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 Ima Non Controversial Girl
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Location: where the wind blows | I confess I'm getting totally confused when it comes to feed. I've been feeding Buckeye Grow n Win. My horses looked awesome on it but then I've been told that soy based feeds are not good for horses (especially mares). Yet when looking at ingredients it seems a large majority of the feeds are soy based. I've fed soaked beet pupls but to be honest I hate having to soak them. What do you all feed? |
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| You'll get TONS of opinions on this one.
IMO, you have to feed what works for YOUR horses. Not what works for someone else. I know people dislike soy because of the GMO (genetically modified organisms)vs non-GMO debate. Educate yourself (from quality information sources), decide from there.
Some people don't feed any grain but they also have adequate pasture and quality hay. You have to assess your ENTIRE feeding program and make a decision from there.
I've fed Buckeye, Purina, Tribute and finally settled on Total Equine. It does not mean all the others are bad, it means Total Equine is what works best for MY program. |
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| We've also fed a lot of different ones. Right now we feed Purina Ultium. We started one on it for a low NSC option and we were really impressed with the results so we moved everything over to it.
But yes, it is a personal choice for what works best for your horses. I think the biggest thing is making sure it is produced in clean mills without cross contamination risks. |
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 No Name Nancy
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Location: never in the right place | my horse looked great on anything I fed him. Purina Strategy, Omelene 200, Southern States, Triple Crown low starch. I feed Total Equine now and he has dapples on dapples. 1 3qt scoop is 2 lbs so he was fed 4 lbs a day and lots of good hay. he is now not working so i have recently cut back to 3/4 scoop each feeding
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  Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Not all soy is created equal.
As some of you are aware, there are a lot of articles and misconceptions about soy in horse nutrition ? including supplements. With so many opinions and myths out there it is hard to decide on what is true and what is just another “craze.” Soy flour is a rich source of proteins, vitamins, calcium as well as iron. It is used in most of our supplements as a source of protein. Protein is necessary for body growth and maintenance. Protein ingestion is what helps your horse’s body make up muscle, hair and hoof. “Increasing amino acid availability (via infusion or ingestion) at rest or post-exercise enhances amino acid transport into human skeletal muscle” 1 Soy can potentially be “bad” for your horse if they’re using the wrong kind or using an excessive amount. Equine nutritionist, Amy M. Gill, PhD, from Lexington, Kentucky states, “Horses need vegetarian sources of protein to supply amino acids. As far as we know, soy protein provides the closest match to equine amino acid requirements," said Gill. "Many of the human soy-related problems reported in the news are coming from women who over consume soy protein, affecting their reproductive hormones, or from people who are truly allergic to soy products.”2 Here at T.H.E. Equine Edge we use Non GMO ? Organic Soy Flour, which is all natural top quality ingredient we bring in for production. We DO NOT use soy flour isolates, concentrates or GMO’s. Anything that is not Organic Soy is highly refined, purified forms of soy protein. We understand what is beneficial for your horse, which is why we pride ourselves in providing you with the best products and service. Focus on reliable sources and facts. Did you know? “The Okinawans are the world’s longest-lived people, probably in part because of their diet. For more than five millennia, they’ve eaten whole, organic and fermented soy foods like miso, tempeh, tofu, soy milk, and edamame (young soybeans in the pod).”3 Stick to what benefits your horse, stick to proven results and facts. As we await more (reliable) studies on soy being a bad ingredient to feed your horse, there’s no need to pass it up in their nutrition. Whether you choose to use soy flour or not we can work with the ingredients you want in their supplement. We can always swap out ingredients in current formulas with ingredients you desire, or of course you can always come to us to discuss making a Custom Formula for your horse that is derived from your horse’s specific needs. - Blake B. Rasmussen, Ph. D. University of Texas Medical Branch. Soy-Dairy Protein Blend and Whey Protein Ingestion after Resistance Exercise Increases Amino Acid Transport and Transporter… Article.
- Lisa Kemp, Soy Safety: Depends on the Source, Nutritionists Say. http://www.thehorse.com/articles/22...
- Mark Hyman, MD. How Soy Can Kill You and Save Your Life. http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/08/06/...
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | I went from blue Bonnet feeds to old school the way my Dad fed...
Except for the cocasoya oil he gave corn oil and equipride just pasture minerals
Rolled oats - pasture horses 1/2 scoop 1x day - BR mare 1scp 2x day
Soaked alfalfa cubes - barrel mare gets 1/2 scoop 2x day --
all others get 2-3 big handfuls
Cocasoya oil - pasture horses n riding horses
BR mare gets rice bran 1c 2x day
All get equipride
Mineral salt blocks
Loose pasture mineral
Even have my foundered mare on this regiment.
Yep doing fantastic ;0)
Edited by Yakima 2017-07-28 9:45 PM
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| There are a lot of opinions about how to feed. I have been there, done that with it... now all my horses are fed Tribute Kalm and EZ and they are doing amazing on it! Love the feed, love the way they look and love the results! |
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| I really haven't been a Purina fan. My trainer has been feeding Purina Ultium. Purina asked her to try some new feeds they have out and document changes. She has put the performance horses on Purina IMPACT PERFORMANCE. One horse's mane has grown about 4 inches done the beginning of May. His muscle definition is tremendous. He does get ridden daily. She has put my horses on the same feed. I asked her how you tell if they look better if they already look terrific. She said you can see a difference. She put my 4 year old on Purina OUTLAST to prevent ulcers. She hasn't been on that long enough to tell much. I like the results of the IMPACT enough to change my performance horses to it also. |
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Location: Sweet Home Alabama | I feed Renew Gold and alfalfa pellets morning and night. They get a flake of alfalfa hay midday.... It's not the best quality hay so that's why I'm feeding the pellets as well. They all look good and shiny. Especially the 2 that just finished their Gastrogard treatment. I had thought about changing feeds because one gelding was pretty ribby but the gastrogard REALLY helped him out, so it leads me to believe it was ulcers, not feed. I would love to give omni cubes a try, but there's no way to get them in central Alabama. I don't think there's even a dealer in Alabama last I checked. Maybe one day. |
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 Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | There are zero reasons to avoid GMOs. Don't even worry about that, the science is solid and overwhelming on safety. Some individual horses might have issues with soy and need to avoid it. if you're happy with your program I wouldn't change. |
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 A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | I go back and forth about feeding pellets vs. oats, and then I remember my 28 yo horse has eaten pellets for 20+ years. I like that pellets contain a balanced ration where I don't have to add anything. Makes it easier for me. |
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| GMO grains are hxll on the digestive system is the reason they
are banned for human food across the world!!
Remember the GMO corn taco shells that gave everyone a case of the trots
for a week and how quick the taco company got rid of them??
I don't think anyone accepted their offer of free tacos .. lol
What's wrong with just plain old whole oats and baled alfalfa?
It is the premium base and benchmark milling companies use
to compare their high dollar trash filled sacks of feed with.
Add a handful of Moormans GroStrong minerals and you will
not need other supplements and your horses will look great
and be happy forever ..
Always use the KISS SYSTEM (Keep It Simple Stupid) sure
works for me.. lol
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-07-30 1:22 PM GMO grains are hxll on the digestive system is the reason they are banned for human food across the world!! Remember the GMO corn taco shells that gave everyone a case of the trots for a week and how quick the taco company got rid of them?? I don't think anyone accepted their offer of free tacos .. lol What's wrong with just plain old whole oats and baled alfalfa? It is the premium base and benchmark milling companies use to compare their high dollar trash filled sacks of feed with. Add a handful of Moormans GroStrong minerals and you will not need other supplements and your horses will look great and be happy forever .. Always use the KISS SYSTEM (Keep It Simple Stupid) sure works for me.. lol
They are not and you totally just made that up. |
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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| Three 4 Luck - 2017-07-30 2:36 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-07-30 1:22 PM GMO grains are hxll on the digestive system is the reason they are banned for human food across the world!! Remember the GMO corn taco shells that gave everyone a case of the trots for a week and how quick the taco company got rid of them?? I don't think anyone accepted their offer of free tacos .. lol What's wrong with just plain old whole oats and baled alfalfa? It is the premium base and benchmark milling companies use to compare their high dollar trash filled sacks of feed with. Add a handful of Moormans GroStrong minerals and you will not need other supplements and your horses will look great and be happy forever .. Always use the KISS SYSTEM (Keep It Simple Stupid) sure works for me.. lol They are not and you totally just made that up.
Lol, so why do they grow gmo crops if no one can eat them??? They are not banned |
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 Three in a Bikini
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| Three 4 Luck - 2017-07-30 12:36 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-07-30 1:22 PM GMO grains are hxll on the digestive system is the reason they are banned for human food across the world!! Remember the GMO corn taco shells that gave everyone a case of the trots for a week and how quick the taco company got rid of them?? I don't think anyone accepted their offer of free tacos .. lol What's wrong with just plain old whole oats and baled alfalfa? It is the premium base and benchmark milling companies use to compare their high dollar trash filled sacks of feed with. Add a handful of Moormans GroStrong minerals and you will not need other supplements and your horses will look great and be happy forever .. Always use the KISS SYSTEM (Keep It Simple Stupid) sure works for me.. lol
They are not and you totally just made that up.
This is hilarious. 
I have fed Horseman's Edge 1x/day with unlimited access to a round bale and a protein tub which has worked very well for me in the past. My horses are all older now, so we are adjusting as needed.
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 My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | And who makes the Grostrong?? |
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Location: Willows, CA | Chandler's Mom - 2017-07-30 6:17 PM
And who makes the Grostrong??
ADM makes GroStrong minerals. I reformulated it for them a number of years ago. |
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| Monsanto and others have been caught designing their research on GMOs and Roundup to hide problems, and they distort or deny adverse findings when they do arise. In truth, numerous animal feeding studies show evidence of harm, including cancer, organ damage, accelerated signs of aging, immune system problems, hormone imbalance, reproductive and developmental problems, and premature death.
“The results of most studies with GM foods indicate that they may cause some common toxic effects such as hepatic, pancreatic, renal, or reproductive effects…”
- Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition (A. Dona and I.S. Arvanitoyannis)
Thousands of Physicians say No to GMOs
Although the industry claims that no humans have been hurt by consuming GMOs, there has been no scientific monitoring of human health reactions. Furthermore, thousands of healthcare practitioners advise their patients to stop eating GMOs, and many report that doing so has resulted in significant improvements in digestive disorders, obesity, diabetes, allergies, kidney disease, infertility, fatigue, chronic pain, inflammation, and autism.
“Over half of American children now have a chronic health disorder and this number is likely to rise. Intestinal dysfunction is evident in nearly all patients seen in my clinic. A significant number of them get better simply by switching to an organic diet. It’s that simple.”
- Michelle Perro, MD, Pediatrician
Experts Reject GMOs as Solution to World Hunger
We are continually told that we need genetically engineered crops to feed the world, but experts dismiss this as public relations fiction. The IAASTD Report, the most comprehensive report on the future of food and agriculture (sponsored by the World Bank and the UN, written by over 400 scientists and endorsed by 59 countries), did not endorse GMOs as a solution to world hunger. In fact, genetic engineering has not significantly increased U.S. crop yields, according to the USDA and controlled comparative studies. Some GMOs have lower yields than non-GMO crops.
High-Risk GMOs Should Not Be In Our Food or Fields
Once you examine the scientific references, read reports from doctors, learn how corporations spin and suppress findings, and look at the repeated warnings by FDA scientists, you will likely conclude that these high-risk foods should never have been introduced. While rising disease rates alone don’t prove causation, when you examine the published charts of more than 20 disorders skyrocketing in parallel with the introduction and increased use of GMOs and glyphosate, the potential magnitude of what these products may be doing to us begins to dawn. And when you realize that contamination of the gene pool is irreversible and that the biotech industry is preparing to introduce GMO versions of virtually all commercial seeds, as well as livestock, fish, trees, grass, flowers, and pets, you will then understand that our generation faces a pivotal decision that affects the future of all living beings on this planet.
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | winwillows - 2017-07-30 11:04 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-07-30 6:17 PM
And who makes the Grostrong??
ADM makes GroStrong minerals. I reformulated it for them a number of years ago.
Weren't they the ones with contaminated mills not too long ago? |
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| I feed no soy because I had a couple of mares who started having hormone and behavior issue once removed they have now returned to normal . I make my own weird little feed that is all herbal supplements and the horses are doing extremely well. They only eat 3lbs a day and are staying in tip top shape and running hard. The base for mine is just oats and alfalfa pellets and then some other stuff but that is the base to it. |
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