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human flu vaccination!!
Do your research and you will find that only shots for EE, WE, VE .. TETANUS... KENTUCKY A1 A2 are the only vaccines that show any immunity.
All the others follow the statement: "I recommend that it be given, it may decrease the reaction if they encounter the disease."
I think you will think twice on spending your money after reading the new research on the human flu shot vaccine ....
It has always been a question in my mind why horses and other animals
are vaccinated yearly and humans once for life time immunity.???
Never
have I seen where tree huggers want to give shots to wild mustangs
and other wild life. The truth of the matter is ... When wild animals
over populate an area ... it is Mother Nature's way of thinning the
numbers down and only the strong survive!!
Johns Hopkins Researcher Releases Shocking Report On Flu Vaccines
Dr. Russell Blaylock, a neurosurgeon and author of “The Blaylock Wellness Report”, echoes the findings of Doshi. Here is a continuation of the excerpt from yournewswire.com in which he shares his own concerns of vaccines and their safety:
“Not only is the vaccine not safe, it doesn’t even work…The vaccine is completely worthless, and the government knows it…There are three reasons the government tells the elderly why they should get flu shots: secondary pneumonia, hospitalization, and death. Yet a study by the Cochrane group studied hundreds of thousands of people and found it offered zero protection for those three things in the general community. It offered people in nursing homes some immunity against the flu — at best one-third — but that was only if they picked the right vaccine…
A study released in February found that the flu shot was only 9 percent effective in protecting seniors against the 2012-2013 season’s most virulent influenza bug…
What’s even worse is that small children who are given the flu vaccine get no protection from the disease…The government also says that every baby over the age of six months should have a vaccine, and they know it contains a dose of mercury that is toxic to the brain…They also know the studies have shown that the vaccination has zero — zero — effectiveness in children under five…
For most people, flu vaccinations don’t prevent the flu but actually increase the odds of getting it. The mercury contained in flu shots is such a strong immune depressant that a flu shot suppresses immunity for several weeks…This makes people highly susceptible to catching the flu…They may even think the vaccine gave them the flu, but that’s not true — it depressed their immune system and then they caught the flu.”
Mercury overstimulates the brain for several years, and that activation is the cause of Alzheimer’s and other degenerative diseases. One study found that those who get the vaccine for three to five years increase their risk of Alzheimer’s disease 10-fold…”
Why do these vaccines get pushed so much?
“It’s all about money,” says Dr. Blaylock. “Vaccinations are a pharmaceutical company’s dream. They have a product that both the government and the media will help them sell, and since vaccinations are protected, they can’t be sued if anyone has a complication…
Here’s the bottom line, the vast number of people who get the flu vaccine aren’t going to get any benefit, but they get all of the risks and complications.”
http://ewao.com/2017/08/16/johns-hopkins-researcher-releases-shocki...
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| I agree with 90 percent of what you say here. I always have. Why is it humans get vaccinated ONCE but horses need it annually. Tetanus and West nile are the only ones I give now. |
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Location: Texas | Humans don't get vaccinated once, they get vaccinated in several series as a child and then as a young adult... And then depending on any wounds they may get as an adult they can get boostered for tetanus for example.
I know I'm a vet and some of yall will think I will support vaccines for the profit but first off..
1) we don't make very much money off vaccinations. They are so expensive we may make $10 off a vaccine.
2) spin off of #1- if we were doing it to make money we would rather just treat sick horses affected by the diseases vaccinated against. It costs about $1500 up front and up to $800-1000 a day to try and get a horse to survive tetanus if they do.
3) vaccines provide immunity but all things have a life span. The immunity for some diseases is stronger and longer than others. For example, the flu/rhino vaccine has a short immunity. To get the most out of your vaccine, you could target vaccinate when you know a show is coming up... if your horse never leaves the house, it probably doesn't need flu rhino. However, if you travel and go to shows, especially with young horses, your odds of getting sick after a show increase if they haven't been boostered. If you only give flu rhino once a year and then go to a show 9 months after the shot... it probably isn't helping you any.
4) Some diseases are incurable or refractory to treatment and vaccination is a safe preventative.
RABIES- Rabies has NO CURE. If your animal is positive for rabies it WILL die and may infect you if you get in contact with its saliva. And if you get rabies- you are dead too. Only a handful of people in the entire world have survived being infected with rabies and a lot of times the neurologic signs don't always go away.
All the encephalitides- west nile, eastern, western, and Venezuelan- have varying degrees of success with treatment. Yes you will see the occasional horse come back 100% from one of those diseases but many times they do not. And theres nothing you can do but supportive care to help them fight it themselves and see how much better they get.
Vaccine labels have rules regarding what level of protection they give. Some aid in the prevention of viremia, some aid in the prevention of disease, some aid in the reduction of the severity of clinical signs- which may reduce viral shedding and disease transmission, or may reduce your vet bill because your horse ends up just needing some banamine for a couple days instead of intensive hospital care.
That's my take on it, and I have dear friends of mine who are anti vaccination and will go to the grave with that mindset, and that's fine.. we agree to disagree. I've seen tetanus, I've seen west nile, I've seen rabies... its scary stuff. |
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| casualdust07 - 2017-08-23 5:07 PM
Humans don't get vaccinated once, they get vaccinated in several series as a child and then as a young adult... And then depending on any wounds they may get as an adult they can get boostered for tetanus for example.
I know I'm a vet and some of yall will think I will support vaccines for the profit but first off..
1) we don't make very much money off vaccinations. They are so expensive we may make $10 off a vaccine.
2) spin off of #1- if we were doing it to make money we would rather just treat sick horses affected by the diseases vaccinated against. It costs about $1500 up front and up to $800-1000 a day to try and get a horse to survive tetanus if they do.
3) vaccines provide immunity but all things have a life span. The immunity for some diseases is stronger and longer than others. For example, the flu/rhino vaccine has a short immunity. To get the most out of your vaccine, you could target vaccinate when you know a show is coming up... if your horse never leaves the house, it probably doesn't need flu rhino. However, if you travel and go to shows, especially with young horses, your odds of getting sick after a show increase if they haven't been boostered. If you only give flu rhino once a year and then go to a show 9 months after the shot... it probably isn't helping you any.
4) Some diseases are incurable or refractory to treatment and vaccination is a safe preventative.
RABIES- Rabies has NO CURE. If your animal is positive for rabies it WILL die and may infect you if you get in contact with its saliva. And if you get rabies- you are dead too. Only a handful of people in the entire world have survived being infected with rabies and a lot of times the neurologic signs don't always go away.
All the encephalitides- west nile, eastern, western, and Venezuelan- have varying degrees of success with treatment. Yes you will see the occasional horse come back 100% from one of those diseases but many times they do not. And theres nothing you can do but supportive care to help them fight it themselves and see how much better they get.
Vaccine labels have rules regarding what level of protection they give. Some aid in the prevention of viremia, some aid in the prevention of disease, some aid in the reduction of the severity of clinical signs- which may reduce viral shedding and disease transmission, or may reduce your vet bill because your horse ends up just needing some banamine for a couple days instead of intensive hospital care.
That's my take on it, and I have dear friends of mine who are anti vaccination and will go to the grave with that mindset, and that's fine.. we agree to disagree. I've seen tetanus, I've seen west nile, I've seen rabies... its scary stuff.
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Location: Nebraska | The people that make the flu shot take their best guess on what the big strain of the flu is going to be that year. Sometimes they're wrong and a lot of times that's why it doesn't work. I'm interested if in that study the people in the study had the correct strain vaccine. |
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Location: Oklahoma | im 45 now. but when I was out of high school I worked for a doctor and he convinced me and my mom to get the flu shot especially since we would be around sick people! Let me tell you what I have never been so sick before or since! my mom was the same! I wanted to die! and it lasted a week a long week! I will never forget it! I don't care if it depends on the strain I haven't been that sick before or since and when my mom was just as sick with me at the same time it was from that shot!!! never again and I haven't had the flu shot since! and never will. I have been sick on and off but never that bad. |
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| Let's all look at vaccines with a little common sense!!
RABIES VACCINE ... has been verified as effective for 3 years for years and years and sez so on the bottle//syringe ... yet your state, county, city and vet still recommend it be given once per year. None of the drug companies, vet associations or politicians have made any effort to stop the nonsense ....
Isn't it strange with all the huff n puff and glory state university animal labs and vet colleges are showing you all kinds of rare and strange diseases to spend your money on vaccines .... NOT A ONE OF THEM HAVE RAN IMMUNITY TESTS on livestock in order to save the animal owner money and from initiating the toxic syndrome affect that lowers their natural immunity and creates a pathway for them to catch the disease from the vaccine or some other disease they would not have caught if their immune level had remained normal.
Keep in mind when giving shots ... none of them will work until 2 weeks or more after being vaccinated ... so a quicky boooooster shot before a show etc etc is not a smart idea of knocking their immunity down ..
When ivermectin first hit the market it was the clear liquid in a glass bottle and was given IM and was also promoted for horses .. 5 cc/1000 lbs at $27 /100cc bottle = 20 horses m/l ... and it worked great vs the old worn out round wormers like the ones with the P word and F word that only did the round worm families.
Then the drug companies realized they had shot themselves in the foot ... no one was buying the paste wormers for their horses and sales decreased dramatically (so did profits) .. So, they changed the carrier in the ivermectin vaccine so it would set a horse on fire if you gave them a shot of it and get your barn torn down at the same time. And usually a bad abscess.
Then stipulated it was for cows only. There again they cut the serum down to 1% which is only good for 28 days in cattle ... more vaccine needed per cow = more $$$'s .... In a moment we will talk about worm immunity...
You also never see any information on overdose on wormers anymore which can total to 10-20 tubes given at one time before a horse would have watery poop, but wouldn't kill him.. lol Look at your F word power pack ... 10 normal doses in 5 days to put worms to sleep so the horse can poop them out. and the original power pack also called for a dose of ivermectin in 30 days. The name POWER PACK was a great marketing tool.....
Justin boot company used another great marketing tool when they started dying band marching boots different colors and named them JUSTIN ROPERS ... (the colored marching boots jumped from $29 to $119) as a new item for drug store cowboys and cowgirls.. lol .. For years cow/horse people would not be caught dead wearing a pair of them .. lol
WORM IMMUNITY ... what causes it is simple ... you shorted the amount of wormer and some of the worms lived and a new generation was started with an immune gene and then if some of these survive another worming immunity level is doubled and again and again until you have worms that are immune to that medication. Keep in mind horses spit, slobber and can hide a clump in their jaw and end up without a full dose in their stomach to hit their bloodstream all at one time. (and owners dribble it on the floor)
As you know I believe in the KISS system ... so I give a full tube to my 6 month old babies or grown horses .. and use holidays as my 60-90 day wormer reminders ..
This video shows you why you should be scared to death of college vets or any one with a PhD .. (Phony Doctor) .. lol
I will call your attention to some things in this video that the guy has no common sense and does not own any cattle of his own!! As you know vets, doctors and lawyers never offer to correct their screw-ups without continuing to charge you as if it was your fault.
Ok.. here we go ..
He does not tell you how to pressurize the gun ....
Note that his syringe on his gun is only good for 1540lbs or 70 ml/cc ..
YET .. he brags he just wormed 4 head avg wt of 825 lbs with 37.5 cc's each
then when he starts the next 4 head he sez to make sure the syringe is full .. as if it could do 4 head without re-priming ....>>>>(he is pumping more in the syringe as he does the cattle)
Now think about the 37.5 ml's .. an avg wt .. 825 lb.. dose ... is for the avg wt ... he missed giving 40%+ enough meds .. always go by your heaviest + a 100 lbs to make sure you get a killoff of worms. Like 990 lbs and 45 mils of wormer.
If you are going to work cattle you don't want to short cut and waste your time.
If you don't believe my heaviest wt analysis ... look in the pen in the back ground where the heifers are coming from ...
and then he warns you about shoot off if nozzle spray is too powerful ..
but does not shoot some more on that heifer to give her a full dose ..
there is your beginning of worms becoming immune ... by a PhD on youtube that already has 15,475 viewers ... lol
Now keep in mind this guy is from Tx A&M in the warmest part of Texas .. and he sez to worm cows late spring May 15th to July 1 ... never mentions to do it before calving time since calves do what foals do .. eat some of their mama's poop to get their good gut bacteria started and you want mama cleared out of worms so baby does not get a gut full of worm eggs. I think he may be an illegal immigrant from NE, SD, ND, MT, WY states where it is still snowing on those dates .. lol ..
90% of Tx doesn't have a killing frost till after Dec 15th or no frost. If you manage your cattle or horses .. you know that winter feeding brings them into contact with lots of poop in your feeding areas so if you wait 6 months they are going to be loaded and nursing 3-4 month old calves and losing weight twice as fast in the heat of May and June and end up with wormy calves.
He does mention stocker heifers again and might give 3 wormings but again his timing is all off and they are not nursing calves so I would favor my mama cows with 3 wormings ... lol
The larger the pasture with more acres per head the fewer worms your livestock will get ... a herd of horses most times will pick out a morning and evening common place for everyone to poop in the same "pile" so they come in contact with fewer little critters crawling up grass stems... in this case you have to pay attention to your poorest keeper and treat the whole herd at each time.
VIDEO TIME ..
https://youtu.be/LTBJxElpXr4
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| casualdust07 - 2017-08-23 6:07 PM Humans don't get vaccinated once, they get vaccinated in several series as a child and then as a young adult... And then depending on any wounds they may get as an adult they can get boostered for tetanus for example. I know I'm a vet and some of yall will think I will support vaccines for the profit but first off.. 1) we don't make very much money off vaccinations. They are so expensive we may make $10 off a vaccine. 2) spin off of #1- if we were doing it to make money we would rather just treat sick horses affected by the diseases vaccinated against. It costs about $1500 up front and up to $800-1000 a day to try and get a horse to survive tetanus if they do. 3) vaccines provide immunity but all things have a life span. The immunity for some diseases is stronger and longer than others. For example, the flu/rhino vaccine has a short immunity. To get the most out of your vaccine, you could target vaccinate when you know a show is coming up... if your horse never leaves the house, it probably doesn't need flu rhino. However, if you travel and go to shows, especially with young horses, your odds of getting sick after a show increase if they haven't been boostered. If you only give flu rhino once a year and then go to a show 9 months after the shot... it probably isn't helping you any. 4) Some diseases are incurable or refractory to treatment and vaccination is a safe preventative. RABIES- Rabies has NO CURE. If your animal is positive for rabies it WILL die and may infect you if you get in contact with its saliva. And if you get rabies- you are dead too. Only a handful of people in the entire world have survived being infected with rabies and a lot of times the neurologic signs don't always go away. All the encephalitides- west nile, eastern, western, and Venezuelan- have varying degrees of success with treatment. Yes you will see the occasional horse come back 100% from one of those diseases but many times they do not. And theres nothing you can do but supportive care to help them fight it themselves and see how much better they get. Vaccine labels have rules regarding what level of protection they give. Some aid in the prevention of viremia, some aid in the prevention of disease, some aid in the reduction of the severity of clinical signs- which may reduce viral shedding and disease transmission, or may reduce your vet bill because your horse ends up just needing some banamine for a couple days instead of intensive hospital care. That's my take on it, and I have dear friends of mine who are anti vaccination and will go to the grave with that mindset, and that's fine.. we agree to disagree. I've seen tetanus, I've seen west nile, I've seen rabies... its scary stuff.
Thanks CD!
I try to use common sense AND science with my vaccines. Pregnant, young or showing and they get their shots. Pasture butts get rabies and tetnus every 3 years. |
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when I get an open cut, scrape or hurt that will scab over.
The fact that horses poop has active tetanus in it is my motivator ..
There are two tetanus vaccines ..
TETANUS TOXOID the standard one does not become active for 2 weeks and is the one used to create immunity
TETANUS ANTITOXIN .... the emergency one is instant within 24 hours to
give a booster to an injured horse .... or if shot history is unknown..
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Actually Barrelhorseusa has some valid points. Most people under dose their horses with wormer. I have said it over and over that you need to accurately estimate your horses weight and DO NOT UNDERDOSE the wormer given. If they spit any out, give them more. I give 20% more than the highest possible weight of any of my animals. Weight tapes are not very accurate if you don't know where to put the tape. Any horse that is 15 hands and in good flesh is going to weigh at least 1200#. I worm for 1500#. |
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| when i grew up the vets used to tell us our horses weighed between 80-1000 lb. found our that my thick 15 hand mare weighed closer to 1200/1300 depending on how fit and my 16 hand gelding weighed 1250 not fit. when you give the whole tube we are under dosing. we need to really know how much our horses weigh
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-09-05 12:44 AM
As a human that owns horses I do think of taking a Tetanus booster
when I get an open cut, scrape or hurt that will scab over.
The fact that horses poop has active tetanus in it is my motivator ..
There are two tetanus vaccines ..
TETANUS TOXOID the standard one does not become active for 2 weeks and is the one used to create immunity
TETANUS ANTITOXIN .... the emergency one is instant within 24 hours to
give a booster to an injured horse .... or if shot history is unknown..
this one does not create immunity to tetanus.
Tetanus antitoxin is not a vaccine. |
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Location: Tennessee | Regardless of my feelings on the flu vaccine, you should consider the source here. Doshi is a scientist, but he has absolutely no credentials in the medical field, as he's an anthropologist. In addition, the article you referenced came out in the British Medical Journal and wasn't even peer reviewed, nor in the medical section. John Hopkins doesn't even back this so-called "research". |
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| ASK A PARENT THAT HAS A KID WITH AUTISM AND ADHD WHAT THEY
THINK OF GOVERNMENT // SCHOOL REQUIRED VACCINES ...
Then visit a graveyard and ask the people that died after taking a flu shot..
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You would think Americans would become aware of all the "studies"
and the "results" by universities, independent "researchers" and
company labs ....... THAT ALL OF THEM ARE RECEIVING MONEY FROM
SOMEWHERE TO COME UP WITH THE PRESCRIBED ANSWER TO SELL
DEATH TO MORE AMERICANS ... GRRRRRRRRRR
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-09-11 11:24 PM
ASK A PARENT THAT HAS A KID WITH AUTISM AND ADHD WHAT THEY
THINK OF GOVERNMENT // SCHOOL REQUIRED VACCINES ...
Then visit a graveyard and ask the people that died after taking a flu shot..
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You would think Americans would become aware of all the "studies"
and the "results" by universities, independent "researchers" and
company labs ....... THAT ALL OF THEM ARE RECEIVING MONEY FROM
SOMEWHERE TO COME UP WITH THE PRESCRIBED ANSWER TO SELL
DEATH TO MORE AMERICANS ... GRRRRRRRRRR
The Scientist that released the study that vaccines cause Autism admitted he made most of it up. THis was 2-3 years ago.. just FYI |
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