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| Is it just me or are there more people, young, elderly, middle aged seemingly healthy people dying from it more lately? It scares me to death with Jacob, I do everything I can to protect him and ourselves from it. Everyone is taking extra C and I'm wiping everything down daily with clorox wipes... kids backpacks from school get doused with lysol too. I have Jacob wear a mask if we need to go out in public as well and I keep hand sanitizer in all our vehicles and by my front door. I hate to feel so paranoid but it's really freaking me out! And no, I do not take the flu shot... never had never will and none of my kids have either. My mil has had the flu shot for the last 10 years of her life and she's bed ridden right now with the flu. ... |
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | From what I understand on the news, the vaccine this year was created in an incubator/different process instead of with egg shells. It mutated in the incubation process and it reduced the effectiveness of it. But they are still encouraging everyone to get it.
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Location: OH. IO | yes,it is definitely hitting hard !!!!you are a good momma for taking all of those precautions with Jake!!!it's freaks me out to,so don't feel bad! |
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| From what I have been reading, a lot of the "seemingly healthy people", like the "marathon running mother" that died from the flu, had other issues going on- she had an open wound on her hand from a car accident that became infected, she developed the flu and then subsequently became septic and died from bacterial pneumonia. I understand Jacob has his fair share of health issues, and I think you are doing a fantastic job in preventing any unwarranted germs from getting too close. Remember to have him drink a lot of water to stay hydrated, and continue to wash hands all the time. Gloves may be an option in public as well, just discard them before he takes off the mask and touches his face.
We will continue to keep him in our prayers here, and pray that the flu season is short this year! |
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| madredepeanut - 2018-01-31 7:26 PM
From what I have been reading, a lot of the "seemingly healthy people", like the "marathon running mother" that died from the flu, had other issues going on- she had an open wound on her hand from a car accident that became infected, she developed the flu and then subsequently became septic and died from bacterial pneumonia. I understand Jacob has his fair share of health issues, and I think you are doing a fantastic job in preventing any unwarranted germs from getting too close. Remember to have him drink a lot of water to stay hydrated, and continue to wash hands all the time. Gloves may be an option in public as well, just discard them before he takes off the mask and touches his face.
We will continue to keep him in our prayers here, and pray that the flu season is short this year!
This is what I'm referring to, did these people they are reporting dying have underlying issues? Thank you for sharing that information. The way they portray it on the news is just like this perfectly healthy person passed away from the flu.
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| want2chase3 - 2018-01-31 5:43 PM
madredepeanut - 2018-01-31 7:26 PM
From what I have been reading, a lot of the "seemingly healthy people", like the "marathon running mother" that died from the flu, had other issues going on- she had an open wound on her hand from a car accident that became infected, she developed the flu and then subsequently became septic and died from bacterial pneumonia. I understand Jacob has his fair share of health issues, and I think you are doing a fantastic job in preventing any unwarranted germs from getting too close. Remember to have him drink a lot of water to stay hydrated, and continue to wash hands all the time. Gloves may be an option in public as well, just discard them before he takes off the mask and touches his face.
We will continue to keep him in our prayers here, and pray that the flu season is short this year!
This is what I'm referring to, did this people they are reporting dying have underlying issues? Thank you for sharing that information. The way they portray it on the news is just like this perfectly healthy person passed away from the flu.
Exactly, so many of the headlines today are sensationalized! Fear is a dangerous tool, unfortunately. Lots of prayers are headed your way  keep up your diligent work! |
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Location: OH. IO | A young news reporter here in Ohio didn't feel good and died the next day from the flu.no other issues. |
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| Here is an excerpt from an NBC news article that talks about why healthy people die from the flu:
"Doctors who study the body’s immune response say there are three main reasons: co-infection with another germ, usually bacteria such as strep; aggravation of existing conditions such as heart disease and asthma; and a so-called cytokine storm, marked by an overwhelming immune system response to infection... When a virus is new, like the 1918 strain of H1N1 and the 2009 H1N1 “swine flu”, it usually kills far more people. One theory is that the immune system can become overwhelmed by the never-before-seen invader and sends so many troops to fight it that perfectly healthy tissue in the lungs and other organs gets killed, too. People who die from “bird flu” viruses, such as H5N1 or H7N9, also seem to die via an over-the-top immune response... While a few people seem to die within hours or days, flu can cause lingering sickness in others. Then they become susceptible to other infections, such as streptococcal or staphylococcal bacterial infections. These secondary infections can damage organs, cause pneumonia or get into the bloodstream, causing another kind of immune system overreaction called sepsis."
The article itself was a bit long, but you can read the full story here:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/here-s-how-flu-virus-kill...
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Location: NW | The news blows things up.... the NEWS controls the masses into believing anything the news wants the people to belive, and big Pharma controls the news in many aspects.... :)
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Location: KS | I feel the same way, a mom to 2 under 2. We stay home a lot. |
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| I am a little paranoid also, I have read that Kansas is the worst state as far as the number affected with the flu.
I think a BIG key is enough rest. I always try to get at least 8.0 hrs of sleep - even if that means going to bed at 7:30! I take Emergen-C daily and I also take a dose of apple cider vinegar - I have read that it's harder for the virus to live in an acidic environment. I also don't get the flu shot - it never helped me in the past when I did get it and usually I was sicker the years I got it. I'm sure there must be some benefits since they preach about getting it but it never worked for me. I also wash my hands a LOT - especially at work since those around me are dropping like FLIES with the flu.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | 4 Alarm Ranch - 2018-01-31 9:53 PM The news blows things up.... the NEWS controls the masses into believing anything the news wants the people to belive, and big Pharma controls the news in many aspects.... :)
who is the "news"?
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Griz - 2018-02-01 6:47 AM I am a little paranoid also, I have read that Kansas is the worst state as far as the number affected with the flu. I think a BIG key is enough rest. I always try to get at least 8.0 hrs of sleep - even if that means going to bed at 7:30! I take Emergen-C daily and I also take a dose of apple cider vinegar - I have read that it's harder for the virus to live in an acidic environment. I also don't get the flu shot - it never helped me in the past when I did get it and usually I was sicker the years I got it. I'm sure there must be some benefits since they preach about getting it but it never worked for me. I also wash my hands a LOT - especially at work since those around me are dropping like FLIES with the flu.
it's physyilogically impossible to change your blood/body PH expecially by drinking vinager |
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| Griz - 2018-02-01 5:47 AM
I am a little paranoid also, I have read that Kansas is the worst state as far as the number affected with the flu.
I think a BIG key is enough rest. I always try to get at least 8.0 hrs of sleep - even if that means going to bed at 7:30! I take Emergen-C daily and I also take a dose of apple cider vinegar - I have read that it's harder for the virus to live in an acidic environment. I also don't get the flu shot - it never helped me in the past when I did get it and usually I was sicker the years I got it. I'm sure there must be some benefits since they preach about getting it but it never worked for me. I also wash my hands a LOT - especially at work since those around me are dropping like FLIES with the flu.
We drink the emergen-c daily too and the kids get the gummies. Hand washing is a must too. I keep acv on hand as well, I'm not as diligent about drinking it though, because it's just nasty! But I do try to drink some mixed with lemon juice for the other health benefits. I wish people that even think they may be coming down with it would stay home! I know it's tough and people need to get to work and school. My husband caught it not too long ago... but by being very diligent and me keeping him locked down in our room, the rest of my household escaped it! |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | One reason as my drs. have told me, is in the young, they haven't been exposed to as many variations of it as an older person. We have some antibodies that are from those other strains. The other for anyone else is the "flu" hasn't killed people, generally a secondary infection (staph) which the flu opened a door for as the body fought off the flu bug. Many of the deaths are actually pneumonia and pneumonia sneaks up on a person. Some of the secondary infections damage other organs, or can get into the blood stream causing sepsis.
I went in to my Dr. this week as I have asthma and have had a cold and fatigue for almost 2 weeks. A common cold lingers with me and I have to get steroids and AB's if I'm 7-10 days in or I'm battling my lungs for a month. I asked him about the flu numbers in our little town and he said of every flu screen he's done and he's screened everyone who has come in sick, only 2 had it and enough so he sent them on their own to the hospital. Everyone else in town and there are MANY who are sick, it's simply a bad winter cold.
Hang with me, the last of my info I've gleaned this week: we have a friend whose 16 yr. old daughter was having what they thought were bad allergies that weren't responding to meds. A few days after that diagnosis she went back to her dr. saying she felt like it was a little hard to breathe. So they took her into the hospital for xrays, he thought she may have had a touch of pneumonia from the excess mucus in the lungs, etc. Well...a few short hours later they discovered she has Primary Mediastinal B Cell Lymphoma and was taken the next day to MD Anderson in Houston for immediate treatment. She has tumors all within her chest wall, and they have also mestatisized to her sternum, ribs and spine. 
Once her treatments took hold, the plan was to get a treatment, come home stay a couple weeks, then go back for a week to MD Anderson, repeat for the course. There is another teenage girl on her floor who she has become friends with. That girl was at that point in her treatment where she could go home, went home, and caught the flu. They had to rush her back to MD Anderson and she is now in full isolation, can't even have family in while she's sick with it, because of their possibly bringing in more germs. Ann's parents had planned to alternate each one back and forth into their work lives back here (10 hours away) but now they can't. They don't want to risk bringing back an infection and they don't want to risk her having to go through this isolated for any stretch of it.
I'm sure your Dr. has his opinions on all that, this is just what their team at MD Anderson have said to them.
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2018-02-01 8:00 AM
One reason as my drs. have told me, is in the young, they haven't been exposed to as many variations of it as an older person. We have some antibodies that are from those other strains. The other for anyone else is the "flu" hasn't killed people, generally a secondary infection (staph) which the flu opened a door for as the body fought off the flu bug. Many of the deaths are actually pneumonia and pneumonia sneaks up on a person. Some of the secondary infections damage other organs, or can get into the blood stream causing sepsis.
I went in to my Dr. this week as I have asthma and have had a cold and fatigue for almost 2 weeks. A common cold lingers with me and I have to get steroids and AB's if I'm 7-10 days in or I'm battling my lungs for a month. I asked him about the flu numbers in our little town and he said of every flu screen he's done and he's screened everyone who has come in sick, only 2 had it and enough so he sent them on their own to the hospital. Everyone else in town and there are MANY who are sick, it's simply a bad winter cold.
Hang with me, the last of my info I've gleaned this week: we have a friend whose 16 yr. old daughter was having what they thought were bad allergies that weren't responding to meds. A few days after that diagnosis she went back to her dr. saying she felt like it was a little hard to breathe. So they took her into the hospital for xrays, he thought she may have had a touch of pneumonia from the excess mucus in the lungs, etc. Well...a few short hours later they discovered she has Primary Mediastinal B Cell Lymphoma and was taken the next day to MD Anderson in Houston for immediate treatment. She has tumors all within her chest wall, and they have also mestatisized to her sternum, ribs and spine. Once her treatments took hold, the plan was to get a treatment, come home stay a couple weeks, then go back for a week to MD Anderson, repeat for the course. There is another teenage girl on her floor who she has become friends with. That girl was at that point in her treatment where she could go home, went home, and caught the flu. They had to rush her back to MD Anderson and she is now in full isolation, can't even have family in while she's sick with it, because of their possibly bringing in more germs. Ann's parents had planned to alternate each one back and forth into their work lives back here (10 hours away) but now they can't. They don't want to risk bringing back an infection and they don't want to risk her having to go through this isolated for any stretch of it.
I'm sure your Dr. has his opinions on all that, this is just what their team at MD Anderson have said to them.
Very interesting. I'm sorry to hear about your friends daughter, that must be terrifying. I was thinking about this on my way to drop my kids off at school, what's saying?? The best offense is a good defense, or the best defense is a good offense... either way ... the only thing I can do is keep things clean and avoid small enclosed areas where other people are breathing! |
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Location: TEXAS | Yes this is one of the worst flu seasons in a decade as far as deaths go. My 8 yr old got the flu but since he had the shot he only felt bad for one day. The dr said people who get the shot have only mild symptoms of the flu. With that being said I don't want to take a chance bc he's very suseptible to strep and the flu so I started both of my boys on Little Warriors immune supplement. It's all natural from plants and gets rave reviews from parents!!
ETA they also chew an airborne each day
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| 1DSoon - 2018-02-01 6:31 AM
Griz - 2018-02-01 6:47 AM I am a little paranoid also, I have read that Kansas is the worst state as far as the number affected with the flu. I think a BIG key is enough rest. I always try to get at least 8.0 hrs of sleep - even if that means going to bed at 7:30! I take Emergen-C daily and I also take a dose of apple cider vinegar - I have read that it's harder for the virus to live in an acidic environment. I also don't get the flu shot - it never helped me in the past when I did get it and usually I was sicker the years I got it. I'm sure there must be some benefits since they preach about getting it but it never worked for me. I also wash my hands a LOT - especially at work since those around me are dropping like FLIES with the flu.
it's physyilogically impossible to change your blood/body PH expecially by drinking vinager
Must be the "placebo effect" that's working for me. But seems to be working - KNOCK ON WOOD! |
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| WOW - just saw this in our local paper:
"There have been 48 flu-related deaths this flu season in Kansas."
Something else I have taken is Elderberry extract and Boiron Oscillococcinum when I felt something coming on. I've read both good and bad about the Boiron but it seems to keep sickness away for me. You can't find it here anymore in stores so I ordered some off Amazon several weeks ago and I still haven't gotten it, so others must believe in it also. |
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| Parents try and be so sterile with small children. If you don't want your kids to get sick, let them play in the dirt, be exposed to bacteria and viruses etc. My mom went down the Road from one rodeo to the next when I was a kid, 6x to the NFR. Know how many public bathrooms at fairgrounds I was in? How many times I played under the bleachers at rodeos??? LOL I never so much as get a cold, ever. lol Knock on Wood. I do take the flu shot though. |
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