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| ***kinda long bare with me.
I have had this mare for 7 years. I know her ins and her outs. She is a 13 year old QHx. I have been hauling and pattering her for close to 3 years. Taking it slow, doing a lot of slow work, making sure that I keep her mind centered because I know she has a very sensitive one. She has recently started to rear, last year it was a few pop ups, but nothing horrible. She would just let the nerves get the best of her and pop up some. Well it stopped and she began to focus again, up until about 5 weeks ago.
I have started running her this year, actually pushing for speed and making runs. Our last run she made out fastest time we've ever had in the arena we were at. First race went fine, warmed up like we always have done and she went in and made a run. Second race, she started to get a little hoppy. 3rd race she is now rearing, launching and taking off. I pull her into a couple of one rein stops to redirect her feet etc. She ripped her head away so quickly, reared and launched forward that I came off, walked her into the holding pen when we went to run. She made a fantastic run. Fast forward to last Thursday, which was the 4th race of the saddle series and I am trying to avoid doing anything to cause her to go up. We parked in a different spot, lunged her for a good 15 minutes before getting on, let her stand at the trailer and then walk up into the warm up pen, made our fastest run.
I never drill her at home, I don't even have the proper set up for a pattern. So we trail ride when we don't do circle work(which I don't do even once a week) we also have started drill team practice, I figured that would give her something else to think about. Last night while we were at practice she was fine until we were 3/4ths of the way over with it. When I had asked her to slow her gate, she got angry went to side stepping, then started to take off etc. She's also the kinda mare that will lock up and I mean lock up. She's one you could beat on all day(figuratively). I wasn't having any luck trying to move her feet etc. So a friend who is a horse trainer asked if I needed her to get on. She got on and no sooner did she get on and start asking for her head and her feet. She literally reared up and threw herself backwards. It wasn't a loss of balance, she threw herself back. She got back up, both were fine. She continued to work her and by the end of the short blow up session she was back to herself and riding fine.
This mare has never been light in the front end before. She has the softest face, I am not heavy handed. She moves off your leg, side passes, pivots etc. I mean she is pretty much what you'd call fancy broke. She doesn't seem sore anywhere, no tail swishing, no flinching, not harder to catch etc. She never refuses to load in the trailer or go in the gate at a barrel race. Her gaits are the same, walk, trot, lope no changes. She doesn't have ulcers etc.
I am having her chiropracticed today, hopefully that will help. I'm not sure if its attitude or something pain wise. I had a accident in 2013 where a training horse I had reared and flipped with me and she broke my femur. I was out of riding for a good 8 months. Rearing horses just don't set well with me anymore. More to the point, I'm devastated its my own horse now. I'm kinda at a loss if I can't figure out what it is....
Wondering if anyone could give me some advice etc? | |
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  Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | It sounds like a pain issue to me. My friends horse just started rearing and lunging in the gate about a month ago. Thought she was only gonna be a one run horse since she normally only does it on a second or third run. She took her to the vet and she had a ton of fluid in her right hock. Got her hocks done just last week so we will see how she does this weekend at our show. Id start with the chiro, then a massage and go from there. Somethings just not right. Teeth maybe? | |
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| There's no excuse for a rearing horse except pain. Get a good lameness vet to look at her after chiro. | |
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   Location: LA Lower Alabama | That screams pain but finding it is going to be tough. Start with simple things like feet and teeth. If your chiro is any good they may point some other areas as well. Good luck! | |
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     Location: Windoming | I disagree that a rearing horse is always in pain. I owned one that used rearing as his escape since the day he was born. Any situation he did not like, he would flip himself over, no matter where he was. Did it in the corral, in the trailer, in the barn. The first four years I rode him, he never did rear with me on him. Then he did. I took him to a new place, he was scared, insecure and whinnying like a fool. I did the one rein stop with him each time he whinnied, until he got tired of it and flipped over so fast I couldn't even react. Then he just stood there, relieved. I think back on it and wish now I had really gotten his feet moving instead. He went to the killer pen, no second chances, because of his history. I rode another horse that had a habit of rearing. Belonged to a friend who forgot to tell me about his rearing problem. He learned that she would get off if he reared, so when he was ready to call it quits, he would just rear with her. I rode him for a few months, spanked him when he reared, and he stopped rearing. I never felt like he would flip over. Wish they were all that easy! Have you tried giving your horse B-1 or calming supplements? Sounds like she is just super anxious. | |
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       Location: North Dakota | I agree to have the chiro check her, and I would also have a good vet check her over. Also check saddle fit and teeth.
The answer is not always pain, sometimes it's just behavioral, but it's important to at least look for pain before proceeding.
With the rearing, you always need to catch it before they actually go up and find a way to re-direct them and keep them in forward motion. | |
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| Silly Filly - 2017-07-20 10:59 AM
I disagree that a rearing horse is always in pain. I owned one that used rearing as his escape since the day he was born. Any situation he did not like, he would flip himself over, no matter where he was. Did it in the corral, in the trailer, in the barn. The first four years I rode him, he never did rear with me on him. Then he did. I took him to a new place, he was scared, insecure and whinnying like a fool. I did the one rein stop with him each time he whinnied, until he got tired of it and flipped over so fast I couldn't even react. Then he just stood there, relieved. I think back on it and wish now I had really gotten his feet moving instead. He went to the killer pen, no second chances, because of his history. I rode another horse that had a habit of rearing. Belonged to a friend who forgot to tell me about his rearing problem. He learned that she would get off if he reared, so when he was ready to call it quits, he would just rear with her. I rode him for a few months, spanked him when he reared, and he stopped rearing. I never felt like he would flip over. Wish they were all that easy! Have you tried giving your horse B-1 or calming supplements? Sounds like she is just super anxious.
I've had her on AE detox for over a year, it has helped. Last race I started her on I'm The Zone. Bought some magrestore and I'm gonna pack that in too. After I came off and after she flipped with my friend. Neither time Did she take off. She just stood there and was like 'Well that's done' but didn't do anything. However when she flipped. She reared and launched twice more but didn't go nearly as high then calmed right back down. So I dont know if it was a blow up or pain. | |
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     Location: Texas | I definitely think you're moving in the right direction having a chiropractor come out and work on her. Really sounds like a pain issue to me. Make sure you have an extremely thorough exam done on your mare, tooth to tail. Get more than two opinions if possible by reputable vets. Also make sure your tack still properly fits and you don't have any screws coming loose on your saddle. On the other hand, horses are extremely lazy creatures by nature. I have seen and worked with horses who have figured out that if they rear up their riders get scared/intimidated and step off of them, thus the horse is being rewarded for this behavior and learning to manipulate their way back to laziness and often get turned back out until the owner can "figure out why their angel acted that way". If you do find out that your horse is 100% sound, not in any pain, and your tack fits.. you need to make rearing up an extremely bad experience for your horse, and you need to catch her right as she is about to go up. Put as much hurt on her as possible. I'm sure some people will disagree with me and tell you that you need to find a trainer but if this behavior is exclusive with you that means she's pushing your buttons and she's got you intimidated. Anyways I hope my novel makes sense. Best of luck to you and BE SAFE! | |
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| RacingTheArabian - 2017-07-20 10:03 AM
***kinda long bare with me.
I have had this mare for 7 years. I know her ins and her outs. She is a 13 year old QHx. I have been hauling and pattering her for close to 3 years. Taking it slow, doing a lot of slow work, making sure that I keep her mind centered because I know she has a very sensitive one. She has recently started to rear, last year it was a few pop ups, but nothing horrible. She would just let the nerves get the best of her and pop up some. Well it stopped and she began to focus again, up until about 5 weeks ago.
I have started running her this year, actually pushing for speed and making runs. Our last run she made out fastest time we've ever had in the arena we were at. First race went fine, warmed up like we always have done and she went in and made a run. Second race, she started to get a little hoppy. 3rd race she is now rearing, launching and taking off. I pull her into a couple of one rein stops to redirect her feet etc. She ripped her head away so quickly, reared and launched forward that I came off, walked her into the holding pen when we went to run. She made a fantastic run. Fast forward to last Thursday, which was the 4th race of the saddle series and I am trying to avoid doing anything to cause her to go up. We parked in a different spot, lunged her for a good 15 minutes before getting on, let her stand at the trailer and then walk up into the warm up pen, made our fastest run.
I never drill her at home, I don't even have the proper set up for a pattern. So we trail ride when we don't do circle work(which I don't do even once a week) we also have started drill team practice, I figured that would give her something else to think about. Last night while we were at practice she was fine until we were 3/4ths of the way over with it. When I had asked her to slow her gate, she got angry went to side stepping, then started to take off etc. She's also the kinda mare that will lock up and I mean lock up. She's one you could beat on all day(figuratively). I wasn't having any luck trying to move her feet etc. So a friend who is a horse trainer asked if I needed her to get on. She got on and no sooner did she get on and start asking for her head and her feet. She literally reared up and threw herself backwards. It wasn't a loss of balance, she threw herself back. She got back up, both were fine. She continued to work her and by the end of the short blow up session she was back to herself and riding fine.
This mare has never been light in the front end before. She has the softest face, I am not heavy handed. She moves off your leg, side passes, pivots etc. I mean she is pretty much what you'd call fancy broke. She doesn't seem sore anywhere, no tail swishing, no flinching, not harder to catch etc. She never refuses to load in the trailer or go in the gate at a barrel race. Her gaits are the same, walk, trot, lope no changes. She doesn't have ulcers etc.
I am having her chiropracticed today, hopefully that will help. I'm not sure if its attitude or something pain wise. I had a accident in 2013 where a training horse I had reared and flipped with me and she broke my femur. I was out of riding for a good 8 months. Rearing horses just don't set well with me anymore. More to the point, I'm devastated its my own horse now. I'm kinda at a loss if I can't figure out what it is....
Wondering if anyone could give me some advice etc?
You said you just started really pushing her this year, so I wonder if you have upped the pressure every single run instead of gradually increasing the run this year. Maybe she needs you to back off for a run or two, then gradually start pushing her again.
Maybe you have increased the pressure too much too soon.
So maybe go back to 1/2 speed for a run or two and if she handles that well, increase to 3/4 speed for a couple runs and if needed back up or if she handles that, increase the speed a little more, etc. before asking for all she has.
Hope you get it figured out. | |
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| He told me even when he pressed on her pressure points she didn't even act sore except just slightly in above her hips. I know she's got a high pain tolerance, but for how out she was I'm surprised I couldn't tell anything different.
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| If you have no where to do drills at home, I am wondering if you are asking too much of her. That is the quickest way to get one acting up.
I had one rear up and fall over backwards with me--she had been brought along slowly and correctly but trainer said get rid of her. I sent her to the killer because I felt she had some mental issues. | |
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| i gonna be out on a limb, epm or ulcers try a couple of tubes of omeprizole see what happens | |
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| Agreeing with everyone else here...most likely these actions would be caused by pain. May be difficult trying to pinpoint exactly where it's coming from though =/ Good luck to you, fingers crossed and keep us updated! And most of all...please be safe! I did have a mare a long time ago, that vetted out completely fine. Never showed ANY signs of soreness, but was ALWAYS rearing before our runs. After all the lameness vets ruled out everything we thought possible, I just chalked it up to her being extremely hot and excitable. Plus, she would win just about everywhere we entered, so I didn't think too much of it! What we missed though...was we should have been checking 'within' instead of external. Turned out that she had a somewhat mild case of Equine Herpes Virus. It messed up her back after having it for a while. After finally detecting that, we immediately put her on medication for it. She ended up getting almost all mobility back and was back competing at the same level in a couple months! Not trying to scare you or anything! But it could be something you don't expect! And could be a simple fix =] Hugs! | |
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| RacingTheArabian - 2017-07-20 7:13 PM
He told me even when he pressed on her pressure points she didn't even act sore except just slightly in above her hips. I know she's got a high pain tolerance, but for how out she was I'm surprised I couldn't tell anything different.
From how bad your horse was out, I suggest xraying the hocks, my experience the pelvis goes out in response to horses not using their hind end properly. | |
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| flipper her over tie her up and leave her for an hr so let her up she do it again killer pen a flipper will kill u | |
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     Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Pull the shoes and xray the legs and feet. Have chiro work done. If clean a 2 cent bullet will take care of the issues. jk You may have a total communication issues. check bits and saddle/pad. pull off spurs if applies.
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If this horse is flipping on you are any body else I consider them a danger. | |
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| So you are trying to fix a horse that flipped as a "*&%$ you"? There are too many horses that will not risk their own lives to disobey a rider. You couldn't pay me enough to keep the horse alive, since I couldn't guarantee the horse would never leave my pasture and someone might try to ride it. (car wrecks happen, kids or parents sell off the stock. . . Things happen).
If you are hell bound and determined to try and fix the horse, I would give the half-empty beer bottle between the ears when the horse is antagonized into going up a try, since you say you aren't fast enough to catch her halfway up and use one rein and body to either throw her sideways or her feet back down.
A horse that flips kills people, and I've never even heard of one being successfully rehabbed. They either kill a person and are put down, or flip and kill themselves. Sometimes a brain tumor is discovered postmortem. | |
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| hannahbug - 2017-07-21 7:23 PM
So you are trying to fix a horse that flipped as a "*&%$ you"? There are too many horses that will not risk their own lives to disobey a rider. You couldn't pay me enough to keep the horse alive, since I couldn't guarantee the horse would never leave my pasture and someone might try to ride it. (car wrecks happen, kids or parents sell off the stock. . . Things happen).
If you are hell bound and determined to try and fix the horse, I would give the half-empty beer bottle between the ears when the horse is antagonized into going up a try, since you say you aren't fast enough to catch her halfway up and use one rein and body to either throw her sideways or her feet back down.
A horse that flips kills people, and I've never even heard of one being successfully rehabbed. They either kill a person and are put down, or flip and kill themselves. Sometimes a brain tumor is discovered postmortem.
I've owned this horse for 7 years. This only started five weeks ago. She has never gotten light in the front end before ever. So I'm not sure what's wrong but this is completely out of the ordinary for her. I don't believe she just woke up 5 weeks ago and thought hey today I'm going to rear. | |
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       Location: Oklahoma | So you're saying that she is ready to run and rears up before you're ready and takes off "ready or not, here I come" kinda thing. I have a "Little Corona" bred gelding that does the SAME THING! No pain, just loves it!! Very broke and does all the slow stuff but knows when it's his "turn" and takes off more up then flat and forward. To keep him more calm I will flex his head left and right and I score in the alley alot. I do have an Ed Wright pretzel bit on him so i have control before we run. Some people like the calming cookies to help. It will be a learning deal to figure out what works to keep her calm. As long as she's not rearing to "not go in the alley" keep working to make sure she respects you! Good luck | |
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