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| Who all has seen it? I think there's more to the story, BUT, the bottom line is UNITED OVERBOOKED and then DRUG that doctor out of the plane. He BOUGHT a ticket. I don't really get the overbooking thing - they STILL get their money if you don't show up. To me, it's nothing but GREED.
I ALWAYS take an extra vacation day when I fly because the airlines are SO unreliable, so I would have JUMPED on that $800 offer but honestly, people book flights and EXPECT to show up when they are scheduled to.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Overbooking should not be allowed. Since as you say they make sure you don't get a refund if you don't show...heck they'd save fuel with less bodies on board.
What makes this even worse to me is that they needed the seats to transport 4 of their crew to another city. Ridiculous. The bad press alone for this mess will cost them far more than if they just kept upping the amount until someone took the offer. Or...find their crew a seat on another airline maybe? |
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| I believe a similar incident happened on Delta a while back.
It makes me sick, I also hope he sues the heck out of them. Also totally agree about overbooking. I don't fly enough to take them up on the vouchers, I want to go home like I paid for. |
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Location: Florida | I know I would have stood up and given him my seat. No deadline or destination is worth watching that doctor go through that to get back to his patients, or anyone for that matter.
I will never fly that airline again. That is what we should all do, boycott. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | The flight was not overbooked. The flight was full. There was a standby crew of 4 that needed to be on the same plane for some reason. United offered 4 people $400 and a night stay at a hotel with a flight leaving the next day at 3pm so the crew could board the plane. No one took it. They upped it to $800 and a stay at a hotel with a flight leaving at 3 pm. No one moved. They did a lottery type system in their computer and randomly drew 4 passengers. 3 of the passengers chosen got up and took the offer after the lottery was drawn. When the doctor didn't give up his seat, security was called to remove the man.
The doctor supposedly had patients he needed to get back to.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-11 8:12 AM
The flight was not overbooked. The flight was full. There was a standby crew of 4 that needed to be on the same plane for some reason. United offered 4 people $400 and a night stay at a hotel with a flight leaving the next day at 3pm so the crew could board the plane. No one took it. They upped it to $800 and a stay at a hotel with a flight leaving at 3 pm. No one moved. They did a lottery type system in their computer and randomly drew 4 passengers. 3 of the passengers chosen got up and took the offer after the lottery was drawn. When the doctor didn't give up his seat, security was called to remove the man.
The doctor supposedly had patients he needed to get back to.
It evidently wasn't just security but the Chicago PD? Also, it's not a completely random lottery. I think it was a NYT article where I read they have policies about not breaking up families or leaving minors unattended (or pulling minors off at all for the most part) . . . except for refusing a flight to the two young girls wearing leggings anyway. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The entire episode would have never happened if the gate agent were given the leeway to offer vouchers for volunteers like bidding at an auction. They need to set the upper limit higher so the agent could open up bidding at say, $500 and increasing by $100, until they got enough volunteers. I guarantee you once they got up over $1000 they would have found enough people to give up 4 seats.
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| Vickie - 2017-04-11 7:55 AM
I know I would have stood up and given him my seat. No deadline or destination is worth watching that doctor go through that to get back to his patients, or anyone for that matter.
I will never fly that airline again. That is what we should all do, boycott.
I agree, Vicki. It was bad looking and if I ever fly, it sure won't be with United.
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| streakysox - 2017-04-11 7:51 AM
Dragged?
Yes ma'am. Dragged and unconscious and bleeding, though not bad from the video I saw. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | oija - 2017-04-11 9:30 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-11 8:12 AM The flight was not overbooked. The flight was full. There was a standby crew of 4 that needed to be on the same plane for some reason. United offered 4 people $400 and a night stay at a hotel with a flight leaving the next day at 3pm so the crew could board the plane. No one took it. They upped it to $800 and a stay at a hotel with a flight leaving at 3 pm. No one moved. They did a lottery type system in their computer and randomly drew 4 passengers. 3 of the passengers chosen got up and took the offer after the lottery was drawn. When the doctor didn't give up his seat, security was called to remove the man.
The doctor supposedly had patients he needed to get back to. It evidently wasn't just security but the Chicago PD? Also, it's not a completely random lottery. I think it was a NYT article where I read they have policies about not breaking up families or leaving minors unattended (or pulling minors off at all for the most part ) . . . except for refusing a flight to the two young girls wearing leggings anyway.
CPD has said they were not involved.
The system for removing folks from a flight is typically based on price paid for ticket. You can bet the cheapest ticket on that flight was picked.
Every single airline in existence over books flights. They handled the situation poorly and will pay dearly. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | He looked Asian. 5 will get you 10 that someone will cry "racism" and that his civil rights were violated.
The airlines must realize that the odds are stacked against them if this ever goes before a jury. That video of him squealing like a hog being drug to slaughter, with the fat lip, etc.... will be a huge windfall.
He just hit the lottery. He will be able to buy a nice villa in the Caribbean when this is over. |
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| GLP - 2017-04-11 8:58 AM
streakysox - 2017-04-11 7:51 AM
Dragged?
Yes ma'am. Dragged and unconscious and bleeding, though not bad from the video I saw.
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Location: Kentucky | Honestly, I would have taken the credit, jumped in a rental and just drove the 5 hours from Chicago to LVL. Doesn't justify what they did, but holy ish. Time vs. effort kinda thing. |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Don't know the reliability of the source, but I did see this posted about the doctor:
The passenger who was savagely removed from United flight 3411 is a medical doctor with a sordid history.
Dr. David Dao was charged in 2005 with 98 felony drug counts for illegally prescribing and trafficking painkillers. Prosecutors claimed Dao fraudulently filled prescriptions for hydocodone, Oxycontin and Percocet.
Dr. Dao was also convicted on 6 felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005 was given 5 years probation.
Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a patient in exchange for sex.
In February, 2005, Dr. Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. In 2015 the medical board lifted the suspension and allowed him to practice medicine with some restrictions. Last year, the medical board imposed even more restrictions -- now he can only practice internal medicine in an outpatient facility one day a week.
Still not justifiable, but it does make you go "hmmmmm...." |
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Location: north dakota | I don't feel airlines should be allowed to overbook or remove passengers with paid seating to accomidate flight crew but I also thought the Dr's behavior was really bizarre, especially the part where he started squealing when they went to remove him from his seat.
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| This is why I do not fly. Unfortunately many people have to fly because of their line of work and I have sympathy for them. I hope this man takes United to the bank. The way these airlines treat people is truly awful. Overlooking should be illegal but I know the flight was not overbooked in this case. I read that the man had a concussion after being ripped from his seat. If someone chooses to give their seat up for crew that is a courtesy but they should not have to.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | His sordid past is completely irrelevant. The whole incident was handled terribly. It could have happened to anyone. That's the point. So the guy is a douche bag. Fine, I get it. It was stupid on United's part. They should just auction off those 4 spots. Stopping at $800 or $1000 wasn't enough. If they would have offered $1500 they would have gotten 4 volunteers, I guarantee it. They would have lost $2000. That's the price they pay. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SloRide - 2017-04-11 12:59 PM This is why I do not fly. Unfortunately many people have to fly because of their line of work and I have sympathy for them. I hope this man takes United to the bank. The way these airlines treat people is truly awful. Overlooking should be illegal but I know the flight was not overbooked in this case. I read that the man had a concussion after being ripped from his seat. If someone chooses to give their seat up for crew that is a courtesy but they should not have to.
why should overbooking be illegal?
You have no constitutional right to air travel.
United was very stoopid in how they handled this, but over booking was not the main issue. |
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