|
|
 Scooters Savior
   
Location: "Si Fi" Ville | A friend has been blessed training a super horse but needs advice on generally accepted principles to prequalify a buyer via preapproval directly from a financial institution and stipulations on trying the horse.
All advice will be appreciated! |
|
| |
|
| I can't really offer any advice however on the Racer's Edge show with Jolene Montgomery she does talk a bit about letting people try these types of horses and she basically says that she limits runs on these caliber of horses and only in her home arena. Also that if you are buying that type of horse you are going to know pretty quickly what you are looking at and if that horse will suit you. I never really looked at it like that but it makes a lot of sense. |
|
| |
|
Scooters Savior
Location: "Si Fi" Ville | Awesome! Thank you!! |
|
| |
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 823
Location: East Texas | My neighbor sold one of this caliber this week and they called, wired the money, and picked up the horse all in one day. They may have ridden at his arena, but I don't think so.
Edited by CrossDRanch 2018-01-25 1:41 PM
|
|
| |
|
Scooters Savior
Location: "Si Fi" Ville | Turnthree, thank you so much the video was very informative. |
|
| |
|
 Too Skinny
Posts: 8009
 
Location: LA Lower Alabama | With videos and records MOST of the time there is no need for them to test run. Maybe ride around but there is no real reason they would need to make a run with verifiable proof. This cuts 99.9% of the tire kickers. Good horses sell by word of mouth over test rides any day. Tell your friend to protect herself and the horse no matter what she decides. |
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 276
| For sure agree with the above mentioned. It seems like the more people want this, want that, from you, etc... the more likely they are just wasting your time. Be picky. Being a high caliber, nice horse like you say, the right buyers will come along. And also to add, I've seen a lot of trying, trying, tyring.... we love him/her, vet check... sale falls through. So ask in advance if they want a vet check and make them do that before they waste the runs on the horse!!!! |
|
| |
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 678
Location: Canada | Its pretty easy to find placings for individuals. If someone is looking to buy a 1D Pro level horse you know it's probably not going to be a fit for someone who has only ever run at the bottom of the 4D at small events. So search the persons name online and or ask them where they typically run, the size of jackpots (20 competitors vs 400 competitors) and where they place then go searching for them. Anyone making the drive is probably a more serious competitor its the local people I've found that often want to come try a horse but have no intention of buying.
I think a buyer would need to try them out to make sure they fit the horse and vice versa. A couple of runs at home should be enough for a buyer to know if they'll click. As long as the videos posted at events start before the horse get's in the arena (ie shows the horse walking up or running up without hesitation or refusal) I don't think you'd need to haul it anywhere.
|
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 418
| i disagree with not needing to try it, unless its from a broker with a spotless rep or someone known and trusted. some people are not willing to put with behavioral issues that are not apparent from competition runs. Once you buy a horse you normally can't return because it pulls back, is an idiot to haul by self, weaves, kicks, bites, won't load, lays down when you pull the cinch. all of these can be found by a simple viewing of the horse in the home environment, catching and saddling yourself, in and out of trailer at home, leading away from its buddies and tying to trailer or empty part of barn. I know this because i have run into all of the above! Not all on super nice horses of course, but true 1D's are true 1D's because they are bit of a freak of nature which sometimes comes with questionable behaviors some people can't tolerate while others it doesn't bother at all. depends on the buyer. As a seller, you have the luxury to set your parameters, if you don't get hits, it may be they are too strict, if you do and make a sell then you have protected your horse from tire kickers and those who truly shouldn't have that high caliber horse. |
|
| |
|
 Expert
Posts: 2097
Location: Deep South | turnthree - 2018-01-25 1:31 PM
I can't really offer any advice however on the Racer's Edge show with Jolene Montgomery she does talk a bit about letting people try these types of horses and she basically says that she limits runs on these caliber of horses and only in her home arena. Also that if you are buying that type of horse you are going to know pretty quickly what you are looking at and if that horse will suit you. I never really looked at it like that but it makes a lot of sense.
Yeah... She can set those stipulations because she's Jolene Montgomery.
A lot of the big name trainers/brokers won't allow test runs or put some kind of limits on their high dollar horses for sale. They have built a solid reputation for selling horses and can do that. The average Joe can't, in my opinion.
ETA: Requiring proof of finances is pretty common though.
Edited by BamaCanChaser 2018-01-25 3:28 PM
|
|
| |
|
 Shelter Dog Lover
Posts: 10277
| cowgalsissy - 2018-01-25 2:19 PM With videos and records MOST of the time there is no need for them to test run. Maybe ride around but there is no real reason they would need to make a run with verifiable proof. This cuts 99.9% of the tire kickers. Good horses sell by word of mouth over test rides any day. Tell your friend to protect herself and the horse no matter what she decides. Ditto, I have a friend who bought a horse of this caliber, he put her in the top 6, qualified her for Calgary-the real deal. When he became available she wired the money and went and picked him up, did not test ride but I do understand someone wanting to make a run on one at home. He was not advertised. Tell her if she is unsure of a riders abilities do not be afraid to test drive them too. We looked at a high shcool rodeo horse for my daughter and before the seller took her to the arena she asked her to sidepass, counter arc and a couple of other things, said she sent several home who could not pass her test, she did not want them on her horse. Hopefully with a horse of that calibur and in that price range his reputation will weed out the tire kickers although I think some like to call about horses just for entertainment.
Edited by rodeomom3 2018-01-25 6:38 PM
|
|
| |
|
Meanest Teacher!!!
Posts: 8552
Location: sunny california | I understand wanting to limit those runs, but sometimes you just gotta try one; especially if you are stepping up. Until a few years ago I could prolly stay with many 1 D horses. Now not so much! I know that there are some i could have ridden just a little while back, but not all of them.Yes I am still talking a true 1D horse. I am hoping that i can get my health back and stay with one again and would like to buy something that i could ride and get along with and get back into the swing of things, so i would have to try one to know if they would have the patience for me. I think there are probably more buyers out there just like me. they are getting back to what they love and don't want to have to sell in a year in order to up their game.
riding one in someones home arena would not cut it. sometimes you gotta know if they are gonna be a turd at the gate or just be so buisness that they just take over during the race and leave you behind instead of taking care of you. Sometimes it takes a race to see how their brain really works |
|
| |
|
 Extreme Veteran
Posts: 456
Location: SW MO | turnthree - 2018-01-25 1:31 PM
I can't really offer any advice however on the Racer's Edge show with Jolene Montgomery she does talk a bit about letting people try these types of horses and she basically says that she limits runs on these caliber of horses and only in her home arena. Also that if you are buying that type of horse you are going to know pretty quickly what you are looking at and if that horse will suit you. I never really looked at it like that but it makes a lot of sense.
I saw a video where another pro girl was being interviewed who said that she worked the horse at the owner's arena but did not enter- most of the time your first run or two on a horse (especially that caliber) aren't perfect and don't do the horse justice. I think it is much more common to not make entered runs on a horse. I do see both sides, you have to make sure a horse fits you, but you can do that at the owner's discretion. If you're really concerned with bad habits, just go to a race where the owner is hauling the horse to see what the horse is like (naughty at the trailer, crazy in the gate, whatever). |
|
| |
|
 Born not Made
Posts: 2931
Location: North Dakota | I always dream about someday buying a finished 1D horse (rather than trying to make my own). I would NEVER buy one without being able to make a run on the horse. I would have no problem doing it "at home" and not at a jackpot so it doesn't affect the horse's show record, but I at least want to know what the horse feels like if I am dishing out that much cash. I would also consider traveling with the owner to a real race, so I can see how the horse behaves at the trailer, pre- and post- run. |
|
| |
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 602
| Would it be too unrealistic to ask for a riding fee? Like $200-500? Ive seen this in the past with a few girls trying to sell pro rodeo horses. If I was spending over $80k on a horse and that was a stipulation i wouldnt be offended. |
|
| |
|
  Friendly horse swapper
Posts: 4122
Location: Buffalo, TX | On that calibur of horse, after assuring herself they have the funds, I would allow them to accompany me for a weekend as an observer only, where I ran the horse and they watched my routine with him at home, at the trailer, warming up, in the alleyway, and making the runs. At that point, the buyer should either still want the horse or not, and maybe make a run in the seller's home arena and make a decision based on how the horse felt to them. |
|
| |
|
 Straight Shooter
Posts: 5725
Location: SW North Dakota | We just bought one in October. The horse was brokered through a friend, who connected us with the horse and vice versa (so I guess that was the prequalification step). We were able to ride the horse two nights in a row, and work the pattern slow. My daughter is 15, and rides good, but is sooooo fussy about the feel and style of her horses. She knows exactly what she wants. They let her enter him at a jackpot to see if their styles matched. They picked the pen (Running R in Meeker, OK). I'm very, very thankful they let us run him, as I don't know if we'd have purchased him without a trial run. They hauled the horse to the arena and their trainer assisted in getting him ready and gave my daughter the info she needed to pilot him. She ended up 2nd in the 1D (85 entries), which was super- unexpected, but awesome. I didn't really care how they placed, but wanted to make sure she was comfortable on him and liked his style. (He already had a resume that solidly told the story of what he was capable of doing) I paid for him before they could get the boots off him! HAHA.
I know that the luxury we had in riding him two days, then running him isn't "normal," but for us, it was the go/no go difference. I'm forever grateful for the trust the trainer put in us for this privledge!! |
|
| |
|
Straight Shooter
Posts: 5725
Location: SW North Dakota | spitzh - 2018-01-26 9:11 AM Would it be too unrealistic to ask for a riding fee? Like $200-500? Ive seen this in the past with a few girls trying to sell pro rodeo horses. If I was spending over $80k on a horse and that was a stipulation i wouldnt be offended.
I would have been happy to pay this, as a serious buyer. Much cheaper than buying a horse that "didn't fit." |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 4766
Location: Bandera, TX | kwanatha - 2018-01-25 6:36 PM I understand wanting to limit those runs, but sometimes you just gotta try one; especially if you are stepping up. Until a few years ago I could prolly stay with many 1 D horses. Now not so much! I know that there are some i could have ridden just a little while back, but not all of them.Yes I am still talking a true 1D horse. I am hoping that i can get my health back and stay with one again and would like to buy something that i could ride and get along with and get back into the swing of things, so i would have to try one to know if they would have the patience for me. I think there are probably more buyers out there just like me. they are getting back to what they love and don't want to have to sell in a year in order to up their game.
riding one in someones home arena would not cut it. sometimes you gotta know if they are gonna be a turd at the gate or just be so buisness that they just take over during the race and leave you behind instead of taking care of you. Sometimes it takes a race to see how their brain really works
Very well said! I have one for sale that is a total pain in the alley. He takes a strong hand and someone that can really not let a strong horse bluff him. Once in the arena he's pretty easy to ride on barrels-as long as you can ride his caliber. On poles another story as he power off on the lead change it's very hard to stay with. At home all day long he rides like a pretty respectful horse should, take to an arena you have a fire breathing dragon.
|
|
| |
Folks on-line