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Location: S. California Beach | Good morning BHW
I have already had the conversation with my vet who had some great ideas but wanted to reach out some more.
Said horse is a 19 year old (pretty semi-retired) with some soundness issues that I have managed for 7 years (no pain issues). He has always been an "ON" type personality but not hot and marginally better in his old age. He is ridden maybe 3 to 4 times a month (usually a mile or two trail ride by the kiddo/10) at a walk. Once every few months we go to an obstacle/sensory course that the kiddo loves. Hes been hauled all over the country, has done extreme cowdoy races with me and is generally not bothered by much.
Last few times, he has been a bit on the muscle with the kiddo (who then gets frustrated but I walk him through to keep it all calm). Edit: the last few times he was also sedated. Yesterday we had to swap horses this weekend becasuse oldie was a nut. I rode him and the horse was a nervous mess (washed out, refusing and scared of going over a ground pole). I can feel why the kid gets frustrated and dont want to kill his desire to ride (which is already minimal). He did have a blast on my baby after the swap.
Ive tried the follwing sedation (and combos thereof):
Resperine (not concurrent with the below)
Ace
Xylazine
Ace+Zylazine (3cc ea)
Dermosadan Gel (1.5cc)
Every combo seems to give him the exact opposite reaction and makes him more nervous and untypically flighty. I give the correct time out (20-30 min before we even get to this place) and never give more after. No matter the sedation he seems to have the opposite reation.
I am back to square one and open to suggestions. I would really like to find something that not a sedative (clearly these dont work).
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | margoannrodeo - 2017-08-07 11:28 AM Good morning BHW
I have already had the conversation with my vet who had some great ideas but wanted to reach out some more.
Said horse is a 19 year old (pretty semi-retired) with some soundness issues that I have managed for 7 years (no pain issues). He has always been an "ON" type personality but not hot and marginally better in his old age. He is ridden maybe 3 to 4 times a month (usually a mile or two trail ride by the kiddo/10) at a walk. Once every few months we go to an obstacle/sensory course that the kiddo loves. Hes been hauled all over the country, has done extreme cowdoy races with me and is generally not bothered by much.
Last few times, he has been a bit on the muscle with the kiddo (who then gets frustrated but I walk him through to keep it all calm). Edit: the last few times he was also sedated. Yesterday we had to swap horses this weekend becasuse oldie was a nut. I rode him and the horse was a nervous mess (washed out, refusing and scared of going over a ground pole). I can feel why the kid gets frustrated and dont want to kill his desire to ride (which is already minimal). He did have a blast on my baby after the swap.
Ive tried the follwing sedation (and combos thereof):
Resperine (not concurrent with the below)
Ace
Xylazine
Ace+Zylazine (3cc ea)
Dermosadan Gel (1.5cc)
Every combo seems to give him the exact opposite reaction and makes him more nervous and untypically flighty. I give the correct time out (20-30 min before we even get to this place) and never give more after. No matter the sedation he seems to have the opposite reation.
I am back to square one and open to suggestions. I would really like to find something that not a sedative (clearly these dont work).
What are you feeding him now? As in what type sweetfeed, pelleted, brand. Believe it are not feed can cause alot of what your talking about about being a hot and nervous boy.
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2017-08-07 12:09 PM
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Location: S. California Beach | 1/2 flake alfalfa 1x a day
1 flake orchard
Free feed in a slow feeder bermuda
1 measureing cup of safe choice and forco
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Location: S. California Beach | He gets zero hot feed, I only give him safechoice to mix forco and his meds.
Hes pretty ulcer prone and just finished a course of treatment (give maintenance).
Repserine gave him mad ulcers.
Edit: He's pretty chill all other times (just a go personality)
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have a gelding thats always looking for a booger to spook at, I got him on B-1 crumbles and also give him Magnesium 5000, I even tryed Mare magic on him befor I got him started on the Magnesium and like how he was more focus and didnt spook at everything when I had him out riding around our pond/tank. I would stay away from drugs and try something all natural, try Mare Magic for a while and see how that works on him. On some it dont work but then you have the ones that it does work on. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | euchee - 2017-08-07 8:06 PM I like the B-1 crumbles also. You could get some injectable and give about 3 time during the week to see how he does. If he does good then go to the crumbles. That is the advice that was given to me by a very smart race horse trainer. He told me to stay away from the drugs, that B1 does wonders for some and no so much for others so there isn't a guarantee that it will work but it is cheap and worth a try. It totally turned my two horses around.
I agree with the B1 you can give the injections or the feed thru. On race horses I give 5ml NB4 and then 5ml the day of the race. I have a friend that's giving the horses a straight 10ml the morning of the race. I've not done that with my barrel horses but I have one that's pretty hot and may try it. If your going IV you must go very slow! |
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I understand wanting a safe mount for any child but have you tried your horse without giving him anything? If he is still too much, is finding another horse/pony an option?
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Location: Texas | margoannrodeo - 2017-08-07 11:28 AM
Good morning BHW
I have already had the conversation with my vet who had some great ideas but wanted to reach out some more.
Said horse is a 19 year old (pretty semi-retired) with some soundness issues that I have managed for 7 years (no pain issues). He has always been an "ON" type personality but not hot and marginally better in his old age. He is ridden maybe 3 to 4 times a month (usually a mile or two trail ride by the kiddo/10) at a walk. Once every few months we go to an obstacle/sensory course that the kiddo loves. Hes been hauled all over the country, has done extreme cowdoy races with me and is generally not bothered by much.
Last few times, he has been a bit on the muscle with the kiddo (who then gets frustrated but I walk him through to keep it all calm). Edit: the last few times he was also sedated. Yesterday we had to swap horses this weekend becasuse oldie was a nut. I rode him and the horse was a nervous mess (washed out, refusing and scared of going over a ground pole). I can feel why the kid gets frustrated and dont want to kill his desire to ride (which is already minimal). He did have a blast on my baby after the swap.
Ive tried the follwing sedation (and combos thereof):
Resperine (not concurrent with the below)
Ace
Xylazine
Ace+Zylazine (3cc ea)
Dermosadan Gel (1.5cc)
Every combo seems to give him the exact opposite reaction and makes him more nervous and untypically flighty. I give the correct time out (20-30 min before we even get to this place) and never give more after. No matter the sedation he seems to have the opposite reation.
I am back to square one and open to suggestions. I would really like to find something that not a sedative (clearly these dont work).
which way were you giving those meds? and you were giving 1.5 c of the oral dorm gel and not injectable dorm? |
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Location: S. California Beach | I take it for my migraines and dont think i can afford it for my horse lol!
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Location: S. California Beach | casualdust07 - 2017-08-08 7:29 AM margoannrodeo - 2017-08-07 11:28 AM Good morning BHW
I have already had the conversation with my vet who had some great ideas but wanted to reach out some more.
Said horse is a 19 year old (pretty semi-retired) with some soundness issues that I have managed for 7 years (no pain issues). He has always been an "ON" type personality but not hot and marginally better in his old age. He is ridden maybe 3 to 4 times a month (usually a mile or two trail ride by the kiddo/10) at a walk. Once every few months we go to an obstacle/sensory course that the kiddo loves. Hes been hauled all over the country, has done extreme cowdoy races with me and is generally not bothered by much.
Last few times, he has been a bit on the muscle with the kiddo (who then gets frustrated but I walk him through to keep it all calm). Edit: the last few times he was also sedated. Yesterday we had to swap horses this weekend becasuse oldie was a nut. I rode him and the horse was a nervous mess (washed out, refusing and scared of going over a ground pole). I can feel why the kid gets frustrated and dont want to kill his desire to ride (which is already minimal). He did have a blast on my baby after the swap.
Ive tried the follwing sedation (and combos thereof):
Resperine (not concurrent with the below)
Ace
Xylazine
Ace+Zylazine (3cc ea)
Dermosadan Gel (1.5cc)
Every combo seems to give him the exact opposite reaction and makes him more nervous and untypically flighty. I give the correct time out (20-30 min before we even get to this place) and never give more after. No matter the sedation he seems to have the opposite reation.
I am back to square one and open to suggestions. I would really like to find something that not a sedative (clearly these dont work).
which way were you giving those meds? and you were giving 1.5 c of the oral dorm gel and not injectable dorm?
Yes
Dermosadan Gel
Not injectable
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Location: S. California Beach | I have had the old one for 7 years (another horse is not an option)
He has ridden him all over southern california (mountains, rivers, etc) with zero issue
Hes totally safe just quite the challange and not too much for the kid 9/10 just at these events
Thiacal doesnt work on him, tried him on that before.
When I dont give him anything hes about the same...meds seem to make it worse.
Next time we go to said event he'll ride my colt and I will school on the old one to see if it helps
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Location: S. California Beach | panamasgold - 2017-08-08 1:14 PM THE Calming Cookies
Dont work on him lol!!!
But thanks for the suggestion!
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