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Location: South Georgia | The vet "suspects" my mare's behavior is being caused by stomach ulcers. I have read so much conflicting information about generic omeprazole compounded vs. Ulcergard. What treatment options have you used and had success with, and what was the cost?
My mare is a picky eater and has been on and off of her feed, so I am thinking paste or tablets are my only option.
Have any of you heard of successes using AbGard by Abler? Also, what other compounding pharmacies can you recommend?
I can't very easily change her feed because I am at a boarding barn and she is on pasture board.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | As far as actual uclers go...I have had the best results with a compounded Omeprazole/carafate combo. There is a local US Compounding Pharmacy that makes it up.
I will also say that I have been using the Purina Outlast on a horse that gets chronic diarrhea. He's 29 and has had some GI issues related to the number of birthdays he has had...and not much as helped him. But this Purina Outlast really seems to be working for him. It's inexpensive and he eats it on his feed. He is one that will walk away from his feed pan if he even suspects there might be meds in it. He has been on it for a week now and it has made a significant improvement...formed balls instead of cow patties, and he is very hungry/eager for his meals. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | I never had any luck with ulcergard. I use In athe Zone by animal element. A tube a day for five days will work wonders on a horse with mild ulcers. I haven’t tried it on anything “bad”, but it’s my go to. It’s like $20 a tube, so you’re looking at $100. |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | Can i ask what kind of grain you are feeding? and how much hay is she getting/what kind? That could be contributing to the ulcers as well. I had amazing luck with the DAC cool gut. and yes it did actually HEAL my horses ulcers. He was scoped before and after we went through a tub of it and they were healed. Very affordable. I love the DAC products. I do have one extremely picky eater though and he sifted right through the cool gut and wouldnt eat it, so to save me on having to buy multiple supplements, i switched both of them over to the purina OUTLAST. We've gone through one bag so far and they are getting 1 cup am and pm right on top of their grain and they LOVE it!! They really are doing well on it. Keeping alfalfa infront of them has been a big help as well. |
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Location: Middle TN | Thanks for the info TrailGirl on Purina Outlast. Have recently taken the plunge and purchased a bag in the hope of formed balls and not cow patties. How long have you been using? |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | My guy has been getting the Outlast for 10 days now. I give it to him morning and night mixed in his feed and on weekends he gets a mid day snack because I am home, and I want to get all of the calories into him that I can.
I didn't expect it to have any effect. Not much has helped. So...for now.. consider me impressed! |
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Location: South Georgia | I think I may take the plunge and order the AbGard. My farrier says he has clients who swear by it. All of the concentrations are the same as GastroGard.
https://www.abler.com/gastric-ulcer-treatments/abgard-stable-pack
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| GastroPLUS by THE!!! Only thing I've found to actually work... everything else messes with the pH of their stomach and once you are done with dosing, 9/10 you have another flare up. |
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Location: South Georgia | panamasgold - 2017-12-18 10:37 AM GastroPLUS by THE!!! Only thing I've found to actually work... everything else messes with the pH of their stomach and once you are done with dosing, 9/10 you have another flare up.
I may look into that as a preventative after the course of treatment. She is off her feed, so I really need to do paste at this point. |
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| horsegirl - 2017-12-18 10:41 AM panamasgold - 2017-12-18 10:37 AM GastroPLUS by THE!!! Only thing I've found to actually work... everything else messes with the pH of their stomach and once you are done with dosing, 9/10 you have another flare up. I may look into that as a preventative after the course of treatment. She is off her feed, so I really need to do paste at this point.
It can easily be made into a paste to dose... It is the only thing that helped my horses and I won't use anything else cause other options make ulcers just a vicious cycle... plus it won't cost you an arm and a leg to treat. They have the G.I. Ulcer Support to use afterward. Like I said, I have used everything from the vet and nothing worked for my guys except GastroPLUS... I hauled to NBHA World years ago when my guy had a flare up... Got some Gastro Guard to treat while I was there, hoping he would go back on his feed... needless to say he wouldn't eat the entire week, he would only nibble on alfalfa. Got home and found THE had GastroPLUS, never looked back and won't use anything else :) |
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Location: Wisconsin | Try Zesterra! Has worked wonders on our horses!! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | horsegirl - 2017-12-18 8:41 AM panamasgold - 2017-12-18 10:37 AM GastroPLUS by THE!!! Only thing I've found to actually work... everything else messes with the pH of their stomach and once you are done with dosing, 9/10 you have another flare up. I may look into that as a preventative after the course of treatment. She is off her feed, so I really need to do paste at this point.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Omeprazole |
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Location: Texas | I found a cost effective omeprezole on www.abler.com. Do yourself a favor though and pay for expedited shipping. |
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| Another vote for the GastroPLUS .. trust me .. IT WORKS.. I have a mare .. gets terrible ulcers.. goes of feed , paces .. quivers when you ride her if they are flared . I’ve used ulcer gard for 6 months now .. it helped .. but I could never give her any less than 3/4 tube a day .. if you tried to stop it or just give a half tube a day , symptoms care right back . Talk about breaking the bank .. a friend of mine gave me a bag of the GastroPLUS .. I add a little water to it & syringe it . She is very picky. I syringed it twice a day for 5 days like it said , then just once a day after . She’s been on it for 2 weeks now . I was very skeptical to try anything different , but I’m glad I did .. it’s worked even better than ulcer gard .. she’s eating great .. better than ever . I could even Up her feed to where I want her so she can actually gain weight .. & she’s eating all of it ! She can actually enjoy her feed now without her stomach hurting . She’s so quiet now .. absolutely no pacing .. less looky at everything .. it’s crazy.. I am completely amazed .. & it’s so much cheaper for me ! I am a firm believer! |
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| Precision Pharmacy get your vet to approve the script. |
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Location: Monticello, AR | I second the DAC cool gut.....made all the difference in the world and I had been thru everything. Gave 2 months of that and now have her on the outlast as a top dressing. |
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| Well, I have been a purchaser of Abler products including the ameprazole satchets and tubes. And this time around I had my mare scoped at the beginning and 30 days later after using Abler satchets. Her ulcers were a tiny bit worse! I had also been giving her the natural ulcer treatment, like flax, pumpkin seed powder, cabbage, yada yada. Basically none of that did anything for her ulcers per the scoping results. I'm trying some other stuff now including beet pulp,haystack/albers with a top dress of smartdigest ultra, starting gate, and u-guard pellets. She also came up positive for hind gut ulcers and at her worse times just a touch on her right side abdomen gets a reaction, so she is penned up getting no hay right now. Hopefully this will help her. She seems to be feeling better after a week of no stemmy hay. It's frustrating! Appreciate everyone's information and good luck with your horses. I'm definitely checking into some of the mentioned products!
(THERAPEUTIC MANAGEMENT OF RDC Treatment of right dorsal colitis is initially managed by the discontinuation of all NSAIDs. Dietary modification should include a low residue diet consisting of pelleted complete (e.g. Senior pellet) feed and pelleted hay. Addition of prostaglandin precursors such as linoleic acid, contained within Safflower oil (1 cup daily), and psyllium (2 ounces 1-2 times daily) which contains short chain fatty acids are also advocated for the medical management of RDC in horses.) (Treatment
The principle goals of treatment for RDC includes discontinuing or avoiding the use of NSAIDs (especially Bute and Banamine), decreasing gut fill and bulk in the diet (mechanical load on the colon) to allow the colon to rest, frequent feedings, reducing inflammation, coating and restoring the normal colon absorptive function and implementing methods to decrease stress.1 To reduce gut fill your veterinarian might recommend replacing the dry hay in the diet with an alfalfa-based complete pelleted feed like Equine Senior (Purina SeniorÔ, Purina Mills, St. Louis, MO). This reduces gut fill and decreases the mechanical load on the colon. The horse can be allowed to graze small amounts of fresh grass (10 to 15 minute intervals four to six times daily) to help decrease the stress of stall or dry paddock confinement and maintain body weight. The switch to a complete feed diet should be made over several days to a week to allow the gastrointestinal tract time to acclimatize to the feed change. This dietary change is only temporary and may last up to 3 to 4 months or at which time the blood work returns to normal. Your veterinarian may recommend weekly blood work once the horses diet is switched to the pellets.)
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Location: South Georgia | Fun2Run - 2017-12-18 7:35 PM I found a cost effective omeprezole on www.abler.com. Do yourself a favor though and pay for expedited shipping.
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