Katielovestbs - 2017-11-27 3:37 PM Is she fragile minded? What are you using in her mouth? Guessing you are using a snaffle, if she's early in training...I would switch to a hackamore. Also assuming she's not sore anywhere. I got a filly after "30 days" one time that was totally blown up. Switched her to a hack, and it did wonders for her =]

slacy09 - 2017-11-27 4:49 PM

 Thank you. She spent 45 days with a really good trainer and has come a long way if that tells you anything. I don't want her to go fast, I want her to stay calm and slow. 

veintiocho - 2017-11-27 5:29 PM was she moving with a low headset and rounded back with the trainer? If so, maybe you could go ride with him/her and get that soft feel back? I'm not talking about going fast here either, start at a walk and get her trotting correctly and in balance and move up...

little_bug - 2017-11-27 7:19 PM That horse looks very uncomfortable and mad. I would say something is wrong not pertaining to training.  

Tilt The Kilt - 2017-11-27 8:18 PM

Collection doesn't come in 45 days, it takes a long time to build that knowledge and fitness level in a horse.  And it comes from back to front, she's all over the place head to tail, toe to spine.  She's a long, long way from even being asked for the first baby steps of it.   She needs to be dialed way back and started over methodically without asking for "collection" or anything else for quite some time.  She has no earthly idea what she's supposed to be doing or what's being asked of her.  

This graphic isn't short term path, but it's to give an idea of where one starts, at the base, and collection is the very last thing to come. 



 

Tilt The Kilt - 2017-11-27 8:52 PM

Ok but still...collection takes a long, long time. I realize that barrel racers set their horses paths at a different pace than us english riders, but it should never be a concern for months and months and months.  If she were mine or one of my husband's cutters, we'd first ask nothing but some long reined rides at a walk.  Just change direction, doing squares, etc.  I would likely before that get her flexing side to side, from the ground to start.  Something like the video link.  BUT, I'd only ask her for a slight give to start with.  The second she even moves her nose an inch or less but still gets a response in the right direction, let go. That's her reward. And build to basically what he's doing.  Over days not minutes.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3LzLWqi9o

Then when she's soft and responding clear to the side with very little ask from you, I'd ask for the same response in the saddle at a halt.  You're building to what I'd do to help me gain some control so she'll gain some rhythm in her trot.  Once she's soft side to side at a halt, then move to walk and when you've walked her a ways, then softy ask her to come to a stop by basically a one-rein stop, then release her.   So then, when you are ready to start trotting, you just trot.  Long side, away you go, see if she speeds up - she will. When she gets enough out of the cadence you've determined her to go in and you feel she's getting willy nilly and lost, you again, one rein stop her. But gently. No snatching, it's a slow soft transition.  And ground to walk to trot is over weeks, not one lesson.  Make sure she's soft and solid fully understanding the request before adding any speed.  She will, over time, learn where you want her.  When she is working at a regular pace, do circles again, do squares, changes of direction.  I'll video our newest horse with my husband doing all this sometime and send it if you'd like it.  He's an OTT I'll be jumping, and my husband sold his horse, so I'm letting him spend some time with him doing it his way.  Rhythm first.  You can't train a horse at paces they choose.  It's frenetic and distracting for both of you.  

I don't know if she's in pain, if she's got mouth issues, saddle fit, the wrong bit, but I agree with the others, she's evading something - she's very uncomfortable and add to that, she's green enough she is just falling apart over the physical and the mental by the looks of it.  Besides figuring out the physical issues, horses like this need time to train, their timeline, not ours.  ETA: and I'm sorry, it's hard to explain all this in writing vs. a video or having the horse in front of you.  Good luck to you, I hope it gets resolved for both of you.  
 

*almost there* - 2017-11-27 8:35 PM

I would need better video to help pin point what I'm looking at, but something is not right with that horse, and I do not think it is the training. She moved very very odd. Is she full quarter horse?

slacy09 - 2017-11-27 7:38 PM

 Also she is barefoot. She's never been shod