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Location: MN | Asking for a friend as she just had to bury a colt due to Neonatal Isoerythrolysis. The colt passed away on Easter Sunday and it was just a devastating loss as he appeared very healthy and lively the night before he passed at just 5 days old 
Is it typical for stallion owners to know the blood type of your stud? Should mare owners be aware of what blood type their mare carries?
If a foal inherits a blood type or components from his sire that don't match the mare's, and if these reach her bloodstream, her immune system considers the foal's red blood cells "foreign." In such a case she creates antibodies against them. Or, if there's abnormal blood transfer between dam and fetus (such as placental hemorrhage during pregnancy), the mare is exposed to the foal's red blood cell antigens, triggering her immune system to attack and destroy them and priming her system to release targeted antibodies in the colostrum. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 10:51 AM Asking for a friend as she just had to bury a colt due to Neonatal Isoerythrolysis. The colt passed away on Easter Sunday and it was just a devastating loss as he appeared very healthy and lively the night before he passed at just 5 days old
Is it typical for stallion owners to know the blood type of your stud? Should mare owners be aware of what blood type their mare carries?
If a foal inherits a blood type or components from his sire that don't match the mare's, and if these reach her bloodstream, her immune system considers the foal's red blood cells "foreign." In such a case she creates antibodies against them. Or, if there's abnormal blood transfer between dam and fetus (such as placental hemorrhage during pregnancy), the mare is exposed to the foal's red blood cell antigens, triggering her immune system to attack and destroy them and priming her system to release targeted antibodies in the colostrum.
I don't think it is common at all to know horse blood type. I think it is one of those rare freak things. That is so sad and I am sorry for the loss of a foal. |
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| In my opinion this is a mare management issue. The mare owner could use blood tests that would recognize the potential for these problems before foaling and after foaling. I hate to hear of things like this happening, everybody feels bad. This is however one of the many things mare owners are responsible for and is usually missed because of lack of knowledge. |
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Location: MN | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-04-18 11:58 AM
Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 10:51 AM Asking for a friend as she just had to bury a colt due to Neonatal Isoerythrolysis. The colt passed away on Easter Sunday and it was just a devastating loss as he appeared very healthy and lively the night before he passed at just 5 days old
Is it typical for stallion owners to know the blood type of your stud? Should mare owners be aware of what blood type their mare carries?
If a foal inherits a blood type or components from his sire that don't match the mare's, and if these reach her bloodstream, her immune system considers the foal's red blood cells "foreign." In such a case she creates antibodies against them. Or, if there's abnormal blood transfer between dam and fetus (such as placental hemorrhage during pregnancy), the mare is exposed to the foal's red blood cell antigens, triggering her immune system to attack and destroy them and priming her system to release targeted antibodies in the colostrum.
Yes, it is incredibly sad. He was such a handsome guy! Big, thick, buckskin stud colt with a big white star. They had high hopes for this guy :( |
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Location: Windoming | I tried breeding my mare for the first time a couple years ago, and the colt died from the same thing. Until then, I had never heard of this issue in horse breeding. I think it would be a good thing for stallion owners to educate/alert mare owners about the issue, especially first time breeders. It is heartbreaking (and expensive) to lose a foal that you had waited so long for and had high hopes for. He was exactly what I wanted. I gave up the breeding business after that.
I always wondered about the live foal guarantee. If the foal lives three days, does that void the guarantee? I did notify the stallion owners at the time, by email and voice mail. Never did hear a word back from them. It would have been nice to at least have a response from them. Very well known stallion.
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Location: MN | Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 12:06 PM In my opinion this is a mare management issue. The mare owner could use blood tests that would recognize the potential for these problems before foaling and after foaling. I hate to hear of things like this happening, everybody feels bad. This is however one of the many things mare owners are responsible for and is usually missed because of lack of knowledge.
So are you saying it actually has nothing to do with the stallion side of things? Wouldnt you need to know what the stud carries in order to avoid this? |
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 12:52 PM Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 12:06 PM In my opinion this is a mare management issue. The mare owner could use blood tests that would recognize the potential for these problems before foaling and after foaling. I hate to hear of things like this happening, everybody feels bad. This is however one of the many things mare owners are responsible for and is usually missed because of lack of knowledge. So are you saying it actually has nothing to do with the stallion side of things? Wouldnt you need to know what the stud carries in order to avoid this?
My interpretation of his post is it is the responsibility of the mare owner to ask these questions. It would be great if stud owners knew the studs blood type but it is up to the mare's owner to be sure they are picking a correct stud. So sorry for the loss of the foal. How devastating to think you have a healthy one then find him you lost him. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Someone I have on FB actually had her mare tested because either she had heard of it happening before or it did happen to her before. She saved her foals life because of it. I messaged her this thread!
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| Silly Filly - 2017-04-18 12:26 PM I tried breeding my mare for the first time a couple years ago, and the colt died from the same thing. Until then, I had never heard of this issue in horse breeding. I think it would be a good thing for stallion owners to educate/alert mare owners about the issue, especially first time breeders. It is heartbreaking (and expensive) to lose a foal that you had waited so long for and had high hopes for. He was exactly what I wanted. I gave up the breeding business after that.
I always wondered about the live foal guarantee. If the foal lives three days, does that void the guarantee? I did notify the stallion owners at the time, by email and voice mail. Never did hear a word back from them. It would have been nice to at least have a response from them. Very well known stallion.
The live foal guarantee is generally considered to be satisfied when the foal stands and nurses. |
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| SmokinGirlie - 2017-04-18 1:11 PM
Someone I have on FB actually had her mare tested because either she had heard of it happening before or it did happen to her before. She saved her foals life because of it.
My sister did the same thing and it saved her foal's life, too. I don't know how she found out about it, though. |
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Location: MN | rodeomom3 - 2017-04-18 1:09 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 12:52 PM Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 12:06 PM In my opinion this is a mare management issue. The mare owner could use blood tests that would recognize the potential for these problems before foaling and after foaling. I hate to hear of things like this happening, everybody feels bad. This is however one of the many things mare owners are responsible for and is usually missed because of lack of knowledge. So are you saying it actually has nothing to do with the stallion side of things? Wouldnt you need to know what the stud carries in order to avoid this?
Thank you Rodeomom3. I now see it that way too. Thanks! |
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Location: MN | GLP - 2017-04-18 1:15 PM SmokinGirlie - 2017-04-18 1:11 PM Someone I have on FB actually had her mare tested because either she had heard of it happening before or it did happen to her before. She saved her foals life because of it. My sister did the same thing and it saved her foal's life, too. I don't know how she found out about it, though.
Yes! You have so long to figure it out before it does get into their bloodstream. So glad yall were able to save some little ones lives! |
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Location: MN | They are more than likely going to have this mare checked, especially before breeding again. Weird thing is, she had a perfectly healthy filly last year out of the same stud. They either got lucky or it inherited mare's blood type.
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 1:30 PM
GLP - 2017-04-18 1:15 PM SmokinGirlie - 2017-04-18 1:11 PM Someone I have on FB actually had her mare tested because either she had heard of it happening before or it did happen to her before. She saved her foals life because of it. My sister did the same thing and it saved her foal's life, too. I don't know how she found out about it, though.
She found out about it before the birth - not that the foal was going to have it, but that she needed to check the mare's blood. This was several years ago and I can't remember how she found out. Yes, she was very lucky indeed.
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 12:52 PM Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 12:06 PM In my opinion this is a mare management issue. The mare owner could use blood tests that would recognize the potential for these problems before foaling and after foaling. I hate to hear of things like this happening, everybody feels bad. This is however one of the many things mare owners are responsible for and is usually missed because of lack of knowledge. So are you saying it actually has nothing to do with the stallion side of things? Wouldnt you need to know what the stud carries in order to avoid this?
Regardless of the stallion, even if it is a "bad" match there are preventative measures that the mare owner can take to ensure it isn't a fatal problem. I blood test all of my foals shortly after foaling to test for IgG and red blood cell count. If one had a low red blood count we could start treatment and next time around we would take precautions. |
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| Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 1:36 PM
Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 12:52 PM Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 12:06 PM In my opinion this is a mare management issue. The mare owner could use blood tests that would recognize the potential for these problems before foaling and after foaling. I hate to hear of things like this happening, everybody feels bad. This is however one of the many things mare owners are responsible for and is usually missed because of lack of knowledge. So are you saying it actually has nothing to do with the stallion side of things? Wouldnt you need to know what the stud carries in order to avoid this?
Now that you mentioned that, I believe that is how she learned about it. I remember her blood testing the foals after that.
I don't think the stallion owner is responsible for this. How could they know it would happen? In the end, we should educate ourselves to the best of our abilities. Sadly, these things happen. |
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Location: MN | Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 1:36 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 12:52 PM Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 12:06 PM In my opinion this is a mare management issue. The mare owner could use blood tests that would recognize the potential for these problems before foaling and after foaling. I hate to hear of things like this happening, everybody feels bad. This is however one of the many things mare owners are responsible for and is usually missed because of lack of knowledge. So are you saying it actually has nothing to do with the stallion side of things? Wouldnt you need to know what the stud carries in order to avoid this?
That is good to know. I am passing along all of the info on this thread so thank you to everyone who has any input! It is greatly appreciated. |
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Location: MN | GLP - 2017-04-18 1:43 PM Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 1:36 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 12:52 PM Whiteboy - 2017-04-18 12:06 PM In my opinion this is a mare management issue. The mare owner could use blood tests that would recognize the potential for these problems before foaling and after foaling. I hate to hear of things like this happening, everybody feels bad. This is however one of the many things mare owners are responsible for and is usually missed because of lack of knowledge. So are you saying it actually has nothing to do with the stallion side of things? Wouldnt you need to know what the stud carries in order to avoid this? Now that you mentioned that, I believe that is how she learned about it. I remember her blood testing the foals after that. I don't think the stallion owner is responsible for this. How could they know it would happen? In the end, we should educate ourselves to the best of our abilities. Sadly, these things happen.
I agree completely. Especially on the educating part. I had heard of it but never read up on it before and now I'm glad that I did for the future. |
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Location: USA | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 11:51 AM Asking for a friend as she just had to bury a colt due to Neonatal Isoerythrolysis. The colt passed away on Easter Sunday and it was just a devastating loss as he appeared very healthy and lively the night before he passed at just 5 days old
Is it typical for stallion owners to know the blood type of your stud? Should mare owners be aware of what blood type their mare carries?
If a foal inherits a blood type or components from his sire that don't match the mare's, and if these reach her bloodstream, her immune system considers the foal's red blood cells "foreign." In such a case she creates antibodies against them. Or, if there's abnormal blood transfer between dam and fetus (such as placental hemorrhage during pregnancy), the mare is exposed to the foal's red blood cell antigens, triggering her immune system to attack and destroy them and priming her system to release targeted antibodies in the colostrum.
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Location: MN | BLM - 2017-04-18 1:59 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-04-18 11:51 AM Asking for a friend as she just had to bury a colt due to Neonatal Isoerythrolysis. The colt passed away on Easter Sunday and it was just a devastating loss as he appeared very healthy and lively the night before he passed at just 5 days old
Is it typical for stallion owners to know the blood type of your stud? Should mare owners be aware of what blood type their mare carries?
If a foal inherits a blood type or components from his sire that don't match the mare's, and if these reach her bloodstream, her immune system considers the foal's red blood cells "foreign." In such a case she creates antibodies against them. Or, if there's abnormal blood transfer between dam and fetus (such as placental hemorrhage during pregnancy), the mare is exposed to the foal's red blood cell antigens, triggering her immune system to attack and destroy them and priming her system to release targeted antibodies in the colostrum.I just dealt with this issue with my Mulberry Fame foal. I insisted he be tested, or he may be dead, too. Strangely,no vet has ever suggested testing. You need to blood test the mare 2 weeks prior to foaling. If she is positive, the foals need to be held off of the mare a minimum of 48 hours. Until all the cokostrum is gine. The foal can be supplemented with plasma or tested colostrum.The problem is, horses have way too many blood types, so blood testing the studs would be ineffective. So very for your friends loss!
Oh wow. I did not know that about the many blood types. Glad you were able to save your foal!! |
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