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Location: Ohio | I have a long yearling that has some very weird symptoms and Im hoping to pick everyone's brains because both the vet and I are stumped. When I first went to the barn tonight I noticed my filly laying down napping (not unusual for her at all) but when I went in a few minutes later to check on her she didn't jump right up like she normally would. Once I asked she got right up but within a few minutes went right back down and started to role. Called vet thinking it was colic. After that I started checking her all over, went to check gum color and almost fell over from the smell coming out of her mouth and notice a lot of dead skin had collected inside her lips. No lesions, redness or anything to explain it.
Start walking her, lots of poop, she stops acting colicky and goes to shaky and wobbly (standing with feet spread apart for balance), lays down and starts bobbing her head sideways like she is moving her head to music. Vet shows up, temp, heart rate, gut sounds are all normal. Gives her some banamine just to be safe. We start checking her mouth and find nothing! No bad teeth, no abscess... no nasal drainage, facial swelling or swollen lymph nodes... not one hair is out of place. He doesn't think its epm but will run her blood to be sure but it still doesn't explain her mouth. Seemed less wobbly after banamine kicked in. Starting her on antibiotics, he is going do research tonight and get some advice from other vets he knows at OSU to see where we go next. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this?
Edited to add: There have been no changes in feed, i havent vaccinated or dewormed any of my horses yet.
Edited by GrittyCowgirl 2017-03-23 9:18 PM
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Location: Arkansas | Please let you know what you find out. Sending thoughts and prayers your way. |
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Location: OH. IO | horsesidevetguide.com/drv/Observation/171/foul-odor-from-mouth-or-face-bad-breath/ |
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | Did he ck her for pneumonia?
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Strangles?
Edited by Yakima 2017-03-23 11:37 PM
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Location: Ohio | Lung sounds are clear so far and no swollen lymph nodes. |
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Location: Ohio | jake16 - 2017-03-22 11:54 PM
horsesidevetguide.com/drv/Observation/171/foul-odor-from-mouth-or-face-bad-breath/
Thank you. We worried about the possibility of ulcers so were hesitant of giving her banamine. She is passing manure fine. I offered her soaked hay and beet pulp earlier she took one bite, spit it out after trying to chew it and coughed a few times. |
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| Has she hit her head on anything? I work in a hospital and we associate really foul breath (for no obvious reason) with head trauma. We call it neuro breath. Possibly a head bleed or some sort of trauma. I know it sounds crazy but worth looking into! |
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Location: OH. IO | Maybe check her kidneys. Did you dobloodwork yet?I would check for kidney failure.Good luck.i hope she's ok. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Any update this morning OP? |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | jake16 - 2017-03-24 5:17 AM Maybe check her kidneys. Did you dobloodwork yet?I would check for kidney failure.Good luck.i hope she's ok.
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Location: North Dakota | A friend of mine had a horse acting similar and it ended up having insulin resistance. The vet eventually had to put the horse down. |
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Location: Arkansas | Just checking in for an update. |
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Location: Ohio | Sorry everyone! Ive been at the barn for the past 48 hours. We have some weird stuff going on and while we have the filly feeling better nothing is adding up.
Friday morning after the banamine was worn off the filly still seemed less off balance but was extremely weak and tired. A few times she had trouble getting up and needed help. No interest in food and water but was still pooping and peeing. Just wanted to lay down and was over all very quite. Vet came out later in the afternoon to check on her and get more blood. He decided to put a tube down her and see what was in her stomach (by this time we thought she had ingested something toxic because she was colicky)... as soon as that tube hit her stomach we had instant reflux and we took out 4 gallons of the most foul smelling, rotten watery liquid came out of her. This whole time she had been pooping and hadn't drank any water. As soon as we put some water and electrolytes back in her she really perked up. Even this morning she is more perky, walking around but still not eating or drinking well so vet will be out later to put her on fluids. She also didnt have much manure in her stall last night but had plenty of wet spots.
Later yesterday afternoon right before vet left momma started acting tired and depressed but not neurological. We are running tests on both and will have results on kidney/liver function this afternoon. It will be later in the week before we get results for any like epm, toxins, ect.
Im grabbing some food and heading back. I will try to get back on later this afternoon to give an update.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would be checking for West Nile/Sleeping sickness/vee.. |
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Location: Arkansas | I would definitely have a CBC and Chemistries run. Kidney issues can cause bad breath and ulcers (in dogs, so I would assume in horses as well). Maybe check Leptospirosis titers
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Location: Ohio | Im waiting for the vet to call with results for CBC. No one has been on or off the property since August and no mosquitos out yet at our place. We are hoping to see something to shed light on this from the blood work. So frustrating.
Edited to add neither have had an elevated temps or heart rate even when acting like they are in pain which was really odd to us.
Edited by GrittyCowgirl 2017-03-25 1:36 PM
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Ditto on the continued prayers.. Please give us an update as soon as you know anything.. |
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Adding my prayers to these. We'll have faith that you'll come back soon with good updates |
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