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| what cutting horse stud would you breed to? Easy Jet/FWF mare |
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| None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses. |
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Location: lone star state | Cutting horses have become extremely specialized. Even within the cutting industry there are different styles and genetics..there is a jackpot/weekend horse and an open/futurity style, both are very different horses and genetics.
So depends on what your plans are for the foal as to what you would consider breeding to. |
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| Big fan of Dual Rey and Rey Dual - the former is more well known and spendy. Rey Dual is a full brother - I have a son of his who is athletic as all get out. He’s out of a Haidas Little Pep daughter who was a money earner in the cutting as well. In our smaller pens around here he’s shaping up to be formidable. Big pens he gets outrun right now. I would love to cross on a running bred personally and see if we could add a little size and speed but keep the barrel hunting can inhaling abilities.
Krystal runs a Dual Rey son out of a Miss N Cash (Dash for Cash) mare who is also super nice. |
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| Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 9:47 AM
None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with this. All I run is cow/race crosses, and they aint no slouches |
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Location: Arkansas | OhMax - 2017-09-23 1:10 PM
Big fan of Dual Rey and Rey Dual - the former is more well known and spendy. Rey Dual is a full brother - I have a son of his who is athletic as all get out. He’s out of a Haidas Little Pep daughter who was a money earner in the cutting as well. In our smaller pens around here he’s shaping up to be formidable. Big pens he gets outrun right now. I would love to cross on a running bred personally and see if we could add a little size and speed but keep the barrel hunting can inhaling abilities.
Krystal runs a Dual Rey son out of a Miss N Cash (Dash for Cash) mare who is also super nice.
Love your cross--he should be able to do about anything  |
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Location: Texas | Meep.Meep - 2017-09-23 2:12 PM
Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 9:47 AM
None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with this. All I run is cow/race crosses, and they aint no slouches
I agree with Whiteboy... I definitely know I've had my butt kicked by 100% cutting bred horses, and definitely been outran by the run/cow cross. But I personally don't have enough experience with any of those lines to create something from the ground up. I wouldn't know what to expect. I would personally have better luck buying something already on the ground. There are some gorgeous cutters that come into the clinic I work at. Really really nice ones. I saw a barrel horse for sale by Spots Hot and holy cow I wish I could have bought him myself. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 10:47 AM None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
I guess that is why Lindsey bred Martha to Metallic Cat last year. Plus a few other high dollar barrel horses. Lol. |
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-09-23 2:12 PM
Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 9:47 AM
None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with this. All I run is cow/race crosses, and they aint no slouches
I will ditto that also! They can flat stop the clock. I have had 2 and they were quick! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | If you looked at all the top 10 in every barrel futurity, I think Whiteboy has a valid point. Race and barrel bred (FG/FWF etc) are going to be in those standings 10 to 1 vs your cutting breds.
Everyone is after the ultimate outcross and there have been some real nice winners, even at the NFR level. But the numbers do not hold a candle to your race/barrel bred horses.
Those with the money and mare power to breed to whatever they want are fine and dandy, but it does not mean they are going to get a barrel burner out of the deal. They just have the money to give it a try and often a mare that just may have the ability to produce it. MCM would be a good cross on Playgun to get a runner I bet. She had all the run in the world.
I have ridden both and I mean daughters/sons of some of the leading sires back in the early 2000's. We wouldn't have chosen but maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds to come home and work the ranch on.
So back to the OP. IF I were to pick something, I would pretty much only go with Playgun or a thick bodied, heavy boned son or a son of Smart Chic Olena that is out of a Colonel Freckles daughter. |
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I've seen several straight cutting bred barrel
horses that consistently are in the top ten, running at races with numbers of 900 or better horses most of this year. Personally, I don't think that's too shabby.
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| This is the way I look at the whole picture. Barrel Horse News just had the leading barrel sires for the past decade. If you want to go win, pick one of these. I don't think there are any cutting horses on the list. If you are planning to go win at your local jackpot, I don't think it will make much difference. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-09-23 6:59 PM
If you looked at all the top 10 in every barrel futurity, I think Whiteboy has a valid point. Race and barrel bred (FG/FWF etc) are going to be in those standings 10 to 1 vs your cutting breds.
Everyone is after the ultimate outcross and there have been some real nice winners, even at the NFR level. But the numbers do not hold a candle to your race/barrel bred horses.
Those with the money and mare power to breed to whatever they want are fine and dandy, but it does not mean they are going to get a barrel burner out of the deal. They just have the money to give it a try and often a mare that just may have the ability to produce it. MCM would be a good cross on Playgun to get a runner I bet. She had all the run in the world.
I have ridden both and I mean daughters/sons of some of the leading sires back in the early 2000's. We wouldn't have chosen but maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds to come home and work the ranch on.
So back to the OP. IF I were to pick something, I would pretty much only go with Playgun or a thick bodied, heavy boned son or a son of Smart Chic Olena that is out of a Colonel Freckles daughter.
I agree with this. I would stick with the Playgun lines, they are well built, good minded and are a bit more heavy duty than most of the "super refined cutting bred horses". Plus no 5 panel issues like with HBC and some of those. Here are two of his sons I like:
PG Dry Fire (Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc) is very nice. He is a great breakaway horse and has excelled in working cow.
Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB) is phenomenal. Super catty, quick and a sweetheart.
I think the run/cow cross is the way to go, however the race/barrel cross is really big right now, and there are a lot of winners out there. Personally, I would like to see more of the cow lines bred back into a lot of those horses, as it can get too concentrated with certain stereotypies and genetic issues (and I just think diversity is a good thing in equine genetics!)
We bred our TB mare (Big Brown x Don't Smoke by Smoke Glacken) to Hired Gun and cannot wait to see the foal this spring. Literal run/cow cross right here  |
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| Cutting / Run cross is what I do both my broodies are well breed cutting type mares.
Drew (Hired Gun) mentioned above is very nice, my friend owned him and he is a great horse, throws a HUGE hip, his kids seem very smart and sensible.
There is stallion up here too called Reys From Heaven, He is NICE great mind, GREAT bone you could rope bulls on this sucker he's built, not that dainty cutting horse many people think of. I know him too, with the exchange shopping Texas breeding In Canada is a good way to go. His first 2 kids to hit sows are wining. He was breed to a special leader mare and that foal is to die for!
This is a 2 year old by him I raised, she can really scoot (shes out of my spoonful mare though so 100% cow)
there are quite a few cutting / cow stallions with kids winning in barrles. I supose it all depends on the style of horse you like. My spoonful daughter crosses really nice on dash ta fame sons and her marta six moons son foal is looking pretty fantastic.
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| Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 8:47 AM
None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
except for lenas sugar daddy ;-) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | della - 2017-09-24 11:15 AM Cutting / Run cross is what I do both my broodies are well breed cutting type mares.
Drew (Hired Gun ) mentioned above is very nice, my friend owned him and he is a great horse, throws a HUGE hip, his kids seem very smart and sensible.
There is stallion up here too called Reys From Heaven, He is NICE great mind, GREAT bone you could rope bulls on this sucker he's built, not that dainty cutting horse many people think of. I know him too, with the exchange shopping Texas breeding In Canada is a good way to go. His first 2 kids to hit sows are wining. He was breed to a special leader mare and that foal is to die for!
This is a 2 year old by him I raised, she can really scoot (shes out of my spoonful mare though so 100% cow )
there are quite a few cutting / cow stallions with kids winning in barrles. I supose it all depends on the style of horse you like. My spoonful daughter crosses really nice on dash ta fame sons and her marta six moons son foal is looking pretty fantastic.
Cute filly Della.  |
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| della - 2017-09-24 11:30 AM
Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 8:47 AM
None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
except for lenas sugar daddy ;- )
Other than Blazin Jetalena I am kind of in the dark on this one.
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Location: Texas | Whiteboy is entitled to his opinion... if it doesn't fit his program, he's just as right as anyone else on here to give his opinion. That is what the OP asked for anyway.
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| casualdust07 - 2017-09-24 12:37 PM
Whiteboy is entitled to his opinion... if it doesn't fit his program, he's just as right as anyone else on here to give his opinion. That is what the OP asked for anyway.
Nobody said he couldn't. We are just giving ours also 
The OP asked "what cutting stud" Not "should I breed to a cutting stud"
I love anything with Smart Little Lena as close as I can get. Also like Peptoboonsmal. |
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| streakysox - 2017-09-24 11:26 AM
della - 2017-09-24 11:30 AM
Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 8:47 AM
None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
except for lenas sugar daddy ;- )
Other than Blazin Jetalena I am kind of in the dark on this one.
I was just being my normal smart ass self.
Blazin jetoleana has a lot of great cow/cutting blood in him. He's a million dollar sire and NFR producer. The right cow / run cross can be magic.
Everybody has their own program and what they like and look for in breeding and crosses. I my self have 0 interest in many popular lines because I do not believe it will produce the horses I want out of my mares.
Cow/Run is something I love and am very passionate about. Cowbreed horses have my sole, barrel racing my heart.
Did not mean any offence  |
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