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| So a lady down the road from us wants me dead now.....apparently her best three halter show mares have foals by our racebred stud....DNA proves it. Somehow back in March when I went away for a clinic for a few weeks they snuck over here and got bred through the fence. The owner had them bred to foal in early Feb to a top Halter stud so DNA was done and my boy is the sire....
She is extremely ****ed and wants me to take the foals off her hands because she swears they will be useless to her....so now I have three foals all fillies that have a very uncertain future.
The mares are the following, (Playgirls Conclusion x Sugar bars), (Clu Heir x Coolest), (Impressive x Sierra Te)
If there is any chance these babies have a future in some kind of performance event or something please let me know!!!
P.S. The stallion is (Corona Cartel x Takin On The Cash) |
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| So did I get this right that the mares went over to your place? If that is the case, seems to me that she is liable and not you. |
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| I think if you have proof your stallion never escaped and her mares infiltrated your property, I would have hired a lawyer.
If her mares were bred in early February an ultrasound a couple weeks after they escaped in March should have been able to determine if they had a 6-8 week old fetus or a 16-20 day old fetus, which the vet could have aborted.
There's a lot of questions here.
To answer your present question, yes they probably do have a future as a performance horse. Their value isn't as good as if your stud were crossed on a cowbred or race bred mare, but yes they have value. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | Sandok - 2017-09-20 12:39 PM
So did I get this right that the mares went over to your place? If that is the case, seems to me that she is liable and not you.
Agreed. If her mares got out- I don't see how you are responsible?! The impressive in those colts makes them a shot in the dark. I've ridden several and they are either great or terrible, and they rarely have any kind of feet to speak of. |
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| Were the mares bred through the fence that divides your property, or did they actually come on your property? Guess we need some lawyers, but how is it your responsibility if her mares came on your property?
Hate to step on any toes, but it's irresponsibility of both owners to have fertile stock separated by a fence that does not prevent contact. |
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| My stallion lives next to my broods. This year I left one open. She has tried to be bred thru the fence but it's not going to happen. I know it is statistically possible for a mare to be bred thru a fence but I call BS on it happening often. I've watched. I see how much effort goes into the process and nothing doing in the end. I can also see that if my stallion did get enough of himself over the very tall fencing to make it possible, or got enough leg in between the fencing, he would end up stuck and/or hurt.
I'd be terribly suspicious that three mares got let in with your stallion in your absence instead of successful monkey business with three mares through a fence. js |
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If her mares got out, then that's partially on her. I'd definetely think about new fencing so your stud can't breed mares through it, you don't know if any of them had cooties. Having a stud is a huge pain and a huge responsibility, this is one reason why.
Hopefully her mares were N/N. I'm no fan of halter breds, they usually have **** poor confo. As long as they can be registered they'll still have some value. If one of my racebred mares was accidentally bred to something that wouldn't be racetrack worthy I wouldn't register the foal because it would hurt her produce record, I don't think that's the case with halter breds so hopefully they will at least get papered. I know it's probably difficult but try to be a good neighbor, **** happens, I hope she sees it that way too. All three of her mares got out and got bred, she hopefully sees her part in this. Good luck.
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| The stallion never escaped his pen and the mares came onto my property and backed up to the fence. As a side joke, they must have super fertility as this stallion isn't the one who gives out the heaviest artillery lol but if the foals are free and no further problems arise I guess taking them off her hands as she wont be able to use them wouldn't be such a bad thing. Only thing that worries me is that all foals are fillies and the mares they are out of are HYPP n/h so they could be carriers and I don't want a bad name selling a filly in the future out of my stud that could be HYPP n/h |
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Location: South Georgia | Now, I have a history showing pleasure and halter, but I'd love a cross like that! I'm a stickler for conformation, so that is like my dream cross. As with any other cross (even on running x running crosses), you'll have to find out if the resulting foal(s) have the heart for speed events. And the breeding of the 3 mares does sound nice! I realize I will be the odd man out in this scenario, however. |
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| lonely va barrelxr - 2017-09-20 2:07 PM
My stallion lives next to my broods. This year I left one open. She has tried to be bred thru the fence but it's not going to happen. I know it is statistically possible for a mare to be bred thru a fence but I call BS on it happening often. I've watched. I see how much effort goes into the process and nothing doing in the end. I can also see that if my stallion did get enough of himself over the very tall fencing to make it possible, or got enough leg in between the fencing, he would end up stuck and/or hurt.
I'd be terribly suspicious that three mares got let in with your stallion in your absence instead of successful monkey business with three mares through a fence. js
I wouldn't doubt it at this point....lets just say this isn't the first time I've found "lost" mares at my farm hanging out that happen to be in heat. Guess its time to build a perimeter fence and spend the extra money to put up a gate also....so sad. But hey if I get a nice offer, I'll just sell the stud and be done with it. |
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Location: South Georgia | ktbeasleyze - 2017-09-20 2:08 PM The stallion never escaped his pen and the mares came onto my property and backed up to the fence. As a side joke, they must have super fertility as this stallion isn't the one who gives out the heaviest artillery lol but if the foals are free and no further problems arise I guess taking them off her hands as she wont be able to use them wouldn't be such a bad thing. Only thing that worries me is that all foals are fillies and the mares they are out of are HYPP n/h so they could be carriers and I don't want a bad name selling a filly in the future out of my stud that could be HYPP n/h
True. This would be the one qualm. I hadn't seen the NH part. Cross your fingers for NN foals and you could still have nice looking, and possibly still athletic foals. |
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Location: Canada | I'd be pretty embarrassed if I was that woman and my horses got out and risked danger to your stallion. I'd sure as heck not be pitching a fit because MY mares got out. I'd be begging for forgiveness and asking for a breeding report so I could at least register the offspring.
That woman has some nerve. If she wants rid of the offspring take them. Get them registered and see what they turn out to be. You may have just been handed some lucky babies.
My rodeo mount is mostly halter/western pleasure bred. Very little on his papers screams barrel horse but he can run a set of cans so you may just have something there. :) |
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| Personally, I'd just take them, register them, get them 5 panel tested and sell them. She's out a years worth of foals, but hey, she could do the same thing! ^^^^
N/H shouldn't be bred anyways, so shame on her for doing it! Piffs me off....
Not gonna lie, there's a real good chance those colts will be quite spiffy bred like that! I had an old Impressive mare (grandsire was Impressive, so close) and she was a great all around horse, halter, pleasure, jumping, and barrels. She was old foundation on the bottom.
Edited by Nateracer 2017-09-20 1:32 PM
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| Well, good grief, how can she blame you for this? Her mares were on your property!! Ugh!!
Hate to lower your hopes, but there is so much ignorance about the Impressive bloodline I had no luck selling a beautiful, picture perfect mare I had, and she was NN! People see "Impressive" on the papers and run for the hills! You might have better luck selling them paperless! |
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| A lot of barrel horses go back to sugar bars, and I believe sierra tie had some do well in the barrel pen.
They could definitely be contenders depending on the top side |
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Location: Kansas | If marketed right, I'm sure you will be able to find good homes for them, especially the sugar bars bred filly |
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Location: South Georgia | luckyjo - 2017-09-20 3:10 PM Well, good grief, how can she blame you for this? Her mares were on your property!! Ugh!! Hate to lower your hopes, but there is so much ignorance about the Impressive bloodline I had no luck selling a beautiful, picture perfect mare I had, and she was NN! People see "Impressive" on the papers and run for the hills! You might have better luck selling them paperless!
I don't really agree. I think many are just uneducated. I would not sell them paperless. For those who are aware, there is value in Impressive lines. As with any other sale, there just needs to be the right buyer. |
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| 3 free registered horses. I'm sure you can sell them for something. Did you have someone watching your farm while you were gone? Sounds like they missed one heck of a party at your place.
Corona bred horses seem to have that heavy almost halter type body as it is. My curiosity is killing me. Do you happen to have photos of these happy accidents?
Edited by SloRide 2017-09-20 3:11 PM
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| Yes!! I'll get some pics of them! I'm just hoping they turn out not to be so heavily muscled. All else fails maybe I can use them as team roping horses since they wont have far to run lol |
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| ktbeasleyze - 2017-09-20 3:38 PM
Yes!! I'll get some pics of them! I'm just hoping they turn out not to be so heavily muscled. All else fails maybe I can use them as team roping horses since they wont have far to run lol
Haha...never drew a steer that runs like a deer? One of our favorite head horses is Streakin Six and Fols Native bred.
They should have value, determining what that value is will be heavily dependent on your area and how/when you market them (weankings vs broke to ride vs started and showing promise). |
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