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Location: North Dakota | First videos July 29th 2017
https://youtu.be/dL5kzOgHrks
https://youtu.be/XI0_zZiLlH8
Second August 27th 2017 (she is in heat right now and is distracted by her boyfriends so don't mind that..)
https://youtu.be/HpviCXgVA8s
https://youtu.be/rck76u0gKu4
One day she was fine back in middle of July and a few days later when I came out to ride she was not. Never found any heat or swelling. I let her rest when initially it was found about 5 days. She also got adjusted during that time as she gets looked at monthly and was out in her lumbars that time. I came back from a work trip and watched her in the round pen and she seemed good to go, moving like her normal self. Well that lasted all of two rides and has been like this ever since.
Was seen by my vet for lameness exam around the 1st of August. After hearing the history I said and watching her my vets gut feeling was a soft tissue injury near her left hock, although we can't rule out stifle as we didn't do a block of the leg due to my limited budget as a college student and the stifle gets flexed slightly during the hock flexion she said.
She settle on near her hock since she has a larger amount of fluid in her tendon sheath in her left leg vs her right. She said that could be normal for her but that was the only fluid or abnormalities she could find without doing an ultrasound. All of that together led her to it. She said rest her 30 days and come back and let's see where she is at and discuss options again.
We did X-ray the left hock and she has some ugly hocks she said that are about 50% fused and some arthritis but she said that wouldn't come on so suddenly as I described. I plan to address those hocks once I can get this figured out or maybe sooner cause that is causing the problem?! I'm not sure.
So here I am 30 days later with no improvement and we are heading back to the vet in a a week and a half.
Looking for advice, opinions or experiences that you all have had.
I want to do what I can for this mare but like I said being in college limits my funds, unfortunately.
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Location: North Dakota | rodeomom3 - 2017-08-27 8:56 PM
Ultrasound suspensory and ligaments
I will call tomorrow and see how much an ultrasound is. Thank you! |
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| MidWest1452 - 2017-08-27 9:19 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-27 8:56 PM Ultrasound suspensory and ligaments I will call tomorrow and see how much an ultrasound is. Thank you!
I think I pay 60 |
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Location: North Dakota | rodeomom3 - 2017-08-27 9:24 PM
MidWest1452 - 2017-08-27 9:19 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-27 8:56 PM Ultrasound suspensory and ligaments I will call tomorrow and see how much an ultrasound is. Thank you!
Oh, that's not bad! My vet is a bit more expensive usally. They are the only major equine vet on the eastern half of ND so they get away with higher prices. Although if I feel the need I will haul her 4 hours down to a lameness vet in Minnesota. I know he is much more resonable. Just hard to find a day to haul down there. :/ |
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Location: Claremore, OK | It looks like it's in her stifle. Find a good lameness vet that can flex and block her to pin point the problem. Xray, ultra sound if xray is clean. Could be a soft tissue problem like evulsion of patellar ligament or damaged miniscus. |
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Location: North Dakota | Liana D - 2017-08-28 7:21 AM
It looks like it's in her stifle. Find a good lameness vet that can flex and block her to pin point the problem. Xray, ultra sound if xray is clean. Could be a soft tissue problem like evulsion of patellar ligament or damaged miniscus.
I chose not block the leg a month ago when she went in due to limited funds but thinking I might need to reconsider now that we have had no improvement. Thank you for taking the time to reply! I do appreciate any and all opinions. |
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Location: Arkansas | Prayers you get an answer and it's not too terribly bad  |
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Location: North Dakota | Chandler's Mom - 2017-08-28 7:11 PM
Prayers you get an answer and it's not too terribly bad
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | Left front and right hind stifle. Hoping you get answers and she makes a full recovery. |
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Location: Arkansas | MidWest1452 - 2017-08-29 7:56 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-08-28 7:11 PM
Prayers you get an answer and it's not too terribly bad
Thank you!
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Location: North Dakota | I hate to say it, but yours is moving VERY similar to mine. I took mine to Winnipeg for diagnoses and it wasn't good. Tore his meniscus in his stifle and blew out a collateral ligament in the process. He's done as a performance horse. |
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Location: North Dakota | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-08-30 4:11 PM
I hate to say it, but yours is moving VERY similar to mine. I took mine to Winnipeg for diagnoses and it wasn't good. Tore his meniscus in his stifle and blew out a collateral ligament in the process. He's done as a performance horse.
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Location: North Dakota | Finally have our appointment tomorrow with a lameness specialist near Minneapolis MN. Hoping to get some answers tomorrow. |
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Location: North Dakota | The vet visit did not go as I hoped.
It ended up being her left hock where the major issue was found.
Here is the exact text from the report. I took out stuff that tested normal to simplify the report. I will share the x-rays from August and yesterday with anyone who is curious. This is not something that is seen very often. There is no protocol for treatment that has been proven effective. We did inject the into the joint to try to reduce inflammation and get the body to start healing rather than to continue to degenerate. There is significant degeneration from August to now.
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IN HAND:
Grade 3/5 Lame on the Left Rear
Grade 3/5 lame on the lunge line worst to the left
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PALPATION:
Left Hind Palpation:
Left MFT has moderate swelling
Left tarsocrural joint has mild to moderate swelling Churchill Hock test: 2/5+
Flexion: 4-5/5+
Stifle Flexion: 3/5+
Right Hind Palpation:
Right MFT is within normal expectations Churchill Hock test: 2/5+
Flexion: -neg
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X-RAYS:
Left Stifle shows no significant pathology
Left hock shows talocalcaneal arthritis, this is a degenerative joint between the 2 bones comprising the tarsocrural joint
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NOTES:
Trinka shows evidence of talocalcaneal osteoarthritis. This is a serious issue that has a poor to guarded prognosis for athletic soundness. Conservative treatment (joint injection) has not been as successful as one would hope but serves as a starting point in the management. Surgical intervention by arthrodesis of the joint has improved the lameness but has not been successful in returning horses to their previous level of athleticism.
PLAN:
1) Inject talocalcaneal joint with hyaluronic acid and triamcinolone. This will hopefull reduce pain and inflammation in the joint
2) We highly recommend using OsPhos in a couple of weeks. This drugs stops osteoclastic activity, this is the bone activity that is dissolving the calcium in the joint and causing the bone loss.
3) We recommend allowing free choice exercise that will encourage the natural arthrodesis.
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Location: MN | Oh no  So sorry to hear this!! Prayers |
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| ETA- Look into Anicell. Im serious. It made my bad stifle mare sound. She was supposed to be a pasture pet the rest of her life and we are running the barrels with maintenance.
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Location: North Dakota | RoaniePonie11 - 2017-10-04 2:42 PM
ETA- Look into Anicell. Im serious. It made my bad stifle mare sound. She was supposed to be a pasture pet the rest of her life and we are running the barrels with maintenance.
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| MidWest1452 - 2017-10-04 2:55 PM
RoaniePonie11 - 2017-10-04 2:42 PM
ETA- Look into Anicell. Im serious. It made my bad stifle mare sound. She was supposed to be a pasture pet the rest of her life and we are running the barrels with maintenance.
I think Anicell is for soft tissue issues from what I read? Or was yours a bone issue?
Haha is all of the above an answer? Originally, my mare had a bone chip break off in her stifle (tip of her tibia) that is what caused the rest of her issues. The chip tore up a ligament, cartilage and her meniscus.
The vet that recommended i try it is a vet that used to work for my clinic that originally diagnosed my mare. After she used it on a variety of things (including tendons, hocks & stifles) she told me to try it. I am so glad I did. |
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