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Location: The Lone Star State | I am getting older and have always broke my own colts and trained them but because im getting older and too busy I decided to send my 2.5 year old Frenchmans Bogie/World speed colt off to be broke. I sent him to a very reputable trainer so no worries there (got lots of good recommendations for this guy) BUT this colt is stubborn and quite a hard headed dude. He has been at the trainers exactly 1 month and he has been updating me but he told me today that he was cow kicking and just being an ornery **** when he was ground driving and round penning him, he has been on him 5 or 6 times snubbed up to another gelding and he did buck each time but not bad enough to unload him. He said he wasnt too worried about it and the he was showing improvement but he has quite the "attitude" he said. He said he just wants him to give it up so to speak.
I am so glad I made the decision to send him off and I plan to let him have him for several months but jheez It makes me concerned.
I had to geld him early because he was so studdy so Im not surprised one bit at this info and kind of expected it.
Just wanted yalls thoughts or stories about ones you have had like this?? |
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| Is he gelded now? I just find this odd because I have a Frenchman's Bogie filly who literally was born halter broke and is so feely and smart and good minded!
ETA: Sorry, missed the last line! I agree give him another month- lots of wet saddle blankets. And post some pics if you have any!
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Location: Deep South | I would give him one more month to make significant progress on the behavioral issues. Then I would be concerned.
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| this is just my personal opinion. I know that there have been some amazing horses that were hell to deal with at first. However, I do horses as a hobby. They are supposed to be "fun" for me. This being said, I won't keep one that doesn't want to get with the program. I have 3. They all have their personalities, and their quirks, but they are all respectful and mostly willing. I have 1 that has bucked in the past but I got after him for it and that was that. Life is too short for a hard to deal with horse IMO. Some people thrive on a challenge- I don't. The rest of my life is PLENTY challenging for me LOL |
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Location: Windoming | I had a two year old frenchmans bred filly that would whirl around and kick at you in the same spot in the round pen. It took three of us taking turns working her in the round pen one day until she finally stopped kicking out. She is 14 now and has never kicked since then. Total attitude adjustment. |
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| As long as you have the colt with a good trainer whose style fits him well, don't worry too much and give it a little time. A lot of people don't see what their nice older horses were like as 2-year-olds and the work that went into making them those nice older horses. |
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Location: The Lone Star State | Thanks for the replys, I am planning on him staying at least 2 more months. I agree life if too short to keep a bad one but he is so dang athletic I am praying he gets with the program!
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Location: Oklahoma | I have a Frenchmen Bogie that is 10 yrs. old. He bucked a little when he was getting broke and they said you cant give him an inch he will take a mile lol. When I got mine home he was fine unless he was sick or hurt he would buck but only to let me know something was wrong. I would fix and he was fine. Good luck with him! Yours is still a baby, he will grow up. :)) |
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Location: Texas | I'd give him more time.
A few years ago, I sent a filly off that was out of my favorite old mare; it was her last baby. The trainer called after a couple weeks and told me she's broncy. He said "lets give it a couple more weeks". He did, and she turned the corner!! I'm an old lady and I ride this lovely mare now.
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I had to reply. I’ve been in your shoes many times the last few years. The last one I got was the worst. He stayed at the trainer’s barn for a year. Unfortunately despite all the riding he has never gotten trustworthy. I sold him. It wasn’t worth me dying. However, I pray yours turns around.
But I had one that did turn around. And he never was bad again.
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| I have two granddaughters of Frenchmans Bogie. Both are exceptional barrel horses. The four year old threw me in June. Had her at the vet the next week and she had ulcers. No signs. Not really under stress. Both of them had a little attitude when they went to the trainer but seem to have out grown that. One is a multiple champion and world champion. |
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| If they buck they find a new home. I don't have time to mistrust one. |
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| I have a Sun Frost bred filly that's a bit of a challenge currently. She's 2, just went for 45 days in Sept. She was doing great. Hadn't bucked since about middle of week 2. He took out on trail rides alone and you don't do that with a nut! I went and rode her several times at his place and all was good.
Brought her home and she lost her mind. She went into a hard heat and she bucked just saddling and then she bucked me off. I called the trainer and he came out and rode her. He was shocked. I could see a marked difference in her attitude. She even bucked him off at one point during that ride.
Currently due to weather and work, she's getting the winter off. Next spring, there's a real good chance she'll go back to the trainer for a spring tune up. If at that point she doesn't come around, I'll sadly have to sell her. I'm getting to the point that I'm not thrilled at hitting the dirt and if I can't trust her, then what's the point? I'm praying she comes around because she's going to be stellar if I can harness her mare-i-tude. |
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Location: SE KS | I have a gelding he's 10. We've owned him since he was a yearling, watching him play in the pasture, I couldn't wait for him to be old enough to ride, he looked like he had a lope to die for!!!! Husband decides it'll be his heel horse. He was little so we waited an extra year to start him, he's been ridden of n on several times for us, so he's broke. So as a 4 yo he goes to the rope horse trainer, does good, we bring him home, husband doesn't ride for a little while, takes him to the roping pen, bucks him off. Cracked ribs & a partially collapsed lung, husband doesn't ride him again. I take him on, he has bucked me off at least once maybe twice. He cannot be let off he has to be ridden every day!!!!!!!!! Now as an older horse he's so much better!!!!!!!! The good ones take some figuring out as long as I rode him and started out at a long trot for the first 20 or 30 minutes he was good, but if you start out fast he would buck!!!
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Location: Claremore, OK | I’d give him at least one more month, IF you trust your trainer’s opinion. (Having to ride snubbed to a pony horse isn’t my style )
I think having to cut him early due to attitude is a pretty good sign he might not have a great attitude. Before I made a decision I would want to make sure there wasn’t a pain issue. |
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| I'm so glad you asked this though. I was nervous to ask it.
I see SO many ads, No Buck, Sweet as can be, blah blah. I truly wondered how many had hard starters out there and how long to keep trying! |
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| I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
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| mgander - 2017-10-31 10:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
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| At this point, I'm just glad my horse isn't this bad! This has been viral on FB lately.
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| Ticktock - 2017-10-30 7:36 PM Thanks for the replys, I am planning on him staying at least 2 more months. I agree life if too short to keep a bad one but he is so dang athletic I am praying he gets with the program!
He's really cute!! He'll figure it out:) |
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