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| I was reading my barrel magizine. In the stud section was
Frenchman's guy clone.Guys duplicate. What is everybody
thought on this from a breeding stand piont. Very curious what and if you would breed or pay for a foal from this stud?
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Location: NW. Florida | I saw it too, and no I wouldn't breed to him. |
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| YOu cannot register the foal. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I raise horses, all 5 panel N/N with the hopes to better the breed. I will not regress and breed unregistered horses. |
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Location: Oklahoma | NOPE. I hate the fact you can still breed to studs who are deceased (DTF, etc.) and I definitely wouldn't breed to a clone. How can you expect to better the breed and introduce new blood if you keep having the same horses. |
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| TwistedK - 2017-02-23 1:39 PM NOPE. I hate the fact you can still breed to studs who are deceased (DTF, etc.) and I definitely wouldn't breed to a clone. How can you expect to better the breed and introduce new blood if you keep having the same horses. I totally agree... I won't breed to a clone either. The markets already flooded with the FG bloodline and it'll never die.
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| I don't have as much invested emotionally in this as some do on this board but I wouldn't buy one. Mainly because of the registry issue. IMO even if he is a clone of something great, he is still unproven. |
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| In the barrel racing side of things does anyone know what horses have been cloned? I know Hot Shot, Scamper, and Latte. Any others? |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Frenchman Guy has 3 clones and then Red Man Bay has two. |
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| How does the sires seman differ from the clones? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Nope. Unregistered foals. Unproven Stallion. |
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| It doesn't, and this is why once a stud (that's still alive) as been cloned I refuse to either breed to him or purchase of any his unproven get.
There was a big hoopla a few years ago with a stallion whos babies used to win a lot. Suddenly the babies weren't placing as well etc. Turns out the stud had started to decline semen wise and eventually went sterile about 5 years prior and they had a clone of him and they had been shipping his semen out.
As shady as the horse world can be I'm sure it will happen again.
Edited to add this was not a barrel horse sire or even a quarter horse
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| Are any of these clone babies doing anything? |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Blaise is running her Red Man Bay clones. But so far none can be considered a successful sire, worth being kept a stud, that is. |
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Location: Sherman, TX | The Latte clones I don't think are old enough to run but thought from a BHN article Mary was riding a young one. Think it said there are 4 Lattes? |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | For me, cloning comes down to a nature vs. nurture issue. Are the great equine athletes of this industry great because of simply genetics, or does their heart and the life experiences they've been through make them a superstar? I know that personally I have ridden some full siblings to really nice horses that weren't all that great. Sure they may be athletic, but they didn't have what it took to be a standout. Genetically you can reproduce them, but there is no way to duplicate the heart, grit and try that it takes for a horse to win like Hot Shot, Latte and Red Man did. I feel like cloning hits the breaks on our whole industry. It cripples us from going to try and make, breed and train better horses. There were great sires before FG and there will be great ones for years to come. Cloning seems like a lazy way to ride on the coat tails of what's already been done, instead of trying to create something better. |
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| Ashley Lynn - 2017-02-24 7:53 AM
For me, cloning comes down to a nature vs. nurture issue. Are the great equine athletes of this industry great because of simply genetics, or does their heart and the life experiences they've been through make them a superstar? I know that personally I have ridden some full siblings to really nice horses that weren't all that great. Sure they may be athletic, but they didn't have what it took to be a standout. Genetically you can reproduce them, but there is no way to duplicate the heart, grit and try that it takes for a horse to win like Hot Shot, Latte and Red Man did. I feel like cloning hits the breaks on our whole industry. It cripples us from going to try and make, breed and train better horses. There were great sires before FG and there will be great ones for years to come. Cloning seems like a lazy way to ride on the coat tails of what's already been done, instead of trying to create something better.
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| Jud Little had a Clayton foal called Scamper to Dat Cash that ran in the Superstakes at the BFA and I think had earnings of 10k before being sold at his production sale.
Does anyone know what happened to him?
I can't name anything else out competing besides Blasie running Douglas her RMB clone.
Dunno what Danny Ray is doing with his hotshot clones. I know the hot shot clones are patterned but where are they? Anyone know?
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Location: Desert Land | astreakinchic - 2017-02-24 6:48 AM Jud Little had a Clayton foal called Scamper to Dat Cash that ran in the Superstakes at the BFA and I think had earnings of 10k before being sold at his production sale. Does anyone know what happened to him? I can't name anything else out competing besides Blasie running Douglas her RMB clone. Dunno what Danny Ray is doing with his hotshot clones. I know the hot shot clones are patterned but where are they? Anyone know?
Scamper to Dat Cash is here in So Cal. A friend of mine bought him through the Jud Little Dispersal Sale Dec 2015. He got injured last year and she has been bringing him back slowly. There was a big race here last weekend and he hit a barrel to be 2nd in the slot race behind a horse that placed at the NFR in 2015. |
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| TheOldGrayMare - 2017-02-24 10:12 AM
astreakinchic - 2017-02-24 6:48 AM Jud Little had a Clayton foal called Scamper to Dat Cash that ran in the Superstakes at the BFA and I think had earnings of 10k before being sold at his production sale. Does anyone know what happened to him? I can't name anything else out competing besides Blasie running Douglas her RMB clone. Dunno what Danny Ray is doing with his hotshot clones. I know the hot shot clones are patterned but where are they? Anyone know?
Scamper to Dat Cash is here in So Cal. A friend of mine bought him through the Jud Little Dispersal Sale Dec 2015. He got injured last year and she has been bringing him back slowly. There was a big race here last weekend and he hit a barrel to be 2nd in the slot race behind a horse that placed at the NFR in 2015.
Thats great he is still competing!!
Anyone know about the hot shot clones? |
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