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| Has anyone seen this about the new log systems for commercial vehicles and the stipulations for adding... Especially for horse people that compete? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1478806775559623&id=1192... |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | I just read about that this morning and i think its complete bull. I date a trucker and also work in the trucking business so i see it from all sides and ELDs are nothing but trouble. its just another way to screw our truckers. Especially for people like me who only haul a couple times a week to jackpots/rodeos, who haul friends and the occasional person going to the same place. So i pull a $45 paycheck at a small jackpot and beacuse i did i now can get fined for not being registered as a "commerical driver." It blows my mind how little coverage there is about this. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Ohiobarrelracer - 2017-11-29 8:07 AM I just read about that this morning and i think its complete bull. I date a trucker and also work in the trucking business so i see it from all sides and ELDs are nothing but trouble. its just another way to screw our truckers. Especially for people like me who only haul a couple times a week to jackpots/rodeos, who haul friends and the occasional person going to the same place. So i pull a $45 paycheck at a small jackpot and beacuse i did i now can get fined for not being registered as a "commerical driver." It blows my mind how little coverage there is about this. Well, if you do work in the trucking industry then you should know that it is going to be enforced. And, there is no way to cheat it if a unit is installed.
That being said - the line is a thin one between the DOT and people who have horse trailers etc. There have always been rules about medical cards and CDL's in place. They have just been lax about enforcing those rules. As local economies and tax dollars become scarce, they will look to these items to make money from fines. Pure and simple.
We might all think it is not a good law, but it is in place. '
Deal with it as you wish.
PS - yes I work in the trucking industry and have for over 30 years...................................do I have a CDL? Yes, since 1979. Will I get a unit in our personal truck, no.
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| . I wish there was a precise list of the regulations for the elds so people have a better understanding. It's so murky. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-11-29 1:00 PM . I wish there was a precise list of the regulations for the elds so people have a better understanding. It's so murky.
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| 1DSoon - 2017-11-29 12:03 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-11-29 1:00 PM . I wish there was a precise list of the regulations for the elds so people have a better understanding. It's so murky.
there is
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | 3canstorun - 2017-11-29 8:56 AM Ohiobarrelracer - 2017-11-29 8:07 AM I just read about that this morning and i think its complete bull. I date a trucker and also work in the trucking business so i see it from all sides and ELDs are nothing but trouble. its just another way to screw our truckers. Especially for people like me who only haul a couple times a week to jackpots/rodeos, who haul friends and the occasional person going to the same place. So i pull a $45 paycheck at a small jackpot and beacuse i did i now can get fined for not being registered as a "commerical driver." It blows my mind how little coverage there is about this. Well, if you do work in the trucking industry then you should know that it is going to be enforced. And, there is no way to cheat it if a unit is installed.
That being said - the line is a thin one between the DOT and people who have horse trailers etc. There have always been rules about medical cards and CDL's in place. They have just been lax about enforcing those rules. As local economies and tax dollars become scarce, they will look to these items to make money from fines. Pure and simple.
We might all think it is not a good law, but it is in place. '
Deal with it as you wish.
PS - yes I work in the trucking industry and have for over 30 years...................................do I have a CDL? Yes, since 1979. Will I get a unit in our personal truck, no.
Oh i know very well that its going to be, unfortunatly. I wont be putting one in my personal either, i dont agree with it at all. I feel sorry for our truckers, i really do. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-11-29 1:50 PM 1DSoon - 2017-11-29 12:03 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-11-29 1:00 PM . I wish there was a precise list of the regulations for the elds so people have a better understanding. It's so murky. there is
where? The dot? It's still pretty gray
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/electronic-logging-devices
There is also a FAQ page too
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| I just saw that article shared...daaaaamn is all I can say.
I know we’ve been floating in the gray area but dang.
So let’s say I do get an ELD installed on my dually truck (not that I want one, I don’t, but for hypotheticals). Often my dually is also my daily driver when my husband has our other truck. If I take off and drive 8 miles to work on a Friday morning at 7am, not hooked to a trailer, does my time start with the ELD? If so you’d have to be at your rodeo before 9pm (likely yes) but you couldn’t drive home until 7am the following morning after your 10 hours? Is that right?
If that’s the way it works...we would quite literally have to purchase a third unneeded vehicle so the dually could only move when hooked to a trailer. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | OhMax - 2017-11-29 3:54 PM I just saw that article shared...daaaaamn is all I can say. I know we’ve been floating in the gray area but dang. So let’s say I do get an ELD installed on my dually truck (not that I want one, I don’t, but for hypotheticals). Often my dually is also my daily driver when my husband has our other truck. If I take off and drive 8 miles to work on a Friday morning at 7am, not hooked to a trailer, does my time start with the ELD? If so you’d have to be at your rodeo before 9pm (likely yes) but you couldn’t drive home until 7am the following morning after your 10 hours? Is that right? If that’s the way it works...we would quite literally have to purchase a third unneeded vehicle so the dually could only move when hooked to a trailer.
Read the FAQ's.
If your vehicle was manufactured before 2000, you never have to use one. If you only use it less then 8 days in a 30 day period you don't. A lot of variables. Which is why the whole thing sucks. |
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Location: Illinois | I've spoken to a couple people about this and was told that I was fine, but I'm way under the weight limit for a required CDL. I just have a 3/4 ton truck and 3 horse 8' short wall LQ. So even if I do win money somewhere, I don't fall under all 3 rules. One person was from the DMV, one was a cop, and one was a teacher at a truck driving school and they all said the same, so I assume they're correct. |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-11-29 4:48 PM
I've spoken to a couple people about this and was told that I was fine, but I'm way under the weight limit for a required CDL. I just have a 3/4 ton truck and 3 horse 8' short wall LQ. So even if I do win money somewhere, I don't fall under all 3 rules. One person was from the DMV, one was a cop, and one was a teacher at a truck driving school and they all said the same, so I assume they're correct.
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Location: Illinois | In the article where it says your vehicle must be outfitted with an ELD under the following conditions. I was told by them that you had to fall under all 3 and I'm pretty far under the weight requirement for a CDL. I'm just going by their knowledge and how the interpret it all, but since they said the same thing I'm rolling with it. If I get in trouble then I guess I'll just start hauling my horse to exhibition only and just have fun. I don't travel very far in general anyway. |
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| I have farm tags on my trailer so I have always told them I was coming or going to the vet. Which is usually true nowadays |
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| According to this 90% of barrel racers or horseman that use their rig to show or for their business need an ELD... Especially if you claim it on your taxes. Thats how it remains murky or gray...
http://www.horsenation.com/2017/11/29/electronic-logging-devices-commercial-motor-vehicles-what-new-regulations-mean-for-horse-owners/ |
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| 3canstorun - 2017-11-29 3:11 PM
OhMax - 2017-11-29 3:54 PM I just saw that article shared...daaaaamn is all I can say. I know we’ve been floating in the gray area but dang. So let’s say I do get an ELD installed on my dually truck (not that I want one, I don’t, but for hypotheticals). Often my dually is also my daily driver when my husband has our other truck. If I take off and drive 8 miles to work on a Friday morning at 7am, not hooked to a trailer, does my time start with the ELD? If so you’d have to be at your rodeo before 9pm (likely yes) but you couldn’t drive home until 7am the following morning after your 10 hours? Is that right? If that’s the way it works...we would quite literally have to purchase a third unneeded vehicle so the dually could only move when hooked to a trailer.
Read the FAQ's.
If your vehicle was manufactured before 2000, you never have to use one. If you only use it less then 8 days in a 30 day period you don't. A lot of variables. Which is why the whole thing sucks.
That’ll be a bookmark for a slow day at work, or a vicious case of insomnia. Every time I thought I was going to get an answer it told me to look up another rule...felt like I needed to take notes.
But to answer your question, yes the truck is newer than 2000. Most months we drive it more than 8 days. Summer months always more than 8 days towing. Winter months more than 8 days but not as a towing vehicle. The gvwr on the truck alone is 9900, it’s a standard 1 ton and my understand is under 10k doesn’t require anything special. It’s when it’s hooked to the trailer that we go over the 26k GVWR. And my trailer is hardly the largest rig out on the road.
At the end of the day we probably won’t do anything unless we start to see folks hauling horse trailers get popped more often, or get popped ourselves, hate to say it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-11-29 9:03 PM According to this 90% of barrel racers or horseman that use their rig to show or for their business need an ELD... Especially if you claim it on your taxes. Thats how it remains murky or gray...
http://www.horsenation.com/2017/11/29/electronic-logging-devices-co...
How does the DOT know if you claim horses on your taxes? |
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Location: OH | A lot has to do with intent---if you are going to a horse show with intent of making money---that is commercial, whether you make money or not.
There are loopholes as stated, also, if you stay under 150 AIR MILES from your home an ELD is not required.
One of the HUGE issues with enforcement of the ELD with truckers is that there are currently 400 different ELD systems---there is NO WAY that the DOT inspectors know how to operate them. |
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Location: OH | OhMax - 2017-11-29 10:47 PM 3canstorun - 2017-11-29 3:11 PM OhMax - 2017-11-29 3:54 PM I just saw that article shared...daaaaamn is all I can say. I know we’ve been floating in the gray area but dang. So let’s say I do get an ELD installed on my dually truck (not that I want one, I don’t, but for hypotheticals). Often my dually is also my daily driver when my husband has our other truck. If I take off and drive 8 miles to work on a Friday morning at 7am, not hooked to a trailer, does my time start with the ELD? If so you’d have to be at your rodeo before 9pm (likely yes) but you couldn’t drive home until 7am the following morning after your 10 hours? Is that right? If that’s the way it works...we would quite literally have to purchase a third unneeded vehicle so the dually could only move when hooked to a trailer. Read the FAQ's.
If your vehicle was manufactured before 2000, you never have to use one. If you only use it less then 8 days in a 30 day period you don't. A lot of variables. Which is why the whole thing sucks. That’ll be a bookmark for a slow day at work, or a vicious case of insomnia. Every time I thought I was going to get an answer it told me to look up another rule...felt like I needed to take notes. But to answer your question, yes the truck is newer than 2000. Most months we drive it more than 8 days. Summer months always more than 8 days towing. Winter months more than 8 days but not as a towing vehicle. The gvwr on the truck alone is 9900, it’s a standard 1 ton and my understand is under 10k doesn’t require anything special. It’s when it’s hooked to the trailer that we go over the 26k GVWR. And my trailer is hardly the largest rig out on the road. At the end of the day we probably won’t do anything unless we start to see folks hauling horse trailers get popped more often, or get popped ourselves, hate to say it.
I believe this will be the case with most and honestly---it is going to be such a mess with the ACTUAL commercial drivers, I cannot see them messing with horse trailers for quite a while. |
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