rd all at the Wisconsin facility that she is returning to this spring. I have taken two different horses, neither one had Dash Ta Fame breeding. I got just as much attention as everyone else. I am one to attend clinics with an open mind and I watch everyone else go. There is something to be learned watching every single horse go. What I like is that she doesn't cookie cut them. She tries to work with that horses style.
After the first clinic I e-mailed her with questions and she sent me her personal number, Dena talked to me on the phone for an hour trouble shooting with me. That horse was cow bred top and bottom.
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