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Location: Somewhere around here | We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days! | |
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Location: South Georgia | How exactly does this work? I have heard bits and pieces about it, but I am still unclear. You send in hair and they can tell what issues may be wrong? Are these just "internal" issues, or would lameness stuff come up also? This may be a completely ridiculous question, and if it is, I apologize. LOL | |
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| Sounds like expensive pseudo science to me. Does this horse have heavy metal toxicity or something?
Hair testing is not a stand alone test and if you think your horse is having a mineral deficiency you would need a vet to do proper testing. | |
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Location: Texas! | SloRide - 2018-01-04 9:14 AM
Sounds like expensive pseudo science to me. Does this horse have heavy metal toxicity or something?
Hair testing is not a stand alone test and if you think your horse is having a mineral deficiency you would need a vet to do proper testing.
I have to agree with this. Why more people don't just utilize a chemistry panel and CBC from their vet to see if there are any abnormalities is beyond me. Not saying the OP hasn't ruled this out first I just see more and more people using these HHA and taking it as proven science for diagnoses. | |
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| SloRide - 2018-01-04 10:14 AM Sounds like expensive pseudo science to me. Does this horse have heavy metal toxicity or something? Hair testing is not a stand alone test and if you think your horse is having a mineral deficiency you would need a vet to do proper testing.
Testing as been done that shows HHA gave different results from hair pulled from different parts of the body-neck vs rear and from paints-white hairs vs dark hairs. Testing also found contaminates such as fly sprays effected the results. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | rodeomom3 - 2018-01-04 10:02 AM SloRide - 2018-01-04 10:14 AM Sounds like expensive pseudo science to me. Does this horse have heavy metal toxicity or something? Hair testing is not a stand alone test and if you think your horse is having a mineral deficiency you would need a vet to do proper testing. Testing as been done that shows HHA gave different results from hair pulled from different parts of the body-neck vs rear and from paints-white hairs vs dark hairs. Testing also found contaminates such as fly sprays effected the results.
do they test the root? I thought I read that hair shows toxins, but it changes as it grows. Kind of like the rings of a tree showing if it was a drought or damp year. So you would get different results depending on where you tested. I know some of the top trainers swear by it, but they are also sponsered by the company ...I just think it is a clever way to sell products. But if it truly helps, great! Science can be strange. | |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2018-01-04 12:16 PM
rodeomom3 - 2018-01-04 10:02 AM SloRide - 2018-01-04 10:14 AM Sounds like expensive pseudo science to me. Does this horse have heavy metal toxicity or something? Hair testing is not a stand alone test and if you think your horse is having a mineral deficiency you would need a vet to do proper testing. Â Testing as been done that shows HHA gave different results from hair pulled from different parts of the body-neck vs rear and from paints-white hairs vs dark hairs. Â Testing also found contaminates such as fly sprays effected the results.Â
That is correct. You are getting a degraded sample basically. Hair being dead and all. You can test hair for heavy metals but the level you detect is not going to as accurate compared to blood testing. And generally only done because there is no other alternative. But you could not reliably test hair for deficiency of anything.
And even blood testing for deficiency is not always straightforward either.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | What a racket. That’s about all I have to say about this garbage.
I have a better, cheaper way: ouija board.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 8:05 AM We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days!
Let me guess......They SELL you the supplements that they "say" that you need ...... What a scam !!!! | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Is Heather the one you buy the supplements from?  | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2018-01-04 4:00 PM
cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 8:05 AM We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days!
 Let me guess......They SELL you the supplements that they "say" that you need ...... What a scam !!!!
Nah....no way! They offer the supplements out of sheer love....for the good of the horse. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2018-01-04 3:43 PM What a racket. That’s about all I have to say about this garbage. I have a better, cheaper way: ouija board.
This made me giggle Bear.
On an unrelated note I've had "Quackery" work before on a horse but that's a different story for another time and post... If I'm not mistaken, these HHA People sell supplements along with the test results...? Correct me if I am wrong? I just cannot bring myself to accept they are not lying about the "problems" these horses have...  | |
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| cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 6:05 AM We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days!
Wow, I am disappointed in the comments you have received from others in this forum.
I commend you for taking this approach and realizing that nutrition plans a larger role than most believe. HHA is expensive but his supplements are high quality and no-nonsense. They are not full of the garbage, throw away, masking products like most supplement companies sell. I do not feed his supplements but I do refer to his website because is very informational and truly tries to educate people.
I do not think there is a person or a horse out there that would not benefit from detoxification or internal cleansing. For example, I always urge people to read up on the symptoms of decreased liver and kidney function in the horse and what the possible causes of them are - allergies, not wanting to turn to the right, low energy or unfocused energy, decreased appetite, poor hair/hoof quality, moody, anhidrosis, stocking up, tight muscles, colic, nervousness, sensitive to touch, cloudy eyes, mucus, thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, decreased immunity - the list of symptoms goes on and on. Many symptoms on that list coincide with a vast majority of the other "issues" us owners believe our horses are suffering from, they are all related and to think that any horse or human in our polluted world we live in is immune, is naive.
As I said, I commend you for taking this approach and not just bombarding your horse with this supplement or that supplement and this drug or that drug. Best of luck to you and I hope your horse thrives in his new program! | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | wishingforsun - 2018-01-04 5:17 PM cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 6:05 AM We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days! Wow, I am disappointed in the comments you have received from others in this forum.
I commend you for taking this approach and realizing that nutrition plans a larger role than most believe. HHA is expensive but his supplements are high quality and no-nonsense. They are not full of the garbage, throw away, masking products like most supplement companies sell. I do not feed his supplements but I do refer to his website because is very informational and truly tries to educate people.
I do not think there is a person or a horse out there that would not benefit from detoxification or internal cleansing. For example, I always urge people to read up on the symptoms of decreased liver and kidney function in the horse and what the possible causes of them are - allergies, not wanting to turn to the right, low energy or unfocused energy, decreased appetite, poor hair/hoof quality, moody, anhidrosis, stocking up, tight muscles, colic, nervousness, sensitive to touch, cloudy eyes, mucus, thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, decreased immunity - the list of symptoms goes on and on. Many symptoms on that list coincide with a vast majority of the other "issues" us owners believe our horses are suffering from, they are all related and to think that any horse or human in our polluted world we live in is immune, is naive.
As I said, I commend you for taking this approach and not just bombarding your horse with this supplement or that supplement and this drug or that drug. Best of luck to you and I hope your horse thrives in his new program!
Bear is a Dr, so I assume knows quite a bit about nutriton and what keeps you healthy. I am with the other person that suggested blood panel. It is more accurate. If the hair thing was as perfect as we could all hope it was, I would think it would be an option for all of us humans. I know a ton of people that just don't feel quite 100% and could benefit from this or that added or taken away from their diets.
What gets me more on the hmmmmm end of things is that they sell just exactly what they know your horse needs. How convenient and profitable all the way around for the company. The idea that a hair can dictate a current deficiency is just hard to believe.
I googled to see what vets thought.
Sarah Ralston, VMD, PhD, DACVN
A: There is no one-to-one correlation with the minerals in horse hair and their dietary intake. The late Ray Leroy, chemist and founder of the Magic Powder Company in Arizona, and I researched factors influencing minerals in horse hair in the 1980s and found that the relationships of minerals and dietary intake were extremely complex.
Harold Hintz, PhD, from Cornell University conducted a similar study around that time wherein he sent black and white hairs as two separate samples from the same paint horse to several hair-analysis laboratories. He was told the black horse needed several supplements to correct imbalances and the white horse needed a totally different array of supplements to correct a different set of problems. It might be fun to repeat that study; it is certainly easy enough to do.
Other studies of hair analysis have found similar ambiguous results, and positive results are mostly based on purely anecdotal evidence. | |
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| wishingforsun - 2018-01-04 6:17 PM cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 6:05 AM We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days! Wow, I am disappointed in the comments you have received from others in this forum.
I commend you for taking this approach and realizing that nutrition plans a larger role than most believe. HHA is expensive but his supplements are high quality and no-nonsense. They are not full of the garbage, throw away, masking products like most supplement companies sell. I do not feed his supplements but I do refer to his website because is very informational and truly tries to educate people.
I do not think there is a person or a horse out there that would not benefit from detoxification or internal cleansing. For example, I always urge people to read up on the symptoms of decreased liver and kidney function in the horse and what the possible causes of them are - allergies, not wanting to turn to the right, low energy or unfocused energy, decreased appetite, poor hair/hoof quality, moody, anhidrosis, stocking up, tight muscles, colic, nervousness, sensitive to touch, cloudy eyes, mucus, thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, decreased immunity - the list of symptoms goes on and on. Many symptoms on that list coincide with a vast majority of the other "issues" us owners believe our horses are suffering from, they are all related and to think that any horse or human in our polluted world we live in is immune, is naive.
As I said, I commend you for taking this approach and not just bombarding your horse with this supplement or that supplement and this drug or that drug. Best of luck to you and I hope your horse thrives in his new program!
I agree with all of this but prefer to use methods backed by testing that shows results. To my knowledge, toxins are the only things that can be identified through hair, I am not aware of any studies showing nutritional needs can be identified through hair samples. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | wishingforsun - 2018-01-04 6:17 PM
cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 6:05 AM We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days!
Wow, I am disappointed in the comments you have received from others in this forum.
I commend you for taking this approach and realizing that nutrition plans a larger role than most believe. HHA is expensive but his supplements are high quality and no-nonsense. They are not full of the garbage, throw away, masking products like most supplement companies sell. I do not feed his supplements but I do refer to his website because is very informational and truly tries to educate people.Â
I do not think there is a person or a horse out there that would not benefit from detoxification or internal cleansing. For example, I always urge people to read up on the symptoms of decreased liver and kidney function in the horse and what the possible causes of them are - allergies, not wanting to turn to the right, low energy or unfocused energy, decreased appetite, poor hair/hoof quality, moody, anhidrosis, stocking up, tight muscles, colic, nervousness, sensitive to touch, cloudy eyes, mucus, thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, decreased immunity - the list of symptoms goes on and on. Many symptoms on that list coincide with a vast majority of the other "issues" us owners believe our horses are suffering from, they are all related and to think that any horse or human in our polluted world we live in is immune, is naive.
As I said, I commend you for taking this approach and not just bombarding your horse with this supplement or that supplement and this drug or that drug. Best of luck to you and I hope your horse thrives in his new program!Â
Define “detoxification” for us, please.
What evil humors are you trying to detoxify?
Once you’ve done that, tell us how you link “detoxification” with HHA. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This reminds me of a scene from one of my favorite westerns, “Lonesome Dove”. I like the scene when Gus asks the cook, Po Campo, about his matrimonial prospects.
Po: “Come.....I will have you spit in de wagon”
(Gus walks over to the back of the wagon with Po and spits)
Po wipes of Gus’s spit: “No......you will never be married.”
There’s as much science in that scene as there is with HHA. | |
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| wishingforsun - 2018-01-04 6:17 PM
cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 6:05 AM We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days!
Wow, I am disappointed in the comments you have received from others in this forum.
I commend you for taking this approach and realizing that nutrition plans a larger role than most believe. HHA is expensive but his supplements are high quality and no-nonsense. They are not full of the garbage, throw away, masking products like most supplement companies sell. I do not feed his supplements but I do refer to his website because is very informational and truly tries to educate people.Â
I do not think there is a person or a horse out there that would not benefit from detoxification or internal cleansing. For example, I always urge people to read up on the symptoms of decreased liver and kidney function in the horse and what the possible causes of them are - allergies, not wanting to turn to the right, low energy or unfocused energy, decreased appetite, poor hair/hoof quality, moody, anhidrosis, stocking up, tight muscles, colic, nervousness, sensitive to touch, cloudy eyes, mucus, thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, decreased immunity - the list of symptoms goes on and on. Many symptoms on that list coincide with a vast majority of the other "issues" us owners believe our horses are suffering from, they are all related and to think that any horse or human in our polluted world we live in is immune, is naive.
As I said, I commend you for taking this approach and not just bombarding your horse with this supplement or that supplement and this drug or that drug. Best of luck to you and I hope your horse thrives in his new program!Â
You must be new to the forum. This is the standard response to anything that is different from the traditional western medicine view.
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Location: Somewhere around here | Well, I'm surprised to have as many replies to this as there are! For the nice people, thanks. For the opposing remarks, thanks but I don't care lol. At least I'm trying something different instead of just complaining about him not turning the first barrel.  Sure, this might not be 100% perfect for him but it's worth a shot and I'd rather try herbal supplements than injections if I can. | |
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| cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 8:05 PM Well, I'm surprised to have as many replies to this as there are! For the nice people, thanks. For the opposing remarks, thanks but I don't care lol. At least I'm trying something different instead of just complaining about him not turning the first barrel. Sure, this might not be 100% perfect for him but it's worth a shot and I'd rather try herbal supplements than injections if I can.
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