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| Okay yall, ived literally 360'ed my feeding program and now i need help! i feel like im gonna strave my horses!
all the horses have pasture and round bale
Editing to just start from strach.. again.
half pound of feed AM/PM
pound and a half of renew gold
pound of whole oats
adding my suppliments ect in
apprently my 360 wasnt a 360 a all
So someone please explain to me how i can sub some feed for the RG?
I dont see how people are just feeding RG and nothing else! Im currently reading thorugh all the threads on RG getting info but thought id post my situation also.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | if you 360'd you are doing the same thing you were before you spun. |
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| You 180'd which would be the complete opposite direction 
Add a probiotic and you will see a difference. |
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Location: Georgia | LOL to the first comment.
I feed my open gelding just 1lb renew gold twice a day if being worked hard and once a day if light work. He gets free choice grass hay and 1 big flake alfalfa at night. He is turned out mostly 24/7 but we hardly have any grass. He looks great.
Now my growing 3 y/o gets the same but I am about to add something to her diet to beef her up a bit and just feed RG as a supplement
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| i just edited the thread with a differnet plan! maybe this is a little more in the right direction.
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Location: Phoenix | Add alfalfa. |
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Location: Florida.. | Now my post makes no sense since you edited it and removed what you are feeding each horse!!! stop....lol
Personally had no luck with renew gold... my mare went downhil fast on it losing weight.. i dont care to hear why or whatever .. I took her off it.. and wouldnt use it myself.....
i think a easy keeper doesnt require 4 lbs of grain that is 10 fat..you could put him on the oats like your running horse..
I think a 2 yr old needs more then renew gold per your first post thats all it gets..
your running horse is getting alot still 11 lbs of grain ? maybe up the alfalfa and reduce his grain? I dont know anything about him though..
forage is the most important aspect of the diet i agree
just opinions.....for i dont know your work load or anything about Your horses..
to post regarding Your new edited post.. and plan........... you have a easty keeper , a 2 yr old, and a running horse... no matter what you feed they each will require differant lbs ....
Edited by Bibliafarm 2017-02-23 7:35 AM
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | All I feed is 1-1.5# renew gold, alfalfa and coastal hay. AM&PM. Its super simple and it works for all of mine from weanlings to broodmares to my running horses and retired guys. Just give it time! |
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| Bibliafarm - 2017-02-23 7:29 AM Now my post makes no sense since you edited it and removed what you are feeding each horse!!! stop....lol
Personally had no luck with renew gold... my mare went downhil fast on it losing weight.. i dont care to hear why or whatever .. I took her off it.. and wouldnt use it myself.....
i think a easy keeper doesnt require 4 lbs of grain that is 10 fat..you could put him on the oats like your running horse..
I think a 2 yr old needs more then renew gold per your first post thats all it gets..
your running horse is getting alot still 11 lbs of grain ? maybe up the alfalfa and reduce his grain? I dont know anything about him though..
forage is the most important aspect of the diet i agree
just opinions.....for i dont know your work load or anything about Your horses..
to post regarding Your new edited post.. and plan........... you have a easty keeper , a 2 yr old, and a running horse... no matter what you feed they each will require differant lbs ....
Sorry!!  im just trying to get some good advice instead of a bunch ofs "that wasnt a 360" lol so i had to edit! as for the gelding, hes in decent work load, not such much hard but he is rode everyday besides maybe sundays. hes ina great shape and looks great but like you said i was/am feeding alot of grain.
And yes i totally agree each will have theyre own poundgae my edited post was referring to my open horse. And all of these horses are on decent pasture with round bales my open horse gets a flake of alfalfa AM/PM |
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Location: West Texas | I am confused. I am just going to make three general observations on common issues with feed programs (maybe they will be helpful):
1. Most people unhappy with their feed are misdirected. They really are unhappy with their hay or pasture and don't know it. Or, if they have quality hay sometimes enough is not given.
2. Keep it simple. "Way" too many people give a little of this and a little of that. Keep in mind a pound of something will do very little and can NEVER overcome a deficiency in quality of forage.
3. Supplements are ad-ons and can never overcome a feed program that doesn't work. Start with a good feed program that works. If you feel a supplement would give you that little extra, go for it. But don't expect a supplement to fix a problem that you can't get 90% under control with quality feed. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2017-02-23 7:00 AM Okay yall, ived literally 360'ed my feeding program and now i need help! i feel like im gonna strave my horses!
all the horses have pasture and round bale
Editing to just start from strach.. again.
half pound of feed AM/PM
pound and a half of renew gold
pound of whole oats
adding my suppliments ect in
apprently my 360 wasnt a 360 a all
So someone please explain to me how i can sub some feed for the RG?
I dont see how people are just feeding RG and nothing else! Im currently reading thorugh all the threads on RG getting info but thought id post my situation also.
Your worst mistake would be pulling the RG and putting in a filler feed. You would be back at square one.
Add alfalfa in Cube or Hay form. No pellets. You'll see a difference.
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| Bibliafarm - 2017-02-23 7:29 AM
Now my post makes no sense since you edited it and removed what you are feeding each horse!!! stop....lol
Personally had no luck with renew gold... my mare went downhil fast on it losing weight.. i dont care to hear why or whatever .. I took her off it.. and wouldnt use it myself.....
i think a easy keeper doesnt require 4 lbs of grain that is 10 fat..you could put him on the oats like your running horse..
I think a 2 yr old needs more then renew gold per your first post thats all it gets..
your running horse is getting alot still 11 lbs of grain ? maybe up the alfalfa and reduce his grain? I dont know anything about him though..
forage is the most important aspect of the diet i agree
just opinions.....for i dont know your work load or anything about Your horses..
to post regarding Your new edited post.. and plan........... you have a easty keeper , a 2 yr old, and a running horse... no matter what you feed they each will require differant lbs ....
Not every feed or supplement works on every horse.
Growing up, we did not feed our horses but they were on 300 acres of fertilized common Bermuda. Just becauses there is some green stuff out in the pasture does not mean that it is grass or even edible for that matter and if it is not fertilized it has little nutritional value.
Ever notice the nutritional value of your feed on the tag? If you mix feeds or add oats, you completely redo the nutritional value of what you feed. Texas A & M constantly picks up feed and analyzes it to make sure that the feed matches the tag.
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| he already is getting alfalfa.. i know im feeding plently of good quality hay and like i said they all look fat and happy like my feeding program is working as far as keeping everyone happy slick and fat but its breaking my bank and i KNOW im feeding to much grain.
im just worried im gonna starve my guys going from 12lb feed a day to 2lb... should i just cut out the processed feed all together and stick with the RG?? 
Edited by Barrelhorsehelp1 2017-02-23 9:57 AM
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| I would cut out the grain/feed and go with the RG. I have seen a marked improvement in a gelding and a mare by doing this. Well, the gelding doesn't get RG but the mare does. The gelding was an anxious eater, tumping over his feed tub and pawing and GOBBLING his feed. Now he is calm and eats slowly on cubes and flaxseed. The mare was anxious at feeding time and would see boogers while she ate and constantly swishing her tail even though I had sprayed for flies and there weren't any on her. Both of them are much calmer. |
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Location: West Texas | Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2017-02-23 9:56 AM
he already is getting alfalfa.. i know im feeding plently of good quality hay and like i said they all look fat and happy like my feeding program is working as far as keeping everyone happy slick and fat but its breaking my bank and i KNOW im feeding to much grain.
im just worried im gonna starve my guys going from 12lb feed a day to 2lb... should i just cut out the processed feed all together and stick with the RG??
The key there would be when cutting back from 12 to 2 lbs of grain, you would need to increase the alfalfa to match. |
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| Tdove - 2017-02-23 10:05 AM Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2017-02-23 9:56 AM he already is getting alfalfa.. i know im feeding plently of good quality hay and like i said they all look fat and happy like my feeding program is working as far as keeping everyone happy slick and fat but its breaking my bank and i KNOW im feeding to much grain.
im just worried im gonna starve my guys going from 12lb feed a day to 2lb... should i just cut out the processed feed all together and stick with the RG?? The key there would be when cutting back from 12 to 2 lbs of grain, you would need to increase the alfalfa to match.
So then you wouldnt reccomend feeding the coastal round bales?? only my open horse is getting the alfalfa, twice a day 1 or 2 flakes which he doesnt even eat all of it anyway.
i can buy those block of timothy/alfalfa instead but i dont want to buy costal round bales and alfalfa if hes only going to be eating one or the other?? why do i feel like i wont be cutting my feed bill in half and instead paying more |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2017-02-23 10:11 AM
Tdove - 2017-02-23 10:05 AM Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2017-02-23 9:56 AM he already is getting alfalfa.. i know im feeding plently of good quality hay and like i said they all look fat and happy like my feeding program is working as far as keeping everyone happy slick and fat but its breaking my bank and i KNOW im feeding to much grain.
im just worried im gonna starve my guys going from 12lb feed a day to 2lb... should i just cut out the processed feed all together and stick with the RG?? The key there would be when cutting back from 12 to 2 lbs of grain, you would need to increase the alfalfa to match.
i can buy those block of timothy/alfalfa instead but i dont want to buy costal round bales and alfalfa if hes only going to be eating one or the other?? why do i feel like i wont be cutting my feed bill in half and instead paying more
Coastal hay has no nutritional value what so ever. It's a filler. They eat it when they are bored. Alfalfa has nutritional value and should be used to match the gaps in your feed program.
Message winwillows your feed program in a PM. He will tell you exactly where the holes are, how to fix it and why you need to fix it. He will even give you an amount in pounds of each to feed. He's an expert. He does this for a living. PM him. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I have 7 geldings and 4 mares on nothing but pasture grass, year round. They are far from starved. I guess they have a protein block during the winter, until we start to have to mix cattle in with them in April. If I am riding something hard, I supplement them with some alfalfa pellets instead of grain. They are ridden hard in the spring and fall and on and off in the summer for ranch work and they hold their weight just fine and have stamina. I am talking checking calving cows for 2 hrs at sun up, again mid day and that evening. Rough country at a fast trot.
I think the need for bagged grains is a huge misconception and the reason so many people have ulcer issues, along with behavior issues. Most hard keepers are that way for a reason. Something is wrong. Teeth, ulcers, internal parasites, metabolic or poor quality forage.
I know there are exeptions to the rule, and I do give small amounts of grain to my senior horses that can no longer eat hay or pasture due to teeth, or lack of. And my weanlings get some grain, but not the amounts stated on the bag. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-23 11:11 AM
I have 7 geldings and 4 mares on nothing but pasture grass, year round. They are far from starved. I guess they have a protein block during the winter, until we start to have to mix cattle in with them in April. If I am riding something hard, I supplement them with some alfalfa pellets instead of grain. They are ridden hard in the spring and fall and on and off in the summer for ranch work and they hold their weight just fine and have stamina. I am talking checking calving cows for 2 hrs at sun up, again mid day and that evening. Rough country at a fast trot.
I think the need for bagged grains is a huge misconception and the reason so many people have ulcer issues, along with behavior issues. Most hard keepers are that way for a reason. Something is wrong. Teeth, ulcers, internal parasites, metabolic or poor quality forage.
I know there are exeptions to the rule, and I do give small amounts of grain to my senior horses that can no longer eat hay or pasture due to teeth, or lack of. And my weanlings get some grain, but not the amounts stated on the bag.
Well said and I totally agree. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2017-02-23 9:11 AM Tdove - 2017-02-23 10:05 AM Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2017-02-23 9:56 AM he already is getting alfalfa.. i know im feeding plently of good quality hay and like i said they all look fat and happy like my feeding program is working as far as keeping everyone happy slick and fat but its breaking my bank and i KNOW im feeding to much grain.
im just worried im gonna starve my guys going from 12lb feed a day to 2lb... should i just cut out the processed feed all together and stick with the RG?? The key there would be when cutting back from 12 to 2 lbs of grain, you would need to increase the alfalfa to match.
i can buy those block of timothy/alfalfa instead but i dont want to buy costal round bales and alfalfa if hes only going to be eating one or the other?? why do i feel like i wont be cutting my feed bill in half and instead paying more
If you feed alfalfa, I doubt he would ever touch the coastal. |
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