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| just read a couple posts on facebook about a certain stallion owner charging to breed outside mares and then not giving breeders certificates... has anyone heard this? It was supposedly a streak of fling son I don't really want to say names since facebook is far from being a reliable source. |
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Sock Snob
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Location: Idaho | Nope, but if that is true I'd be questioning if the stud is really a son of SoF. What is the world coming to. |
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  Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I heard about that one too. Sounds like it is no dispute, but happening with several mare owners. |
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Location: Kansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-03-10 8:50 AM I heard about that one too. Sounds like it is no dispute, but happening with several mare owners.
which stud is it?
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Location: Nebraska | please pm the name of the stallion |
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| Well I guess since there are already court cases I wasn't aware of I can say.. my fling with fame |
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 Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | It is a shame, he is a nice animal. I have seen him in person. |
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Location: Deep South | I don't understand the point of that? How would the stallion owner benefit? They've already been paid, they've already provided the semen.... ?? Do they have to pay to submit the breeder's report? Is that the issue? |
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Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | BamaCanChaser - 2017-03-10 11:22 AM I don't understand the point of that? How would the stallion owner benefit? They've already been paid, they've already provided the semen.... ?? Do they have to pay to submit the breeder's report? Is that the issue?
I have no idea what the issue is but YES, you have to pay per horse bred when submitting your stallion report. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I'm not sure what the problem is. But when a stallion owner breeds a mare the information on that mare is submitted on a SBR (stallion breeding report) to AQHA. This triggers the physical copy of the breeders certificate (BC) to be mailed to the stallion owner. Plus then AQHA has the information in their system. I submit everything online anymore because it's quicker. So when I submit the SBR I also release the breeders certificate online if all fees have been paid by the mare owner. When the foal is born, they can go online and register their baby and the BC is already released. They don't need the physical BC. I have noticed that AQHA still sends me notice of the mare owner trying to register the foal even though I have already released the BC. Maybe it's a redundancy they want in place to protect the stallion owner. IDK
So my question is has all the above been done or did the stallion owner not do something? Does the mare owner not realize they can register the foal online? Or is it really outright fraud? There is no upside to screwing people if they have performed their obligations. None. The word gets around fast. |
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| OregonBR - 2017-03-10 10:51 AM I'm not sure what the problem is. But when a stallion owner breeds a mare the information on that mare is submitted on a SBR (stallion breeding report) to AQHA. This triggers the physical copy of the breeders certificate (BC) to be mailed to the stallion owner. Plus then AQHA has the information in their system. I submit everything online anymore because it's quicker. So when I submit the SBR I also release the breeders certificate online if all fees have been paid by the mare owner. When the foal is born, they can go online and register their baby and the BC is already released. They don't need the physical BC. I have noticed that AQHA still sends me notice of the mare owner trying to register the foal even though I have already released the BC. Maybe it's a redundancy they want in place to protect the stallion owner. IDK So my question is has all the above been done or did the stallion owner not do something? Does the mare owner not realize they can register the foal online? Or is it really outright fraud? There is no upside to screwing people if they have performed their obligations. None. The word gets around fast.
I agree. From the stallion owner perspecive, this makes no sense. We are missing something here. |
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| Amanda Dilbone Griffo posted a warning about it on facebook that has a lot of that info... wish I could link it here but it's on her page. |
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Location: Deep South | gunner07 - 2017-03-10 11:06 AM
Amanda Dilbone Griffo posted a warning about it on facebook that has a lot of that info... wish I could link it here but it's on her page.
I read the post. Sounds like a shady character.
https://www.facebook.com/AmandaDilboneGriffo |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | HORSE OWNERSHIP SUMMARY
REG. NO. HORSE'S NAME COLOR SEX DATE FOAL ST
X0710979 MY FLING WITH FAME BAY ROAN STALLION 04/23/2012 OH
Additional Horse Information for MY FLING WITH FAME:
Genetic Typed
Frozen Semen/Embryo Transfer
Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
SIRE DAM MATERNAL GRANDSIRE
3806003 A STREAK OF FLING X0682819 LL HEARTBREAKER 2874147 DASH TA FAME
DESCRIPTION NAME ADDRESS DATE OF SALE DATE TRANSFER RECORDED
BREEDER : PATSY J SIGMAN MCCONNELSVILLE, OH N/A N/A
CURRENT OWNER : PATSY J SIGMAN MCCONNELSVILLE, OH 04/23/2012 N/A |
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Location: Kansas | here is the stallion owner:
https://www.facebook.com/patsy.andersonsigman?lst=100009677717884%3A1591516881%3A1489168856 |
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Champ
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The woman that is showing as the owner of the stallion is also the breeder; she's the owner of the mare at the time of breeding her to ASOF. How is she not the rightful owner of the stallion? Something is hinky with this story. There are also no registered foals by this stallion showing up on AQHA. So whoever said they finally got the papers on their 2 year old by him, is also not telling the truth. |
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 The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | BamaCanChaser - 2017-03-10 9:11 AM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 11:06 AM Amanda Dilbone Griffo posted a warning about it on facebook that has a lot of that info... wish I could link it here but it's on her page. I read the post. Sounds like a shady character. https://www.facebook.com/AmandaDilboneGriffo
I wouldn't beleive everything I read on this rant on FB. HOW can someone that was listed as the owner of the dam at time of breeding AND foaling, and hence is listed as the BREEDER (and only owner) of said horse, have "stolen" him from someone when he was a yearling? That makes ZERO sense! The breeding report (or lack there of)
part, well that is just WRONG |
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Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | No matter what---it is a mess and the stallion will suffer the consequences, which is a shame. He is NICE. There is a video up from last weekend and it was a trainwreck----but he is a nice horse. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| Does AQHA put sanctions on a horse that is in dispute?? Preventing them from filing a breeding report. |
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