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  Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | What happens to horses that don't sell? The 1500 backyard goober on craigslist? The 4500 started with good papers? The 50K that has pro potential?
I am really curious. I have tried to sell several that I either ended up trading even or giving away.
What do you all do with those you can't sell?
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| If the horse can do what you state in an ad, put it in a sale. Be sure to pick a sale that actually has horse that are your horse's dicipline, as in don't put a horse with running bloodlines in a salt hat predominately run ranch or cutting lines through.
A neighbor puts some of his broodmares and young horses in what used to be HAVARD SALE-Lufkin TX. (Now PREMIER) Mr San Peppy and Driftwood lines and they sell pretty well. Dash for Perks horses don't sell very well there. The sales like HERITAGE PLACE and some at the bigger futurities seem to have running horses that sell well. Hope that was understandable. |
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| We just keep riding them until they sell. And that sometimes means we ride them for a long time! I think that's why it is so important to own horses that you would want to keep for yourself in case they don't sell. That along with not taking on more horses than you can handle both time wise and financially.
I think that higher priced horses are more difficult to sell than the cheaper ones simply because there aren't as many buyers shopping in that price range. Time of year, location, etc also play a factor. If I don't get any interest then I re-evaluate my price along with my ad and pictures to see where the issue is.
If I really had to get rid of one there are plenty of local sale barns that have a horse sale, but I would do so knowing that I probably wouldn't get a very high price, and bottom dollar is going to be the killer. If it's a nicer horse with a higher value I would look at consigning in one of the sales specific to that horse's breed and discipline. Again, you have to know that you might not get the price you wanted, but you will most likely sell the horse as it seems very few at those sales don't get a bid. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I just keep feeding them and telling myself I'm going to get back on him one day... |
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Location: California | I don't have an answer to this, but it's a really interesting topic. Something I've noticed is a lot of horses are heavily over priced, like 15k for very average, older barrel horses with very average pedigrees - but even with that being said, it seems like even the 3k horses are having a hard time selling. Basically people want either an own get of Dash Ta Fame or a completely finished 1D/kid safe horse for 1k.
Edited by *almost there* 2017-08-06 8:53 PM
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Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | *almost there* - 2017-08-06 8:51 PM I don't have an answer to this, but it's a really interesting topic. Something I've noticed is a lot of horses are heavily over priced, like 15k for very average, older barrel horses with very average pedigrees - but even with that being said, it seems like even the 3k horses are having a hard time selling. Basically people want either an own get of Dash Ta Fame or a completely finished 1D/kid safe horse for 1k.
Yes. I feel like at some point people decide to cut their losses instead of holding on to a horse they don't/can't ride.My big question is do most owners pull the papers and send them through a sale barn or do they take the best offer given. Can you tell I've been horse shopping?
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Coyote Country Queen
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| CanCan - 2017-08-06 9:45 PM
*almost there* - 2017-08-06 8:51 PM I don't have an answer to this, but it's a really interesting topic. Something I've noticed is a lot of horses are heavily over priced, like 15k for very average, older barrel horses with very average pedigrees - but even with that being said, it seems like even the 3k horses are having a hard time selling. Basically people want either an own get of Dash Ta Fame or a completely finished 1D/kid safe horse for 1k.
Yes. I feel like at some point people decide to cut their losses instead of holding on to a horse they don't/can't ride.My big question is do most owners pull the papers and send them through a sale barn or do they take the best offer given. Can you tell I've been horse shopping?
I would think they would take the best offer they can get. The only time I've ever heard of people pulling papers and sending them to the sale barn is if they are dangerous or crippled.
I have to agree with almost there about pricing and buyers. |
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Location: California | Jenbabe - 2017-08-06 8:21 PM
CanCan - 2017-08-06 9:45 PM
*almost there* - 2017-08-06 8:51 PM I don't have an answer to this, but it's a really interesting topic. Something I've noticed is a lot of horses are heavily over priced, like 15k for very average, older barrel horses with very average pedigrees - but even with that being said, it seems like even the 3k horses are having a hard time selling. Basically people want either an own get of Dash Ta Fame or a completely finished 1D/kid safe horse for 1k.
Yes. I feel like at some point people decide to cut their losses instead of holding on to a horse they don't/can't ride.My big question is do most owners pull the papers and send them through a sale barn or do they take the best offer given. Can you tell I've been horse shopping?
I would think they would take the best offer they can get. The only time I've ever heard of people pulling papers and sending them to the sale barn is if they are dangerous or crippled.
I have to agree with almost there about pricing and buyers.
Yes, I think taking best offer is better than pulling papers. Plus a papered barrel horse will be more likely to have a home than a non papered one. |
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Location: California | CanCan - 2017-08-06 7:45 PM
*almost there* - 2017-08-06 8:51 PM I don't have an answer to this, but it's a really interesting topic. Something I've noticed is a lot of horses are heavily over priced, like 15k for very average, older barrel horses with very average pedigrees - but even with that being said, it seems like even the 3k horses are having a hard time selling. Basically people want either an own get of Dash Ta Fame or a completely finished 1D/kid safe horse for 1k.
Yes. I feel like at some point people decide to cut their losses instead of holding on to a horse they don't/can't ride.My big question is do most owners pull the papers and send them through a sale barn or do they take the best offer given. Can you tell I've been horse shopping?
Curious if prices have to do with higher stud fees? |
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| I have one that's about to make me tear my hair out - nicely bred, grey, 2D but she pulls back and I am DONE with her. I have had her with a guy since MAY trying to sell her - I'm asking $5000 - so NOT too much. I don't want to take her back as I won't do anything with her but geez, she's costing me $500 every month. Talk about a money pit. |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | Fun2Run - 2017-08-06 11:51 PM They all stay at my house.
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Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | Griz - 2017-08-07 5:46 AM
I have one that's about to make me tear my hair out - nicely bred, grey, 2D but she pulls back and I am DONE with her. I have had her with a guy since MAY trying to sell her - I'm asking $5000 - so NOT too much. I don't want to take her back as I won't do anything with her but geez, she's costing me $500 every month. Talk about a money pit.
So what's been your best offer and when will you reduce the price? |
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Location: North Dakota | There are a lot of owners that don't live in reality. With that said, I do not have anything for sale, BUT I know that if I had to sell mine, they would be priced to gain enough attention and be sold within a week. My 8 year old frenchmens guy grandson out of a Texas highdasher grandaughter who's a solid 3D horse and started on the heading side would be priced at $7k and he would most likely be gone in a few days. Would I like $15k for him-sure BUT the only way I would sell is if I HAD to have the money. People that complain about a horse not selling usually don't like the horse AND have an overinflated idea that the horse would be MAGICAL with someone else. There are so many that sell based on the potential of the horse-meaning the stars and moon have to line up to have a nice run etc. OR what someone else is doing with a similarly bred horse in some other state. Your predicament is exactly why we buy yearlings, 1 we can afford them and 2 we only buy for ourselves-so they are broke the way we like and do what we want to do-if they don't turn out-they can be dumped and the only thing we've lost is our time and hay. Good luck in your search-it has to be frustrating. |
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Location: California | LMS - 2017-08-07 6:18 AM There are a lot of owners that don't live in reality. With that said, I do not have anything for sale, BUT I know that if I had to sell mine, they would be priced to gain enough attention and be sold within a week. My 8 year old frenchmens guy grandson out of a Texas highdasher grandaughter who's a solid 3D horse and started on the heading side would be priced at $7k and he would most likely be gone in a few days. Would I like $15k for him-sure BUT the only way I would sell is if I HAD to have the money. People that complain about a horse not selling usually don't like the horse AND have an overinflated idea that the horse would be MAGICAL with someone else. There are so many that sell based on the potential of the horse-meaning the stars and moon have to line up to have a nice run etc. OR what someone else is doing with a similarly bred horse in some other state. Your predicament is exactly why we buy yearlings, 1 we can afford them and 2 we only buy for ourselves-so they are broke the way we like and do what we want to do-if they don't turn out-they can be dumped and the only thing we've lost is our time and hay. Good luck in your search-it has to be frustrating.
do you think he is worth 15k? Do horses sell at that price that are equal to his quality where you are at? People ask that up here, but those horses just sit on the market. |
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| CanCan - 2017-08-07 8:03 AM
Griz - 2017-08-07 5:46 AM
I have one that's about to make me tear my hair out - nicely bred, grey, 2D but she pulls back and I am DONE with her. I have had her with a guy since MAY trying to sell her - I'm asking $5000 - so NOT too much. I don't want to take her back as I won't do anything with her but geez, she's costing me $500 every month. Talk about a money pit.
So what's been your best offer and when will you reduce the price?
She started at $10K, so price has been halved. I have even offered for a trade but I'm NOT trading for just any pile of bones either. |
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Location: North Dakota | *almost there* - 2017-08-07 11:07 AM LMS - 2017-08-07 6:18 AM There are a lot of owners that don't live in reality. With that said, I do not have anything for sale, BUT I know that if I had to sell mine, they would be priced to gain enough attention and be sold within a week. My 8 year old frenchmens guy grandson out of a Texas highdasher grandaughter who's a solid 3D horse and started on the heading side would be priced at $7k and he would most likely be gone in a few days. Would I like $15k for him-sure BUT the only way I would sell is if I HAD to have the money. People that complain about a horse not selling usually don't like the horse AND have an overinflated idea that the horse would be MAGICAL with someone else. There are so many that sell based on the potential of the horse-meaning the stars and moon have to line up to have a nice run etc. OR what someone else is doing with a similarly bred horse in some other state. Your predicament is exactly why we buy yearlings, 1 we can afford them and 2 we only buy for ourselves-so they are broke the way we like and do what we want to do-if they don't turn out-they can be dumped and the only thing we've lost is our time and hay. Good luck in your search-it has to be frustrating. do you think he is worth 15k? Do horses sell at that price that are equal to his quality where you are at? People ask that up here, but those horses just sit on the market.
HE'S PRICELESS TO ME :) AND IF THE STARS AND MOON LINED UP JUST RIGHT HE WOULD DEFINITELY BE WORTH $15K BUT A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS WOULD HAVE TO COME INTO PLAY. THERE ARE PLENTY ON THE MARKET THAT ARE HIS "TYPE" BUT DEFINITELY DO NOT HAVE ALL OF HIS CAPABILITY (HEADING AND BREAKAWAY) THAT ARE PRICED AT $15K AND HAVEN'T MOVED-NOT REALISTIC TO PRICE THEM THAT HIGH. WE HAVE A HUGE HS RODEO POPULATION HERE TOO, WITH A LOT OF DEEP POCKETS, JUST BECAUSE I LIVE IN ND DOESN'T MEAN HORSES DON'T SELL AT ASTRONOMICAL PRICES (AT LEAST ASTRONOMICAL TO ME) |
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Location: Deep South | I buy and sell a couple of prospects every year. I buy mostly unstarted long yearlings or 2yos, usually in the Fall. I find this is when people are most often willing to deal. They're thinking about how much hay they need to buy to get through winter and trying to get something off the feed bill. (also the reason it's harder to sell this time of year)
I usually put close to 6 months in them and relist them for sale in the Spring as a well-broke ready to go on with prospect. By this time I've also fed them really well, have them well conditioned, and they've shed out nice and shiny. I've bought with resale value in mind, so most of mine have an eye-catching factor. Color, or a pretty mane, something that will catch people's attention and make them actually want to read my ad. It is incredibly hard to generate any interest whatsoever in a plain jane sorrel with no distinguishing features, in my experience.
Mine sell within a couple of weeks on average. I feel comfortable with that. Too fast and I feel like I priced them too low, too long and I feel like I overpriced them or didn't advertise them well.
There's been one instance so far where I sat on a horse for a few months, trying to sell her. Instead of dropping her price, I just kept riding her, adding to her training/resume, adding updated videos. I guess I eventually got her to the point that the market felt she was worth the price I was asking. Lol! I think if a horse is for sale for a really long time and the price just keeps dropping and dropping, people start thinking something must be wrong with it. I know this isn't necessarily the case, but I'm guilty of thinking it.
When I'm talking to people who have been having a really difficult time moving a horse, I always recommend a broker. Find someone with a good reputation and you'll be amazed how much interest they can generate for your horse. |
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| LMS - 2017-08-07 11:48 AM *almost there* - 2017-08-07 11:07 AM LMS - 2017-08-07 6:18 AM There are a lot of owners that don't live in reality. With that said, I do not have anything for sale, BUT I know that if I had to sell mine, they would be priced to gain enough attention and be sold within a week. My 8 year old frenchmens guy grandson out of a Texas highdasher grandaughter who's a solid 3D horse and started on the heading side would be priced at $7k and he would most likely be gone in a few days. Would I like $15k for him-sure BUT the only way I would sell is if I HAD to have the money. People that complain about a horse not selling usually don't like the horse AND have an overinflated idea that the horse would be MAGICAL with someone else. There are so many that sell based on the potential of the horse-meaning the stars and moon have to line up to have a nice run etc. OR what someone else is doing with a similarly bred horse in some other state. Your predicament is exactly why we buy yearlings, 1 we can afford them and 2 we only buy for ourselves-so they are broke the way we like and do what we want to do-if they don't turn out-they can be dumped and the only thing we've lost is our time and hay. Good luck in your search-it has to be frustrating. do you think he is worth 15k? Do horses sell at that price that are equal to his quality where you are at? People ask that up here, but those horses just sit on the market.
If I were in the market I would not hesitate to pay 15K if he were a horse that was easy for me to ride. I do this for fun and a horse that makes it fun is worth it to me. |
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Location: California | LMS - 2017-08-07 9:48 AM *almost there* - 2017-08-07 11:07 AM LMS - 2017-08-07 6:18 AM There are a lot of owners that don't live in reality. With that said, I do not have anything for sale, BUT I know that if I had to sell mine, they would be priced to gain enough attention and be sold within a week. My 8 year old frenchmens guy grandson out of a Texas highdasher grandaughter who's a solid 3D horse and started on the heading side would be priced at $7k and he would most likely be gone in a few days. Would I like $15k for him-sure BUT the only way I would sell is if I HAD to have the money. People that complain about a horse not selling usually don't like the horse AND have an overinflated idea that the horse would be MAGICAL with someone else. There are so many that sell based on the potential of the horse-meaning the stars and moon have to line up to have a nice run etc. OR what someone else is doing with a similarly bred horse in some other state. Your predicament is exactly why we buy yearlings, 1 we can afford them and 2 we only buy for ourselves-so they are broke the way we like and do what we want to do-if they don't turn out-they can be dumped and the only thing we've lost is our time and hay. Good luck in your search-it has to be frustrating. do you think he is worth 15k? Do horses sell at that price that are equal to his quality where you are at? People ask that up here, but those horses just sit on the market.
I didn't mean to imply that because of where you live horses don't sell for top dollar, my question was genuine. I guess my thought process is why pay 15k for an all around, low D horse when in another 5k you can get something really really nice that is clocking or winning, and often with a bigger named rider that did the training. Again, I didn't mean to imply anything against the horse.
to the OP, I had a mare who on the face of her papers had multimillion dollar race horse champions that I let go of for $1,000 because I was tired of sitting on her. She was green broke, foaled well, and under 12. Another one I gave away for free because again, I was tired of sitting on her. She was broke to ride but I couldn't keep her sound, and she was a sorrel cutting bred broodmare- they are a dime a dozen. Thens been a few others I've let go for very very low to just get them moved and off the feed bill. And then there's been some I made good money on, but they also had a lot of interest in the beginning. |
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