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| I have a mare who literally makes me think she is trying kill me in the holding pen. She will stand quietly until asked to move then be comes totally uncontrollable, bouncing me off the fences like a pinball! She is the sweetest, best behaved mare you will ever be around with NO quirks or issues. She is a tank and built to stay sound and has no obvious issues. Now for what I have done to try and help the issue. $2, 000 in vet checks, ulcers, ovaries, stifles, 3 flexion tests, teeth done twice, plenty of chiropractor work, hocks injected due to small amount of arthritis. She is on a mare herb blend, mvp magnesium 5000 and tribute feed, one scoop a day. A man can get on her and she is fairly calm going in, when I get on, she can run sideways as she can forward. I have also tried chloropromazine an hour before running. Help! |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | You just gave the answer. She knows who is on her back and can get away with it. |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | What has been x rayed?
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Location: Mississippi | I have a friend whose horse does kind of the same thing and he does better if she has another horse help her in. Have you tried having a friend or 2 on each side walk in with you? This doesn't solve her issue by any means but it does help make it a bit more manageable. I know if it were me, this wouldn't be something I could put up with - I do this to enjoy myself and have fun. Granted this horse usually runs top of 1D most anywhere so I guess it's hard to say if I would tolerate it since I have never had one of that level. |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | I had a horse with bad gate problems when I got him. He'd come from a younger (high school age) girl that was intimidated by him, he'd been thoroughly vetted and given time off to be sure it wasn't pain. He'd flat run over what ever was in his way and after about flipping over on the asphalt and almost running into someone's vehicle...we had us a "come to Jesus meeting" with a stinger whip. Only had to do it once. He'd still be antsy, but he didn't refuse again or try to run over anyone or anything. |
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| We had a gelding that developed gate issues like you are describing, also spent a lot of money looking for a physical issue. Th current trainer was not one who would ride your horse at an event so we sent him to one that would. She worked with him for two weeks, entered him several times, dropped his head and walked in flat footed. Tells us he is ready for my daughter, the first time she entered he went back to how he was before the trainer and pitched a fit. She said he was just taking advantage and next time be ready with a whip that will hurt, when he starts up get hold of the reins, say his name and no as you hit him ONE time as hard as you can. That fixed it and in ten years he has never hesitated a step again. |
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Location: North Dakota | rodeomom3 - 2017-09-22 3:33 PM We had a gelding that developed gate issues like you are describing, also spent a lot of money looking for a physical issue. Th current trainer was not one who would ride your horse at an event so we sent him to one that would. She worked with him for two weeks, entered him several times, dropped his head and walked in flat footed. Tells us he is ready for my daughter, the first time she entered he went back to how he was before the trainer and pitched a fit. She said he was just taking advantage and next time be ready with a whip that will hurt, when he starts up get hold of the reins, say his name and no as you hit him ONE time as hard as you can. That fixed it and in ten years he has never hesitated a step again.
Yep both horse and rider need to be trained together. Work the gate at home more than you do anything else-set up different scenarios that mimic places you encounter and have problems. It can be a slow process but must be something that is done to make sure you and the horse are safe. Learn to be calm and that the horse is looking for YOU to be confident in what you're both doing! |
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| Honestly it depends on the horses personality too. My daughters horse wants to go in so bad to work that you simply can't stop her. She's funny about small spaces. Her issues started when they had to go through a roping box at a high school rodeo. You just growl at this mare and she thinks you're killing her. Hit her? Good luck with that. Start thumping on her, even once, and it will probably take all her try away because in some ways she's extremely timid. At rodeo's, she gets a pickup man to walk with her. If it's a roping box set up, she leads her in the rider before, has someone hold the mare, she gets on and turns to go. If it's a side gate, she tries to sneak into the gate with another horse, keeps the nose tipped towards the fence, eases her over and then turns and goes.
Brittany Pozzi's horse, Duke, was one nasty SOB at the gate. He'd rear, paw, strike and run all over the place. You can't tell me that he wasn't trained right and was ridden by someone that he took advantage of.
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Location: MN | xray the back |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | If you've ruled out pain, and she is doesn't do it with another ride then she's got your number and is bullying you. Kick her ass and show her you're the boss!
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| How's your hands, seat, and body control? A horse anticipating pain can be very hard to manage. |
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| Sorry haven't responded, been very busy. More info. She was blown up bad when I got her, spent the last two years slow working and trying to figure her out. I only had stifles and hocks xrayed. Didn't scope for bleeding. I really think she may just have my number. If a man jumps on her she is fairly good at the gate. I only ran her a handful of times the first year because I felt like mentally she needed a break. I'm just hoping we aren't missing a physical issue. Yes, she also will run into people if I am not careful. She does not walk in with another horse, I wish! Hidez mask, no good. She is great on the pattern and a real barrel hunter. I hate this issue! |
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| Hocks and stifles. She was giving some signs of hind gut ulcers, but nope. |
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| turtleaut - 2017-09-22 3:01 PM
I have a friend whose horse does kind of the same thing and he does better if she has another horse help her in. Have you tried having a friend or 2 on each side walk in with you?  This doesn't solve her issue by any means but it does help make it a bit more manageable. I know if it were me, this wouldn't be something I could put up with - I do this to enjoy myself and have fun. Granted this horse usually runs top of 1D most anywhere so I guess it's hard to say if I would tolerate it since I have never had one of that level. Â
Nope doesn't work. |
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| RockinGR - 2017-09-22 3:12 PM
I had a horse with bad gate problems when I got him. He'd come from a younger (high school age) girl that was intimidated by him, he'd been thoroughly vetted and given time off to be sure it wasn't pain. He'd flat run over what ever was in his way and after about flipping over on the asphalt and almost running into someone's vehicle...we had us a "come to Jesus meeting" with a stinger whip. Only had to do it once. He'd still be antsy, but he didn't refuse again or try to run over anyone or anything.
I have used a whip the last few times, but may need the stinger part! |
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| JcNhEmI - 2017-09-25 6:37 PM
If you've ruled out pain, and she is doesn't do it with another ride then she's got your number and is bullying you. Kick her ass and show her you're the boss!
I really do try, but sometimes she is scary! Guess I just need to get tougher. If I didn't hate horse shopping so much I would have given up by now. |
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Location: OH. IO | How did you treat the ulcers? |
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| SKM - 2017-09-22 4:23 PM
Honestly it depends on the horses personality too. My daughters horse wants to go in so bad to work that you simply can't stop her. She's funny about small spaces. Her issues started when they had to go through a roping box at a high school rodeo. You just growl at this mare and she thinks you're killing her. Hit her? Good luck with that. Start thumping on her, even once, and it will probably take all her try away because in some ways she's extremely timid. At rodeo's, she gets a pickup man to walk with her. If it's a roping box set up, she leads her in the rider before, has someone hold the mare, she gets on and turns to go. If it's a side gate, she tries to sneak into the gate with another horse, keeps the nose tipped towards the fence, eases her over and then turns and goes.
Brittany Pozzi's horse, Duke, was one nasty SOB at the gate. He'd rear, paw, strike and run all over the place. You can't tell me that he wasn't trained right and was ridden by someone that he took advantage of.
I truly do feel this is part of it. She comes off as this tough mare, but in some ways it's like she has no confidence. I get nervous and it doesn't matter what horse. I thinkmaybe she needs that and that's why she responds better to these guys who ride for a living.. I'm not a drinker but tried a couple of beers before running. Didn't work. |
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Location: OH. IO | jake16 - 2017-09-26 9:59 PM
How did you treat the ulcers?
Was she treated or didn't show signs of ulcers? |
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