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| Does anyone know any Oats from an Ionophore free facility? There is no Blue bonnet or seimonle in my area =[ Pretty much the only option is Grainland Select, made by Purina. I have not been successful in finding out if this is made medication free? Does anyone know? Or of any other brands that would possibly be available in the PNW? Thank you very much! |
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| We always bought from a local feed mill. They didn’t handle any medicated feeds, we just asked them about it. |
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Location: Louisiana | I like the Purina "race horse oats" as my feed store calls them. They come in a red bag and are very clean. Hardly any dust at all, unlike others I've tried. |
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Location: Deep South | Purina horse products are made in separate facilities than any of their medicated cattle products. |
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Location: West Texas | Has there ever been a proven case of ionophore contamination in a bag of oats? I haven't ever heard of one, but I know that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
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Location: North Dakota | Anyone in your area sell Woody's?? If race horses are around, generally, so is Woody's |
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| I remember way back when, when our tsc use to carry bluebonnet whole grains... those were some of the cleanest nicest oats I've ever seen. I don't buy much from tsc anymore except Renew Gold because I know they get it in fresh, they generally only have 3-4 bags at a time available. Best bet would be to buy fresh from the field ,they can be a little dusty though. |
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Location: Willows, CA | want2chase3 - 2018-01-17 2:20 PM
I remember way back when, when our tsc use to carry bluebonnet whole grains... those were some of the cleanest nicest oats I've ever seen. I don't buy much from tsc anymore except Renew Gold because I know they get it in fresh, they generally only have 3-4 bags at a time available. Best bet would be to buy fresh from the field ,they can be a little dusty though.
When looking at Renew Gold freshness in TSC, we are still seeing a few bags in stores that have a mid 2016 date printed on the top white tape strip. This is the date that the bags were printed, not when the Renew Gold was made. The date code is on the bottom white strip and is four printed ink numbers followed by the letter "D". The first number is the year (now an 8 for 2018) the next three are the day of the year from 001 representing Jan 1, to 365 representing December 3. Hope this helps, lots of confusion caused by that top printed date. The latest bag printing run does not have this date printed at the top, but 60,000 empty bags did. What a pain that caused.
As to safe grain, some mills that make medicated feed flush the system after with oats. Those oats should go into a species safe feed for whatever medication was used in the last production run. Then, another non-medicated formulation for the same species should be made next to further clear the system. We all know that this does not always happen, or cross contamination would never occur and it does.
Even if it is straight oats that you are feeding, you still are best to follow the rule of buying only from suppliers that only use safe mills with no medications of any sort on the premises. As to Tdoves' question about ever seeing this happen, I have not seen this either, but as mentioned above, there are contaminated oats present in the mills where the above practice of cleaning is used.
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Location: West Texas | winwillows - 2018-01-17 3:12 PM
want2chase3 - 2018-01-17 2:20 PM
I remember way back when, when our tsc use to carry bluebonnet whole grains... those were some of the cleanest nicest oats I've ever seen. I don't buy much from tsc anymore except Renew Gold because I know they get it in fresh, they generally only have 3-4 bags at a time available. Best bet would be to buy fresh from the field ,they can be a little dusty though.
When looking at Renew Gold freshness in TSC, we are still seeing a few bags in stores that have a mid 2016 date printed on the top white tape strip. This is the date that the bags were printed, not when the Renew Gold was made. The date code is on the bottom white strip and is four printed ink numbers followed by the letter "D". The first number is the year (now an 8 for 2018 ) the next three are the day of the year from 001 representing Jan 1, to 365 representing December 3. Hope this helps, lots of confusion caused by that top printed date. The latest bag printing run does not have this date printed at the top, but 60,000 empty bags did. What a pain that caused.
As to safe grain, some mills that make medicated feed flush the system after with oats. Those oats should go into a species safe feed for whatever medication was used in the last production run. Then, another non-medicated formulation for the same species should be made next to further clear the system. We all know that this does not always happen, or cross contamination would never occur and it does.
Even if it is straight oats that you are feeding, you still are best to follow the rule of buying only from suppliers that only use safe mills with no medications of any sort on the premises. As to Tdoves' question about ever seeing this happen, I have not seen this either, but as mentioned above, there are contaminated oats present in the mills where the above practice of cleaning is used.
My question would be, wouldn't those oats used to flush out the system go through the pelleter and not come out as whole oats? Seems if you flush out a pellet mill with oats, you don't get whole oats bagged up to sell to customers, you would get pelleted crushed oats not bagged and sold as oats?
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Location: Willows, CA | Tdove - 2018-01-17 3:35 PM
winwillows - 2018-01-17 3:12 PM
want2chase3 - 2018-01-17 2:20 PM
I remember way back when, when our tsc use to carry bluebonnet whole grains... those were some of the cleanest nicest oats I've ever seen. I don't buy much from tsc anymore except Renew Gold because I know they get it in fresh, they generally only have 3-4 bags at a time available. Best bet would be to buy fresh from the field ,they can be a little dusty though.
When looking at Renew Gold freshness in TSC, we are still seeing a few bags in stores that have a mid 2016 date printed on the top white tape strip. This is the date that the bags were printed, not when the Renew Gold was made. The date code is on the bottom white strip and is four printed ink numbers followed by the letter "D". The first number is the year (now an 8 for 2018 ) the next three are the day of the year from 001 representing Jan 1, to 365 representing December 3. Hope this helps, lots of confusion caused by that top printed date. The latest bag printing run does not have this date printed at the top, but 60,000 empty bags did. What a pain that caused.
As to safe grain, some mills that make medicated feed flush the system after with oats. Those oats should go into a species safe feed for whatever medication was used in the last production run. Then, another non-medicated formulation for the same species should be made next to further clear the system. We all know that this does not always happen, or cross contamination would never occur and it does.
Even if it is straight oats that you are feeding, you still are best to follow the rule of buying only from suppliers that only use safe mills with no medications of any sort on the premises. As to Tdoves' question about ever seeing this happen, I have not seen this either, but as mentioned above, there are contaminated oats present in the mills where the above practice of cleaning is used.
My question would be, wouldn't those oats used to flush out the system go through the pelleter and not come out as whole oats? Seems if you flush out a pellet mill with oats, you don't get whole oats bagged up to sell to customers, you would get pelleted crushed oats not bagged and sold as oats?
That is a good question Trey. I am not sure if the oats are run through separate systems, or run just as a production was run. I do know that they are sometimes used to flush packaging lines beyond other processing. If a medicated feed was not pelleted, but rather texturized or simply blended the oats would not be processed in any way and still be whole oats. My understanding is that those oats are supposed to be run into the start of the next medicated run, and should not be bagged at all. I simply don't have experience with this, since I have never allowed anything that I make to be processed in a mill that makes medicated feed. In general, I have not worried about straight oats in the past. However, once the question was asked, it did remind me that there are in fact contaminated oats present in mills that use them to flush after medicated feed production. |
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Location: West Texas | Thank you for your thoughts on that, Win. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I thought I had read that the preferred grain to "flush" the systems was corn because it was heavier that oats. Be that as it may this is exactly my concern with finding proper oats. |
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| This has been my concern also, that oats are used to "flush" the systems. And of course, the only medication free brands that I know of, are nowhere near my area =/ Maybe oats just aren't an option for me... I have bought grainland select before, since I trust Purina. BUT I have not had any luck getting ahold of someone that can give me a definite answer as to whether they are made in the horse "med free" mills or not =/ |
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Location: Louisiana | My husband mentioned to a new feed store owner, and VET, in town about me not feeding Nutrena (that's what they carry).
Hubby does get his cattle and hog feed from him and he asked why he doesn't buy his horse feed.
Well ANYWAY, do y'all know what his response to that was?!
Since Nutrena had some horses get sick, now they're more likely to be extra careful when processing their feeds. That was good enough reason for him, and how he tried to convince me to buy from him - a VETERINARIAN. WHAT?!? |
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| WOW...that is unbelievable!! Very peculiar thinking from a vet. I am with you there! I absolutely will NEVER feed Nutrena (horse) products ever again. After how many times they have had horses poisoned, and how they handled those situations extremely poorly. I also had a horse die last year just 2 days after I bought my first ever bag of Nutrena...horse was 4 years old, and completely healthy. I never did get an autopsy, so I cannot confirm this was the cause. But due to circumstances that others had with fatalities from Nutrena around the same time, that sealed the deal for me. Never again will I buy Nutrena. |
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Location: Texas | Does anyone know if Wendland'sThur-O-Bred oats by Jupe Feeds in Temple TX are Ionophore free? The oats that I got at TRS (don't remember what brand) were so dusty. Our local feed store carries this brand and they are much cleaner. |
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| RocketPilot - 2018-01-18 4:46 PM
Does anyone know if Wendland'sThur-O-Bred oats by Jupe Feeds in Temple TX are Ionophore free? The oats that I got at TRS (don't remember what brand) were so dusty. Our local feed store carries this brand and they are much cleaner.
I doubt they are ionophore free.. I'd be surprised because they do produce medicated feed as well. I don't live far from Temple. I've seen the mill. If you live near there, there is a feed store in Temple called Goodwin, they deal blue bonnet feeds and I bet they'd special order you in BB oats. I get my feed and alfalfa from them |
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Location: Texas | want2chase3 - 2018-01-18 5:28 PM RocketPilot - 2018-01-18 4:46 PM Does anyone know if Wendland'sThur-O-Bred oats by Jupe Feeds in Temple TX are Ionophore free? The oats that I got at TRS (don't remember what brand) were so dusty. Our local feed store carries this brand and they are much cleaner. I doubt they are ionophore free.. I'd be surprised because they do produce medicated feed as well. I don't live far from Temple. I've seen the mill. If you live near there, there is a feed store in Temple called Goodwin, they deal blue bonnet feeds and I bet they'd special order you in BB oats. I get my feed and alfalfa from them
We are in East Texas. The local guy and TRS are really the only options. Local guy has another brand of oats (Boyce I think) but it has lots of corn in it. It has been a year since I bought from TRS so I might have to see what they currently have. |
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