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Location: Somewhere around here | After a mention in another thread about the price difference in stalls between a horse in a roping jackpot and a barrel jackpot, it got me thinking. Why do producers ask us to pay so much for entry fees and stalls? I know the price depends on associations and where it's located but why do barrel racers have to pay so much more than ropers? Not trying to ruffle any feathers of producers here, but I'm genuinely curious. |
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| you should see the English world. there is a schooling show organization (unrated, the equivalent of a playday club) that charges $80 in fees before you ever sign up for a class or rent a stall. Stall fee of $50 a dry day isn't unheard of. It's absolutely ridiculous and has people wringing their hands and saying they don't understand why people don't go to schooling shows anymore. |
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Location: WI | Usually the facility dictates the pricing. Yes, ropers may have it cheap compared to barrel racers, but we have it cheap compared to reiners and AQHA exhibitors. I guess its just simple economics, they get what we will pay.
Example: I pay $71 for a stall and $55 for electrical at a 3 day show at Arena A. Reiners pay $139 for the stall and $30/night for electrical at a 2 day show, same arena. The barn opens up on Thursday for them, but still...
Now the barrel racers sell out the barns and reiners don't even fill 1/2 the barn, so I think they still make more money on us. |
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| Yep, they know what people will pay. Just as a comparison, my vet clinic had an AWESOME lameness/performance horse vet that was one of the best in CA. When she had her second child she had to quit the vet clinic because she wasn't making enough doing performance horse vet work to support her family. She took a job in a neighboring town in a small animal clinic ( THis town is known for its multi million dollar homes/estates, etc.). She now spays and Neuters dogs and cats for upwards of 1200.00 per surgery and does surgeries ALL DAY two days a week. She told me she couldnt live on vaccinations, hock injections at 150.00 per hock etc... Its crazy what some arenas charge.. Like 1500-2000 a DAY just to rent the arena. Dumb. |
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| You really think entries for barrel racing are high?
Try floating a team roper for the weekend and get back to me. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Oh gosh, there are so many factors. Facilities, associations, rent, insurance, sanctioning fees, added money, helpers, etc. I don't even think you can compare becasue Ropers have their share of fees as well. |
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Location: Louisiana | I totally here you.
But I have a theory...the team roping we went to for a weekend, yes my husband paid like 1/2 what I paid for stalls and hookup at the same facility as a weekend barrel race.
BUT, the barrel race filled up the hookups and stall...the ropers mostly had hotel rooms or generators...and many hauled in&out...there weren't near as many used stalls.
Maybe we're charge more for the cleanup etc that goes along with more horses?
A roping with 200 teams entered might only 80 horses (that's conservative - only 2-3 entries per horse)
A barrel race with 200 entries is going to have 200 horses, more than double the poop LOL |
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Location: East Texas | They charge what the traffic will bear, and they want to make as much as possible. I can't blame them for that, but I am looking at signing up for an upcoming race and stalls are $90/stall whether you are there for 5 days or in my case....12hrs. Guess my horses will stay in the trailer and run the generator. I can't justify spending over $200 for stall and RV hookup for 12hrs.
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| And the big Vegas super show NBHA, you HAVE to get a hotel room and YOU HAVE to get a stall. You can't haul in/out daily and stay off site. THats why I never go. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | CrossDRanch - 2018-01-23 9:29 AM
They charge what the traffic will bear, and they want to make as much as possible. I can't blame them for that, but I am looking at signing up for an upcoming race and stalls are $90/stall whether you are there for 5 days or in my case....12hrs. Guess my horses will stay in the trailer and run the generator. I can't justify spending over $200 for stall and RV hookup for 12hrs.
$90 a stall? I guess I’ll quit complaining about the $25 stalls. Do those come with gold shavings and silver plated, auto waterers? |
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Location: Jersey Girl | I normally pay $55-$65 for a stall for a weekend (2 nights) and about the same for hook-ups.
Also hock injections in my area range from $350-$700 depending on who you use. |
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Location: The edge of no where | classicpotatochip - 2018-01-23 10:49 AM You really think entries for barrel racing are high? Try floating a team roper for the weekend and get back to me.
Hahahaha! I can go you one better..... at least team ropings pay good when you win.
Try paying a steer ropers fees for a while (when he's not placing). There's not enough of them to make it pay worth a flip for what entries cost.......and they drive 23432343243 miles to get to them because of course the rodeos are really spread out. |
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Location: East Texas | ~BINGO~ - 2018-01-23 11:48 AM
CrossDRanch - 2018-01-23 9:29 AM
They charge what the traffic will bear, and they want to make as much as possible. I can't blame them for that, but I am looking at signing up for an upcoming race and stalls are $90/stall whether you are there for 5 days or in my case....12hrs. Guess my horses will stay in the trailer and run the generator. I can't justify spending over $200 for stall and RV hookup for 12hrs.
$90 a stall? I guess I’ll quit complaining about the $25 stalls. Do those come with gold shavings and silver plated, auto waterers?
lol....They must because you can not bring in your own shaving and have to buy theirs at $9/bag. Guess they are proud of their stuff in Guthrie |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | MS2011 - 2018-01-23 12:52 PM classicpotatochip - 2018-01-23 10:49 AM You really think entries for barrel racing are high? Try floating a team roper for the weekend and get back to me. Hahahaha! I can go you one better..... at least team ropings pay good when you win.
Try paying a steer ropers fees for a while (when he's not placing). There's not enough of them to make it pay worth a flip for what entries cost.......and they drive 23432343243 miles to get to them because of course the rodeos are really spread out.
Well, my husband cuts. Trying paying $700 for one round, stall not included.
Plus cattle costs, plus office fees.
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| No complaints here ! It wasn't usual to pay $180 for a Dressage weekend show! And keep in mind you never got any money back if you win, just a pretty ribbon :-) |
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| I have always considered barrel racing to be on the cheaper end compared to roping, cutting and no comparison to English. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2018-01-23 1:42 PM
I have always considered barrel racing to be on the cheaper end compared to roping, cutting and no comparison to English.
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Location: Somewhere around here | You guys have a point with the English world! I went to two schooling shows with a mare I owned with my mom in highschool and if I couldn't win, place, or show then I couldn't keep doing it because the prices were more than what he expected. |
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Location: East Texas | None of it is cheap, and the entry fees are what they are and generally the higher the EF the higher the payout. Heck, the slot race at this event is $5K. I just hate getting gouged on stalls, rv, office fees, etc.
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Location: Arizona | FLITASTIC - 2018-01-23 10:43 AM
And the big Vegas super show NBHA, you HAVE to get a hotel room and YOU HAVE to get a stall. You can't haul in/out daily and stay off site. THats why I never go.
The stall price is usually $90 but it's for the whole week you are there, not $90 a day..... |
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