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| I am desperate for suggestions on how to deal with a chronic front shoe puller. Has any one dealt with one and what did you do that helped? He has weak hooves, we are working on that. I use Keratex hoof hardener and bell boots but he overreaches and pulls them clean off. I am open to all suggestions except to get a new farrier. I have had 3 different farriers with this horse and my current guy is fabulous. He is short backed, long strided, nothing I can do about his conformation. TIA!!
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| New farrier immediately. Aluminum shoes on front with fine nails and A very long time with great patience |
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| streakysox - 2017-07-11 8:27 PM
New farrier immediately. Aluminum shoes on front with fine nails and A very long time with great patience
I have only been using my current farrier for about 6 months now and he is fantastic. This horses hooves are the best they have ever been since he started shoeing him so I am not changing farriers. Thank you for the suggestion on the aluminum shoes though, I had thought about that myself and wondered if it would help. |
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Location: Texas | Is there any way he can shorten the toe? Is he putting a mustang roll on it so that it will break over faster than without? In my experience horses typically only overreach if their toes are too long for them to move properly. |
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| Mrs.Stepniak - 2017-07-11 8:37 PM
streakysox - 2017-07-11 8:27 PM
New farrier immediately. Aluminum shoes on front with fine nails and A very long time with great patience
I have only been using my current farrier for about 6 months now and he is fantastic. This horses hooves are the best they have ever been since he started shoeing him so I am not changing farriers. Thank you for the suggestion on the aluminum shoes though, I had thought about that myself and wondered if it would help.
My trainer used the best farrier around here and my horse could not keep her left front on. Trainer decided to change. I went with her the first time she took my horse. I told the guy my objectives were to keep her sound and knock a couple of tenths of a second off. He accomplished that and her shoe stays on now. Hasn't pulled one off since. Trainer drives 4 hours and it costs $200 but is well worth it. The quickest way to have an injury is improper shoeing. This horse runs at the top of the 1D with 400 to 500 entries and the small changes made did knock off several tenths of a second.
By any chance was the horse pulling a shoe before 6 months ago?
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Location: Texas | I've had that problem. New farrier fixed it. Basically, the farrier has to speed up the front breakover (less toe), and slow down the hinds (slower breakover-longer toe). If that doesn't work, he can square off his hind feet toes (would not be my first choice). |
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Location: Nebraska | Bell boots 24/7 can help too |
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| streakysox - 2017-07-11 11:14 PM
Mrs.Stepniak - 2017-07-11 8:37 PM
streakysox - 2017-07-11 8:27 PM
New farrier immediately. Aluminum shoes on front with fine nails and A very long time with great patience
I have only been using my current farrier for about 6 months now and he is fantastic. This horses hooves are the best they have ever been since he started shoeing him so I am not changing farriers. Thank you for the suggestion on the aluminum shoes though, I had thought about that myself and wondered if it would help.
My trainer used the best farrier around here and my horse could not keep her left front on. Trainer decided to change. I went with her the first time she took my horse. I told the guy my objectives were to keep her sound and knock a couple of tenths of a second off. He accomplished that and her shoe stays on now. Hasn't pulled one off since. Trainer drives 4 hours and it costs $200 but is well worth it. The quickest way to have an injury is improper shoeing. This horse runs at the top of the 1D with 400 to 500 entries and the small changes made did knock off several tenths of a second.
By any chance was the horse pulling a shoe before 6 months ago?
Yes he has been pulling shoes for much longer than 6 months and I've used 3 different farriers
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| brlracerchick - 2017-07-12 1:28 AM
Bell boots 24/7 can help too
He pulls them even with bell boots...im thinking of trying Shoe Secures or quarter boots underneath regular bell boots |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | One of my horses continually loses his front shoes and it's not the farrier. I've been through a ton of farriers and it doesn't matter WHO I use. He has terrible quality feet. I just restarted him on Biotin 100 from Nanric. The stuff is gold. You can practically see their feet growing before your eyes. But anyway, I finally pulled his shoes the last time he lost a front because it's not good for his feet to keep ripping them off. And not fair to the farrier to have to keep coming back. He's tenderfooted. But I'm not barrel racing him. Or riding him. And it's very soft outside. We're sandy and pretty rock-free. If I WAS going to try to barrel race him, I'd ride him in Easy Boots or some other kind of protective boot during exercise and take them off before a run because the arenas are soft so he'd be okay there and I wouldn't feel comfortable actually racing in the Easy Boot. Maybe you're going to have to give up and try something like that? |
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| SmokinBandits - 2017-07-12 7:37 AM
One of my horses continually loses his front shoes and it's not the farrier. I've been through a ton of farriers and it doesn't matter WHO I use. He has terrible quality feet. I just restarted him on Biotin 100 from Nanric. The stuff is gold. You can practically see their feet growing before your eyes. But anyway, I finally pulled his shoes the last time he lost a front because it's not good for his feet to keep ripping them off. And not fair to the farrier to have to keep coming back. He's tenderfooted. But I'm not barrel racing him. Or riding him. And it's very soft outside. We're sandy and pretty rock-free. If I WAS going to try to barrel race him, I'd ride him in Easy Boots or some other kind of protective boot during exercise and take them off before a run because the arenas are soft so he'd be okay there and I wouldn't feel comfortable actually racing in the Easy Boot. Maybe you're going to have to give up and try something like that?
I wish going barefoot was an option but he needs corrective shoeing for a wonky front hoof |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | I also recommend a new farrier. I know you said this one has been doing well but, I also had a front shoe puller. 4 times in a in a row, same shoe, and all within just under 2 months. He hot shod, put clips on, lived with bell boots on and that still didnt help. My farrier(at the time) said not his fault. I switched farriers and he hasnt pulled a shoe since, and that was over 2 years ago. Now he doesnt have to live with bell boots on anymore either. I do keep him on DAC foundation formula and that has helped so much, but switching farriers is whats helped the most. |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Unfortunately, a new farrier is also my suggestion. My last two have been good...really good. But my good horse was a chronic shoe puller, and I just thought it was his big stride. It was so bad for a while that I was literally duct taping the heel bulb so that it was harder for him to catch his shoe, and I counted shoes after every run and every time I brought him in from the turnout (always turned out in bell boots). I'd have to have a shoe reset usually at least once in every set of shoes. My current farrier is really, REALLY good. He sets him back and squares and rolls his toes. He's been shoeing this horse about 9 months now and we've not had to reset a single pulled shoe. |
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| Does your horse have hind shoes? I had a horse that would pull a front shoe every time we left him barefoot on the hind end. If he had shoes on then he wouldn't pull. Also, if you go with aluminum I would recommend a pad, I had a horse have a terrible time in aluminum shoes without pads. Don't know if it was reaction to the aluminum or the vibrations, but she was dead lame with them. Took them off and she was fine. Happened on two separate occasions with two different farriers. |
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Location: Wyoming | Square off his toes in the hind end, put him on a pure biotin supplement (the most that is recommended on the directions) and look into wedge shoes on the front. Kirkharts specifically.
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Location: Texas | Mrs.Stepniak - 2017-07-12 8:05 AM SmokinBandits - 2017-07-12 7:37 AM One of my horses continually loses his front shoes and it's not the farrier. I've been through a ton of farriers and it doesn't matter WHO I use. He has terrible quality feet. I just restarted him on Biotin 100 from Nanric. The stuff is gold. You can practically see their feet growing before your eyes. But anyway, I finally pulled his shoes the last time he lost a front because it's not good for his feet to keep ripping them off. And not fair to the farrier to have to keep coming back. He's tenderfooted. But I'm not barrel racing him. Or riding him. And it's very soft outside. We're sandy and pretty rock-free. If I WAS going to try to barrel race him, I'd ride him in Easy Boots or some other kind of protective boot during exercise and take them off before a run because the arenas are soft so he'd be okay there and I wouldn't feel comfortable actually racing in the Easy Boot. Maybe you're going to have to give up and try something like that? I wish going barefoot was an option but he needs corrective shoeing for a wonky front hoof
Unless the corrective shoeing is for a club foot, I doubt correction is helping him. It may be what's hurting him. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Curious as to what the wonky foot does? Is it a club foot? Is that the shoe he pulls? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Do you have any pictures of your horses hooves? I would like to see how his fronts look since you said hes got problems with them. |
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| A good barefoot trimmer should be able to correct a wonky hoof without shoes.
My little man was s chronic puller through 3 or 4 farriers. We gave up and he runs barefoot just fine. |
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| ~BINGO~ - 2017-07-12 10:10 AM
Curious as to what the wonky foot does? Is it a club foot? Is that the shoe he pulls?
It's his right front, he had absolutely no heel, long toe, very neglected hooves when I got him. After nearly two years his hoof has improved so much but he still needs more heel and he has a flare that looks like was never corrected in the past so that is slowly improving as well. He is dead lame without shoes so I've obviously never tried going barefoot. He tends to pull the right shoe often but I honestly think he had pulled his left front just as much. My newest farrier did say his left front looks a little clubby |
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