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| I really need some help. I'm in the middle of the busiest part of rodeo season of the year. But recently things have fallen apart. I will post our last 4-5 runs in order. This horse is my problem child, quirky, and having issue after issue. However, he has had a very thorough vet check in the last month, lameness, scope, (mental coordination, can't remember what it's called), teeth, chiro. He feels amazing warming up, collected and perfect in slow work and practice runs. He's had some increasingly bad gate issues which were resolved completely when I took him off of Platinum supplement.
Video 1. His first run of the year is always his best. Every time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5AgdydzWrA
Video 2-3. A couple typical runs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIE2GQkWA5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iXgyXKk5y0
Video 4. we knock quite often due to me pulling too much on the backside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU-O5t2HlMg
Video 5. I tried to push him past the barrel and this happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbbdi6ioWM
Run 6: I really regret not having a video of this but the day after run 5, he ran in like a freight train and I picked up to turn 3-4 strides before the barrel and felt resistance and checked him up, he fought harder and went to the fence on 1st, then made a diagonal to the left side of the 2nd barrel and towards the alley. There was no stopping him.
I have no idea what to do at this point. Never had this kind of issue before! Any help is greatly appreciated! |
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| Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore. |
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Duct Tape Bikini Girl
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| Behavior definitely indicates pain. Have his front hooves been xrayed for possible navicular issues? Checked for ulcers? |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-07-03 7:52 PM
Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore.
This spring I took him to a barrel race and he acted p!ssed for about an hour after the run. tail swishing, kicking, pawing. The next rodeo he bucked the whole way home. I don't know why I didn't connect the two. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Have you changed any tack on him, saddle,cinch, different shoer? |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 7:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-07-03 7:52 PM Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore. This spring I took him to a barrel race and he acted p!ssed for about an hour after the run. tail swishing, kicking, pawing. The next rodeo he bucked the whole way home. I don't know why I didn't connect the two.
Sounds like Uclers if he was doing all that. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-07-03 8:03 PM
Have you changed any tack on him, saddle,cinch, different shoer?
Nope, nothing has changed. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-07-03 8:07 PM
IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 7:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-07-03 7:52 PM Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore. This spring I took him to a barrel race and he acted p!ssed for about an hour after the run. tail swishing, kicking, pawing. The next rodeo he bucked the whole way home. I don't know why I didn't connect the two.
That's what I thought also, but his scope was clean and the vet said hindgut ulcers only happen when a horse has been on bute for a long time. |
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| On run 5 it just looked to be like you got past it and over corrected and pulled him on the wrong side. I have seen this a few times, it isn't the horse being bad just snaps back around to quick. |
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| IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 8:15 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-07-03 8:07 PM
IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 7:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-07-03 7:52 PM Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore. This spring I took him to a barrel race and he acted p!ssed for about an hour after the run. tail swishing, kicking, pawing. The next rodeo he bucked the whole way home. I don't know why I didn't connect the two.
That's what I thought also, but his scope was clean and the vet said hindgut ulcers only happen when a horse has been on bute for a long time.
Nope, I have a filly who has never been on bute, but who developed hindgut ulcers per my vet. Treated for them and she was good to go. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GLP - 2017-07-03 8:40 PM IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 8:15 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-07-03 8:07 PM IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 7:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-07-03 7:52 PM Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore. This spring I took him to a barrel race and he acted p!ssed for about an hour after the run. tail swishing, kicking, pawing. The next rodeo he bucked the whole way home. I don't know why I didn't connect the two. That's what I thought also, but his scope was clean and the vet said hindgut ulcers only happen when a horse has been on bute for a long time. Nope, I have a filly who has never been on bute, but who developed hindgut ulcers per my vet. Treated for them and she was good to go.
Well what ever is going on with this horse I hope that you get it figured out, looks like a nice one  |
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Location: Sweet Home Alabama | GLP - 2017-07-03 8:40 PM
IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 8:15 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-07-03 8:07 PM
IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 7:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-07-03 7:52 PM Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore. This spring I took him to a barrel race and he acted p!ssed for about an hour after the run. tail swishing, kicking, pawing. The next rodeo he bucked the whole way home. I don't know why I didn't connect the two.
That's what I thought also, but his scope was clean and the vet said hindgut ulcers only happen when a horse has been on bute for a long time.
Nope, I have a filly who has never been on bute, but who developed hindgut ulcers per my vet. Treated for them and she was good to go.
How do you treat hindgut ulcers? I've heard omprezole doesn't do anything for them. But I read that on the internet so not really a viable source.... |
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| There's a product called Succeed that I've heard good things about for ulcers including hindgut.
What does his feeding program look like?
If you feel you've thoroughly gone through the lameness search, try a bag of MagRestore and cutting back on starch and sugar in feed. We have one it's made 180* of difference in, including how long he holds a chiro adjustment and really settled some of the quirks down - he's still our special child, but he is a lot more level now. We don't know if he is PSSM, although he has suspects on his papers, but he at least seems to be starch/sugar intolerant and magnesium deficient. Some of his issues on the pattern included increasingly bad gate issues and blowing completely off the second barrel sideways towards the first. |
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Location: South Dakota | Omeprazole does not work for hindgut ulcers...Succeed works very good, get the Vet Strength paste if possible for 30 day treatment. Also Gastrix, which is available from some vets and online, works good along with the Succeed. When my mare was diagnosed with hindgut ulcers, she had mild colic, off her feed, and explosive diarrhea. Zesterra is another product which helps the digestive system. |
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| IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 8:15 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-07-03 8:07 PM
IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 7:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-07-03 7:52 PM Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore. This spring I took him to a barrel race and he acted p!ssed for about an hour after the run. tail swishing, kicking, pawing. The next rodeo he bucked the whole way home. I don't know why I didn't connect the two.
That's what I thought also, but his scope was clean and the vet said hindgut ulcers only happen when a horse has been on bute for a long time.
Had a horse with hind gut ulcers that never had bute. Took about a year to get him well. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | I agree bleeding would be my first guess and then ulcers...and if it continues after you have addressed those then id be getting some legs and feet xrayed...oxygen has a good ulcer supp....the run that you hit barrels was you. ..looked like you dropped your outside rein way to soon....and it also looks like hes popping his front leads could be something....
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Location: Opelousas, LA | IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 7:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-07-03 7:52 PM Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore. This spring I took him to a barrel race and he acted p!ssed for about an hour after the run. tail swishing, kicking, pawing. The next rodeo he bucked the whole way home. I don't know why I didn't connect the two.
Have you had his back x-rayed? That particular issue sounds like kissing spine. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Barnmom - 2017-07-04 11:56 AM IowaCanChaser - 2017-07-03 7:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-07-03 7:52 PM Only thing i can think of is bleeding. Sometimes horses will kind of run off if they think they will bleed. Sometimes horses, for whatever reason just don't like their jobs anymore to. I had a horse that was awesome awesome awesome and he just decided he didn't want to be a barrel horse anymore. This spring I took him to a barrel race and he acted p!ssed for about an hour after the run. tail swishing, kicking, pawing. The next rodeo he bucked the whole way home. I don't know why I didn't connect the two.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | His first run of the year always being his best tells me something has been bothering him for a while, gets worse the more runs/ hauling he has. That could be anything from bleeding, ulcers to lameness. Also tells me he wants to be a good boy, just finally can't any more. Sorry thats not much help but I would sure start with his back, easy to rule out. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Barnmom - 2017-07-04 12:16 PM His first run of the year always being his best tells me something has been bothering him for a while, gets worse the more runs/ hauling he has. That could be anything from bleeding, ulcers to lameness. Also tells me he wants to be a good boy, just finally can't any more. Sorry thats not much help but I would sure start with his back, easy to rule out.
I agree. He looks like he is really wanting to please but physically can't.
I would treat for hind gut ulcers (Won't hurt.)
Then I would check for bleeding.
After those two were addressed I would check for kissing spine.
If all of those three things aren't your problem, I would turn out for a good 90 days and slowly bring him back after 90 days. He may just be burnt out. If after the 90 days you still have the same problems I would change his job...  |
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