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Location: Bastrop, Texas | How many of you have heard of it? Is it a problem? Do some barrel racers use it on their horses? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Yep heard of it and its a BIG no no for race horses, why do you ask? 
Edit to add its illegal to use in any horse sport world.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Is it a "big no no" in barrel racing?
Is it being used by some cheaters? Is it even cheating?
Is it being kept "hush hush"? If so why?
I'm just trying to get an idea about the level of knowledge on this topic. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2017-01-16 10:50 AM Is it a "big no no" in barrel racing? Is it being used by some cheaters? Is it even cheating? Is it being kept "hush hush"? If so why? I'm just trying to get an idea about the level of knowledge on this topic.
Humm I'm going to google it, lol.. But my thoughts would a illegal drug be that easy to buy and shooting up any type of horse would be illegal and cheating I would think,, ok off to google I go to see if any thing comes up..  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2017-01-16 11:01 AM
Bear - 2017-01-16 10:50 AM Is it a "big no no" in barrel racing? Is it being used by some cheaters? Is it even cheating? Is it being kept "hush hush"? If so why? I'm just trying to get an idea about the level of knowledge on this topic.
Humm I'm going to google it, lol.. But my thoughts would a illegal drug be that easy to buy and shooting up any type of horse would be illegal and cheating I would think,, ok off to google I go to see if any thing comes up..
Exactly. I don't think many people know much about it, other than there seems to be an unwritten rule that makes it taboo to bring it up. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | "Frog Juice" is the street name for Dermorphin. Here are some FACTS about Dermorphin:
1.) It was first isolated from the skin of a frog in South America.
2.) It is an addictive, illegal narcotic, very closely related to Heroin and Morphine.
3.) It has not been approved by the FDA for any medical use whatsoever.
4.) It has been illegally used in the TB and QH industry for decades.
5.) It wasn't detectable in drug testing, until 2012, when a test was developed for drug testing.
6.) It is 30-40 times more potent than Morphine and Heroin.
7.) It is synthesized fairly easily. Frogs are no longer necessary.
8.) It is a powerful pain reliever that produces profound euphoria. Horses run through pain.....gleefully.
9.) While opiates generally have a slowing effect on locomotor activity in humans and animals, Dermorphin ("Frog Juice") has a paradoxical INCREASED locomotor activity...ie: they run faster!
10.) Frog Juice (Dermorphin) is a cheater's wet dream. It's a perfect drug for a barrel racer who is willing to cheat to win. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2017-01-16 11:10 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-01-16 11:01 AM Bear - 2017-01-16 10:50 AM Is it a "big no no" in barrel racing? Is it being used by some cheaters? Is it even cheating? Is it being kept "hush hush"? If so why? I'm just trying to get an idea about the level of knowledge on this topic. Humm I'm going to google it, lol.. But my thoughts would a illegal drug be that easy to buy and shooting up any type of horse would be illegal and cheating I would think,, ok off to google I go to see if any thing comes up.. Exactly. I don't think many people know much about it, other than there seems to be an unwritten rule that makes it taboo to bring it up.
Havent done any googling yet, but this is a interesting topic if it is in the Barrel racing world..Would love to hear what others have to say about the use of this drug..And your right I dont know much about it at all, all I know is its a illegal drug that some race horse trainers used and got busted for { now, I did say some NOT all trainers}  |
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| I do not know a great deal about it but saw trainers using it when we raced. I also watched some of those horses snap legs off and keep running it was terrible! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | http://www.frogjuice.org/index.html |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I've only heard about it on the track side. Have yet to hear or know of anyone using it for barrels... Very interesting can of worms you opened there Bear. Curious to hear other responses.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here is an assortment of cases involving Frog Juice. QH trainers included. Imagine if a person could get their hands on some of this stuff.
http://www.paulickreport.com/tag/Frog-Juice/ |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 11:28 AM
I've only heard about it on the track side. Have yet to hear or know of anyone using it for barrels... Very interesting can of worms you opened there Bear. Curious to hear other responses.
I first heard of "Frog Juice" several years ago when I lived in Minnesota. The remark was something like "So and so will use anything to win.....she uses that Frog Juice". I didn't think much of it at the time, probably because I assumed it was just another supplement.
It sounds like the perfect designer drug for cheaters. Kills pain, creates euphoria, makes them run faster. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 11:28 AM
I've only heard about it on the track side. Have yet to hear or know of anyone using it for barrels... Very interesting can of worms you opened there Bear. Curious to hear other responses.
What makes it a "can of worms"? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2017-01-16 11:35 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 11:28 AM I've only heard about it on the track side. Have yet to hear or know of anyone using it for barrels... Very interesting can of worms you opened there Bear. Curious to hear other responses. I first heard of "Frog Juice" several years ago when I lived in Minnesota. The remark was something like "So and so will use anything to win.....she uses that Frog Juice". I didn't think much of it at the time, probably because I assumed it was just another supplement. It sounds like the perfect designer drug for cheaters. Kills pain, creates euphoria, makes them run faster.
The only thing I thought of when I read your thread title was "Toad Juice." It's an antimicrobial and antifungal cleansing spray LOL
Never heard of Frog Juice tho. Makes me wonder how many times I've lost to Frog Juice |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Most barrel racers I know use calmatives. Not something to make them run faster. Racehorses don't have to turn 3 barrels. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2017-01-16 11:36 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 11:28 AM I've only heard about it on the track side. Have yet to hear or know of anyone using it for barrels... Very interesting can of worms you opened there Bear. Curious to hear other responses. What makes it a "can of worms"?
I didn't mean it in a bad way. You implied it was taboo to talk about. A contraversial topic if you will. Wrong use of wording. Sorry Bear!  |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Nevertooold - 2017-01-16 11:49 AM
Most barrel racers I know use calmatives. Not something to make them run faster. Racehorses don't have to turn 3 barrels.
Go to some of the big futurities and it will make u wonder! I've heard of many different kinds of drugs including that one that has been given to horses running for a lot of money! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2017-01-16 11:49 AM
Most barrel racers I know use calmatives. Not something to make them run faster. Racehorses don't have to turn 3 barrels.
Frog juice is more than a "calmative". |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here.....I guess you can order the stuff:
http://www.abbiotec.com/peptides/dermorphin
Here's another site:
http://www.phoenixpeptide.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&pro...
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I wonder how they can sell this stuff if its never been approved for medical use in animals and human and its 30-40 times more potent then morphine Wow.. Could this stuff cause heart attacts while in use? What a high risk to be using.. And I thought this was a illegal drug and its being sold over the internet?!!! Interesting for sure |
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