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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The moment I've been waiting for has finally arrived. "Why Vaccines Work" in comic book form:
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| I can already cite two glaring flaws in their argument.
The first concerns the reemergence of certain diseases that were almost non-existent in this country. This is most likely due the to influx of immigrants legal and non, coming from 3rd World countries where the standard of cleanliness and hygiene is not up to par with ours. Have have ever used a bathroom in Mexico? It is not uncommon to put ALL trash, including used toilet paper (ewwww) in the waste basket because they do not have good septic and sewers...at least not in the border towns, and those folks bring those habits from a lifetime and may not wash their hands with regularity. I have no idea of the habits of those coming in from the war torn middle East or rural Africa. Now to be clear, I am NOT saying that all people from those countries are unsanitary or that their cities do not have better facilities, but the fact is the third World countries are exactly that because they are not as developed as over here, for a large part of the population. I had refused an DPT shot instead of a straight Tetanus shot in the ER. The PA closed the door and quietly told me that there wasn't a big risk, that the only "wild" Tetanus found in this country was in such individuals from said third World countries. And, by the way, why does the hospital only carry a DPT combo and not just the Tetanus???
The second glaring flaw is the argument they used about needing to be revaccinated. The example they used was the Flu, which most everybody knows by now has many different strains and the CDC just guesses at which one or two will be the strain/s going 'round for that season. That has ZERO to do with having to revaccinate for say Tetanus (which used to be a yearly thing, now they say 7 to 10 years), chickenpox, or the multitude of diseases we now vaccinate our animals and children for.
I am on the fence about many of the vaccines we now FORCE people to give to their children an animals. I first started getting suspicious about vaccines when my sister told me of a reaction her son had less than a week after one of his MMR shots (he is now nearly 40, so this was long before the days of Andrew Wakefield and the Jenny McCarthy era. He changed from a normal, happy baby to a sulking, colicky unhappy child almost over night, but outside the mere 72 hours allowed to call it a reaction to the vaccine. He to this day, has emotional and developmental issues. I have Fibromyalgia and some think that it may be attributed to vaccines we all got as children DECADES ago, not just he 72 hour window designated as a possible reaction....who got to designate that as a window anyhow? Then there was my dog who suffered from Hemolytic Auto Immune Anemia. At the time, with no other cause to be found, my small animal vet suggested that it could be a reaction to the lifetime of vaccines recommended for dogs. He has since allowed me to stretch out the time between vaccinations without conflict, indeed by his recommendation, for ALL my dogs.
I have a friend who sold for Fort Dodge and she poo-poohed my reluctance to give all the vaccines recommended for my dogs other animals. She poo-poohed and got upset when my local horse vet preferred not to use Fort Dodge's vaccines because the adjuvant caused more frequent and severe reactions in his clients', as well as his own animals. She is now one of the most rabid antivaxxers I know, and does her own research and pulls her arguments from the package inserts that come with the drugs.....the one the doctors see, not the ones passed on to the clients. She can pull out things like how we are told to vaccinate out pregnant mares before the foal is born (to pass on the immunity) but ZERO research (according to her) has been done on the safety and efficacy on PREGNANT mares.
We in fact, do NOT have ALL the scientific data on how vaccines may negatively affect people over a lifetime. You and I Doc, are the guinea pig generation, the first to receive a battery of childhood vaccinations, and we are not done. Who knows how those vaccinations may have affected our health over the years? Look at the rise in Cancers, heart disease, Diabetes, Hypertension, Fibromyalgia, the veritable army of folks on antidepressants. There is no telling at this point if any of those increases could be connected to vaccines in one way or another.
Me? I am glad that I grew up when I got Mumps, Chicken Pox etc, instead of the vaccines. I will refuse to get Flu shots, Shingles Vax (already had Shingles) and whatever other late in life vaccines they are trying to push on us. I know several, well educated (in medical field) folks who agree and have had several tell me they almost DIED from the Pneumonia vax. I will exercise my right to choose unless they can give a CONVINCING argument to do otherwise.
The sanest advice I have heard about vaccines comes from another vet. Vaccinate for what is deadly or commonly crippling and debilitating and skip the rest. I survived Mumps, measles, Chicken Pox with no lingering effects except a stronger immunity against said disease than a vax can give me. Likewise the horses I had a kid that never got a flu or strangles shot. I personally want to vaccinate my horses for tetanus and Encephalitis (multiple), but it is almost impossible to find single strain vaccines. That's it...well maybe Rabies but that is a VERY reactive vax that can be every hard on a horse (or dog, but the Law requires it). I keep my eyes and ears open for outbreaks of things like West Nile and would reconsider if it looked like my horses actually had a chance to become infected.
All I can say is I am really glad that I don't have a kid. I would be facing fight to at the very least spread the vaccinations over a more reasonable time span rather than overwhelm their tiny little bodies with what is it now, 70 some childhood vaccinations and boosters?
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| I don't know the American vaccines, but I would love if Canada would only carry the DTaP vaccine in emergencies.
In central Alberta has been classified as a whooping cough outbreak since September, the adults are the known carrier and are transmitting it to the unprotected children. Whooping cough can cause death and severe respiratory issues for life. We have started offering the vaccine to all pregnant women as the science shows if vaccinated after 26 weeks the antibioties from the mother will transfer through to the placenta to give the unborn child immunity up to the age of 2 months.
The southern part of the province has a mumps outbreak due to a hockey team visiting the province.
The northern part of the province has a measles outbreak due to a passenger on a plane from another country.
All diseases are one plane ride, one train ride, and one bus ride away from affecting your family.
As for behavioural issues caused by the vaccines. There is actually more of a link to oxytocin given during delivery then th vaccine and you never hear anyone speak of that. I read a research article over 10 years ago that showed if oxytocin was injected into the brai the autistic individual behaved normal till it wore off.
There is also a link between gluten and autism, I actually know a family who went gluten free and their child became normal.
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Location: Florida | When I was growing up we got our immune systems going as soon as our mothers put us down. From siblings, neighbors and playing in the dirt. Unfortunately for many that is no longer true. I totally agree that vaccines need research (shame funding is being cut off) and improvement, but now, for most, they are necessary. For the one child who may have had an adverse reaction and the other who may be able to blame a problem on a vaccine, 1,000 lives were saved worldwide by vaccinations. Do you remember Polio? Guess why not? Because a vaccine eliminated it in this country.
When you look at this issue as a parent you should look at it as playing the odds with you and your neighbor's children's lives in the balance. What are you willing to bet? Have you asked your friends and neighbors and your child's classmates parents if they approve of your bet
This is one time I know of a use for charter schools, in California there has been a big increase in sick children at charters because like minded, non-vac parents have grouped together.
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| I have a bad reaction to the tetanus shot, so does my cousin. But we both lived through it. Just a crazy fever and vomiting. Chances are good we would not live through tetanus. My mother did not get me vaccinated for mumps. Guess what I got? TWICE! And guess what is caused? I am partially deaf in my left ear. For other people it can cause sterility. And it hurts like an SOB. Why risk it?
I play around with ancestry.com a lot and am a big history buff. I read a lot of old death certificates and state reports that were provided to the state back in the 1800s and early 1900s. Many many reports of dead babies and children that died from diseases that we are now capable of preventing.
I do not understand the anti vax movement at all. Some of these people do not even think Jonas Salk existed and call Polio a hoax.
Vaccinations save far more people than they harm. I will stick with the science and history. The numbers don't lie. | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I have a hard time believing that, in this day and age, the medical community can't figure out how to detect autism and if there is a risk for an individual child taking the MMR vaccine. Of course, they would have to first admit that there is a connection.
They should at least make the separate vaccines available, I know there is a demand for it.
I understand that the companies have done studies where thousands of children show no ill effects so they conclude that the vacs don't cause autism. But, the information available to the casual internet user is pretty compelling. It's seems hard to deny that it DOES effect SOME kids. The manufacturers seem to be ignoring the evidence, though and that makes me not trust them.
The theory l've read that made the most sense to me was that, yes, these kids were most likely going to have autism anyway. But, the MMR vaccine caused an earlier onset and more severe case of it. There are just too many parents whose kids developed autism immediately after receiving this vaccine.
I believe in vaccines. Just don't want to do them all at the same time. It's more expemsive, but I'd rather spread them out to make it safer. It just seemed wrong to do something I knew was likely to make my kid sick. I just can't understand why they won't make separate vacs available when I ask for them.
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| Nita - 2017-04-19 11:26 PM
I have a hard time believing that, in this day and age, the medical community can't figure out how to detect autism and if there is a risk for an individual child taking the MMR vaccine. Of course, they would have to first admit that there is a connection.
They should at least make the separate vaccines available, I know there is a demand for it.
I understand that the companies have done studies where thousands of children show no ill effects so they conclude that the vacs don't cause autism. But, the information available to the casual internet user is pretty compelling. It's seems hard to deny that it DOES effect SOME kids. The manufacturers seem to be ignoring the evidence, though and that makes me not trust them.
The theory l've read that made the most sense to me was that, yes, these kids were most likely going to have autism anyway. But, the MMR vaccine caused an earlier onset and more severe case of it. There are just too many parents whose kids developed autism immediately after receiving this vaccine.
I believe in vaccines. Just don't want to do them all at the same time. It's more expemsive, but I'd rather spread them out to make it safer. It just seemed wrong to do something I knew was likely to make my kid sick. I just can't understand why they won't make separate vacs available when I ask for them.
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| Vickie - 2017-04-19 10:47 PM When I was growing up we got our immune systems going as soon as our mothers put us down. From siblings, neighbors and playing in the dirt. Unfortunately for many that is no longer true. I totally agree that vaccines need research (shame funding is being cut off) and improvement, but now, for most, they are necessary. For the one child who may have had an adverse reaction and the other who may be able to blame a problem on a vaccine, 1,000 lives were saved worldwide by vaccinations. Do you remember Polio? Guess why not? Because a vaccine eliminated it in this country. When you look at this issue as a parent you should look at it as playing the odds with you and your neighbor's children's lives in the balance. What are you willing to bet? Have you asked your friends and neighbors and your child's classmates parents if they approve of your bet This is one time I know of a use for charter schools, in California there has been a big increase in sick children at charters because like minded, non-vac parents have grouped together.
I can only speak for myself and the odds I played were whether I could live with the knowledge that I willingly and voluntarily gave my children a shot I knew could severely damage them or not give them the shot and hope they were never exposed. My situation was different than a general fear of vaccines. This was almost 30 years ago, at the age of 2 my daughter started having seizures. The DPT vaccine was very dangerous for children with seizures and their siblings, it could cause severe, dibiltating seizures. With my pediatrician's consent, I did not give it. The DPT they give today is a much safer form, much different than what was offered back then. While we do have a responsibility to society I felt my first responsibility was the well being of my children. My pregnant daughter did get the DPT vaccine before she left the hospital but I told them about the seizures her sister used to have. You know what her dr said? "That was a good decision, the vacs back then were not as safe as they are today". There are certain children who have conditions that predispose them to severe reactions to vaccines. Although many schools fought me, we moved a lot, because of the missing DPT vac., the doctors always gave me a note excusing them from taking it. I do feel lucky that they never were exposed to whooping cough. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeoveteran - 2017-04-19 6:02 PM
I can already cite two glaring flaws in their argument.
The first concerns the reemergence of certain diseases that were almost non-existent in this country. This is most likely due the to influx of immigrants legal and non, coming from 3rd World countries where the standard of cleanliness and hygiene is not up to par with ours. Have have ever used a bathroom in Mexico? It is not uncommon to put ALL trash, including used toilet paper (ewwww) in the waste basket because they do not have good septic and sewers...at least not in the border towns, and those folks bring those habits from a lifetime and may not wash their hands with regularity. I have no idea of the habits of those coming in from the war torn middle East or rural Africa. Now to be clear, I am NOT saying that all people from those countries are unsanitary or that their cities do not have better facilities, but the fact is the third World countries are exactly that because they are not as developed as over here, for a large part of the population. I had refused an DPT shot instead of a straight Tetanus shot in the ER. The PA closed the door and quietly told me that there wasn't a big risk, that the only "wild" Tetanus found in this country was in such individuals from said third World countries. And, by the way, why does the hospital only carry a DPT combo and not just the Tetanus???
The second glaring flaw is the argument they used about needing to be revaccinated. The example they used was the Flu, which most everybody knows by now has many different strains and the CDC just guesses at which one or two will be the strain/s going 'round for that season. That has ZERO to do with having to revaccinate for say Tetanus (which used to be a yearly thing, now they say 7 to 10 years), chickenpox, or the multitude of diseases we now vaccinate our animals and children for.
I am on the fence about many of the vaccines we now FORCE people to give to their children an animals. I first started getting suspicious about vaccines when my sister told me of a reaction her son had less than a week after one of his MMR shots (he is now nearly 40, so this was long before the days of Andrew Wakefield and the Jenny McCarthy era. He changed from a normal, happy baby to a sulking, colicky unhappy child almost over night, but outside the mere 72 hours allowed to call it a reaction to the vaccine. He to this day, has emotional and developmental issues. I have Fibromyalgia and some think that it may be attributed to vaccines we all got as children DECADES ago, not just he 72 hour window designated as a possible reaction....who got to designate that as a window anyhow? Then there was my dog who suffered from Hemolytic Auto Immune Anemia. At the time, with no other cause to be found, my small animal vet suggested that it could be a reaction to the lifetime of vaccines recommended for dogs. He has since allowed me to stretch out the time between vaccinations without conflict, indeed by his recommendation, for ALL my dogs.
I have a friend who sold for Fort Dodge and she poo-poohed my reluctance to give all the vaccines recommended for my dogs other animals. She poo-poohed and got upset when my local horse vet preferred not to use Fort Dodge's vaccines because the adjuvant caused more frequent and severe reactions in his clients', as well as his own animals. She is now one of the most rabid antivaxxers I know, and does her own research and pulls her arguments from the package inserts that come with the drugs.....the one the doctors see, not the ones passed on to the clients. She can pull out things like how we are told to vaccinate out pregnant mares before the foal is born (to pass on the immunity) but ZERO research (according to her) has been done on the safety and efficacy on PREGNANT mares.
We in fact, do NOT have ALL the scientific data on how vaccines may negatively affect people over a lifetime. You and I Doc, are the guinea pig generation, the first to receive a battery of childhood vaccinations, and we are not done. Who knows how those vaccinations may have affected our health over the years? Look at the rise in Cancers, heart disease, Diabetes, Hypertension, Fibromyalgia, the veritable army of folks on antidepressants. There is no telling at this point if any of those increases could be connected to vaccines in one way or another.
Me? I am glad that I grew up when I got Mumps, Chicken Pox etc, instead of the vaccines. I will refuse to get Flu shots, Shingles Vax (already had Shingles) and whatever other late in life vaccines they are trying to push on us. I know several, well educated (in medical field) folks who agree and have had several tell me they almost DIED from the Pneumonia vax. I will exercise my right to choose unless they can give a CONVINCING argument to do otherwise.
The sanest advice I have heard about vaccines comes from another vet. Vaccinate for what is deadly or commonly crippling and debilitating and skip the rest. I survived Mumps, measles, Chicken Pox with no lingering effects except a stronger immunity against said disease than a vax can give me. Likewise the horses I had a kid that never got a flu or strangles shot. I personally want to vaccinate my horses for tetanus and Encephalitis (multiple), but it is almost impossible to find single strain vaccines. That's it...well maybe Rabies but that is a VERY reactive vax that can be every hard on a horse (or dog, but the Law requires it). I keep my eyes and ears open for outbreaks of things like West Nile and would reconsider if it looked like my horses actually had a chance to become infected.
All I can say is I am really glad that I don't have a kid. I would be facing fight to at the very least spread the vaccinations over a more reasonable time span rather than overwhelm their tiny little bodies with what is it now, 70 some childhood vaccinations and boosters?
I really like the old saying "Everything in moderation".
Good Christ. It's a comic book, not a scientific treatise.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nita - 2017-04-19 11:26 PM
I have a hard time believing that, in this day and age, the medical community can't figure out how to detect autism and if there is a risk for an individual child taking the MMR vaccine. Of course, they would have to first admit that there is a connection.
They should at least make the separate vaccines available, I know there is a demand for it.
I understand that the companies have done studies where thousands of children show no ill effects so they conclude that the vacs don't cause autism. But, the information available to the casual internet user is pretty compelling. It's seems hard to deny that it DOES effect SOME kids. The manufacturers seem to be ignoring the evidence, though and that makes me not trust them.
The theory l've read that made the most sense to me was that, yes, these kids were most likely going to have autism anyway. But, the MMR vaccine caused an earlier onset and more severe case of it. There are just too many parents whose kids developed autism immediately after receiving this vaccine.
I believe in vaccines. Just don't want to do them all at the same time. It's more expemsive, but I'd rather spread them out to make it safer. It just seemed wrong to do something I knew was likely to make my kid sick. I just can't understand why they won't make separate vacs available when I ask for them.
The key phrase here is: "the information available to the casual internet user......."
Therein lies the problem with the internet. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings (1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. "
I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child.
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| Vickie - 2017-04-19 8:47 PM
When I was growing up we got our immune systems going as soon as our mothers put us down. From siblings, neighbors and playing in the dirt. Unfortunately for many that is no longer true. I totally agree that vaccines need research (shame funding is being cut off) and improvement, but now, for most, they are necessary. For the one child who may have had an adverse reaction and the other who may be able to blame a problem on a vaccine, 1,000 lives were saved worldwide by vaccinations. Do you remember Polio? Guess why not? Because a vaccine eliminated it in this country.
When you look at this issue as a parent you should look at it as playing the odds with you and your neighbor's children's lives in the balance. What are you willing to bet? Have you asked your friends and neighbors and your child's classmates parents if they approve of your bet
This is one time I know of a use for charter schools, in California there has been a big increase in sick children at charters because like minded, non-vac parents have grouped together.
I SOOOO agree with this!! I was on the " Rodeo" road from birth ( Literally) and I got to play in the dirt, drink from random hoses, play under the grand stands, share soda pop with a million other kids, go to carnivals, etc.. Knock on wood, I NEVER EVER EVER get sick. Not so much as a runny nose while everyone esle around me goes down hill fast. LOl My vet says the same thing as above, vaccinate for what your horse is likely to become exposed to. Why is it that humans get vaccinated as children but horses need it every year????? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM
Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. " I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child.
Who says they are "immune debilitating"? How so? Explain how vaccinations are "debilitating" to the immune system.
On the contrary, they amplify the immune system. That's how they work. You folks need to stop listening to Jenny McCarthy. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Bear - 2017-04-20 11:03 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. "
I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child. Who says they are "immune debilitating"? How so? Explain how vaccinations are "debilitating" to the immune system. On the contrary, they amplify the immune system. That's how they work. You folks need to stop listening to Jenny McCarthy.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1DSoon - 2017-04-20 11:40 AM
Bear - 2017-04-20 11:03 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. "
I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child. Who says they are "immune debilitating"? How so? Explain how vaccinations are "debilitating" to the immune system. On the contrary, they amplify the immune system. That's how they work. You folks need to stop listening to Jenny McCarthy.
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM
Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. " I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child.
Good lord, that list is insane! I was always the mom who wouldn't get the vaccines until they set a suspension date at school. My daughter would get high temperatures a day or so after her vaccines, not just 100 degrees but 104. I would call the doctor in a panic at night when they came on, he would tell me to wipe her down with a tepid wash cloth and give her tylenol and by the next morning when he opened his office, she would have no fever. He couldn't explain it, then when she was 6 months old she had a seizure, thankfully not a grand mal, but scarey none the less and had a couple a year thereafter, some were grand mal. Never found out why. This lead me to really space out her vaccines. The doctor agreed with me. I did the same for my son and he never had any problems. I don't know if the vaccines had anything to do with her fevers, but they didn't start until she started her vaccines at 2 months. My kids were vaccinated but only the bare minimum. They were outdoor ranch kids and were always healthier than their classmates. I honestly don't know who to believe. It's hard to trust pharmacy companies, but there is no question the polio and small pox vaccines worked for most people.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | GLP - 2017-04-20 12:12 PM
IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM
Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. " I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child.
Good lord, that list is insane! I was always the mom who wouldn't get the vaccines until they set a suspension date at school. My daughter would get high temperatures a day or so after her vaccines, not just 100 degrees but 104. I would call the doctor in a panic at night when they came on, he would tell me to wipe her down with a tepid wash cloth and give her tylenol and by the next morning when he opened his office, she would have no fever. He couldn't explain it, then when she was 6 months old she had a seizure, thankfully not a grand mal, but scarey none the less and had a couple a year thereafter, some were grand mal. Never found out why. This lead me to really space out her vaccines. The doctor agreed with me. I did the same for my son and he never had any problems. I don't know if the vaccines had anything to do with her fevers, but they didn't start until she started her vaccines at 2 months. My kids were vaccinated but only the bare minimum. They were outdoor ranch kids and were always healthier than their classmates. I honestly don't know who to believe. It's hard to trust pharmacy companies, but there is no question the polio and small pox vaccines worked for most people.
My baby just had a seizure Monday. Very scary. It had nothing to do with vaccines, epilepsy, or any such thing. It was grand mal or tonic/clonic as they call them now. It lasted about 45 seconds.
The cause was . . . a rapid increase in fever. She has strep. If a baby has a temperature that climbs rapidly for pretty much any reason, they can experience these. Happen in about 4% of kids I guess. They are called febrile seizures and are most common in children between 6 months and 5 years of age.
It is is not uncommon for vaccines to cause a fever. I guess in children, while rare, it is not unknown for fevers to cause seizures. Febrile seizures are supposed to have no nasty long term effects I have been told (thank god), but we will be watching our little girl in future any time she gets sick to manage the fever more appropriately.
My mother who is a nurse says a tepid water bath is one of the BEST and quickest ways to get a temperature down so you were told correctly. I am surprised though that they did explain about febrile seizures to you as that is what it sounds like she had.
I do know certain vaccines can cause major issues if you have certain genes. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Big Pharma has done some rotten things and people have been ripped off by big pharma at times, no doubt about it. On the other hand, were it not for big pharma, some of us wouldn't be alive. That's just a fact. I have news for you folks. This is true of practically all large corporations in the U.S. That same "greed factor" that has resulted in price gouging and rip offs is also responsible for excellence. Let that sink in for a while. Hopefully, vigilance, free market capitalism, and free speech all help to insure that the good far outweighs the bad. | |
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| oija - 2017-04-20 12:18 PM
GLP - 2017-04-20 12:12 PM
IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM
Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. " I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child.
Good lord, that list is insane! I was always the mom who wouldn't get the vaccines until they set a suspension date at school. My daughter would get high temperatures a day or so after her vaccines, not just 100 degrees but 104. I would call the doctor in a panic at night when they came on, he would tell me to wipe her down with a tepid wash cloth and give her tylenol and by the next morning when he opened his office, she would have no fever. He couldn't explain it, then when she was 6 months old she had a seizure, thankfully not a grand mal, but scarey none the less and had a couple a year thereafter, some were grand mal. Never found out why. This lead me to really space out her vaccines. The doctor agreed with me. I did the same for my son and he never had any problems. I don't know if the vaccines had anything to do with her fevers, but they didn't start until she started her vaccines at 2 months. My kids were vaccinated but only the bare minimum. They were outdoor ranch kids and were always healthier than their classmates. I honestly don't know who to believe. It's hard to trust pharmacy companies, but there is no question the polio and small pox vaccines worked for most people.
My baby just had a seizure Monday. Very scary. It had nothing to do with vaccines, epilepsy, or any such thing. It was grand mal or tonic/clonic as they call them now. It lasted about 45 seconds.
The cause was . . . a rapid increase in fever. She has strep. If a baby has a temperature that climbs rapidly for pretty much any reason, they can experience these. Happen in about 4% of kids I guess. They are called febrile seizures and are most common in children between 6 months and 5 years of age.
It is is not uncommon for vaccines to cause a fever. I guess in children, while rare, it is not unknown for fevers to cause seizures. Febrile seizures are supposed to have no nasty long term effects I have been told (thank god ), but we will be watching our little girl in future any time she gets sick to manage the fever more appropriately.
My mother who is a nurse says a tepid water bath is one of the BEST and quickest ways to get a temperature down so you were told correctly. I am surprised though that they did explain about febrile seizures to you as that is what it sounds like she had.
I do know certain vaccines can cause major issues if you have certain genes.
She didn't have a fever before or after her seizure. It was probably several days after the vaccinations and high fever. Hers were never connected to a fever. We went to 3 diffferent neuro doctors, one in Houston. She had several EEG's over a couple of years. When they put her on anti seizure meds, she actually increased her seizure episodes and the intensity was more also. She passed every neuro test they gave her with flying colors. This is a kid who talked complete sentences at a very early age and walked early, too. None of the doctors had a clue why she was having them. Taking her off seizure meds helped. She actually out grew them. She is 30 and hasn't had one since she was 24.
This was back in 1986 when they started and the doctors told me we would likely never know what caused them. It was strange because they were only a couple times a year and gradually just stopped. | |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | GLP - 2017-04-20 12:28 PM
oija - 2017-04-20 12:18 PM
GLP - 2017-04-20 12:12 PM
IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM
Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. " I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child.
Good lord, that list is insane! I was always the mom who wouldn't get the vaccines until they set a suspension date at school. My daughter would get high temperatures a day or so after her vaccines, not just 100 degrees but 104. I would call the doctor in a panic at night when they came on, he would tell me to wipe her down with a tepid wash cloth and give her tylenol and by the next morning when he opened his office, she would have no fever. He couldn't explain it, then when she was 6 months old she had a seizure, thankfully not a grand mal, but scarey none the less and had a couple a year thereafter, some were grand mal. Never found out why. This lead me to really space out her vaccines. The doctor agreed with me. I did the same for my son and he never had any problems. I don't know if the vaccines had anything to do with her fevers, but they didn't start until she started her vaccines at 2 months. My kids were vaccinated but only the bare minimum. They were outdoor ranch kids and were always healthier than their classmates. I honestly don't know who to believe. It's hard to trust pharmacy companies, but there is no question the polio and small pox vaccines worked for most people.
My baby just had a seizure Monday. Very scary. It had nothing to do with vaccines, epilepsy, or any such thing. It was grand mal or tonic/clonic as they call them now. It lasted about 45 seconds.
The cause was . . . a rapid increase in fever. She has strep. If a baby has a temperature that climbs rapidly for pretty much any reason, they can experience these. Happen in about 4% of kids I guess. They are called febrile seizures and are most common in children between 6 months and 5 years of age.
It is is not uncommon for vaccines to cause a fever. I guess in children, while rare, it is not unknown for fevers to cause seizures. Febrile seizures are supposed to have no nasty long term effects I have been told (thank god ), but we will be watching our little girl in future any time she gets sick to manage the fever more appropriately.
My mother who is a nurse says a tepid water bath is one of the BEST and quickest ways to get a temperature down so you were told correctly. I am surprised though that they did explain about febrile seizures to you as that is what it sounds like she had.
I do know certain vaccines can cause major issues if you have certain genes.
She didn't have a fever before or after her seizure. It was probably several days after the vaccinations and high fever. Hers were never connected to a fever. We went to 3 diffferent neuro doctors, one in Houston. She had several EEG's over a couple of years. When they put her on anti seizure meds, she actually increased her seizure episodes and the intensity was more also. She passed every neuro test they gave her with flying colors. This is a kid who talked complete sentences at a very early age and walked early, too. None of the doctors had a clue why she was having them. Taking her off seizure meds helped. She actually out grew them. She is 30 and hasn't had one since she was 24.
This was back in 1986 when they started and the doctors told me we would likely never know what caused them. It was strange because they were only a couple times a year and gradually just stopped.
Ah I misread your sequence of events. That is very scary but also possible. Thankfully my daughter has never had any seizures after her vaccines. The seizure she had Monday was plenty scary though. They tested her glucose and heart rate. They haven't called for any more tests yet as it can be clearly traced to the fever. If she has more, it may be necessary though. | |
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