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| I want to start a thread of nice, proven stallions that aren't your everyday barrel bloodlines. We are killing the gene pool, and its becoming a puddle. I made this point to someone the other day, and they ask me for a stallion recommendation, and I could only think of 1. Dashing Chester.... and their response was that they wanted to spend the $ to have an own daughter/ son of something and that really took me back because a nice stallion bred DIFFERENTLY than what's big right now ISN'T going to cost $4,500 to breed to because he isn't popular. No matter if he's worth his weight or not. Just kind of took me back. Now spending the most $ gives you the most quality horse, and GOD FORBID it's not COLORED.
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Location: Wyoming | Roller and a Shaker http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/roller+and+a+shaker
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| Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about.
Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there.
Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done? |
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Location: SP, Brazil | El Shady Zorrero. Brazil's number one producing stallion even in front of DTF, Tres Seis, Designer Red, FG and others. Produced over 4 million.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 9:21 AM Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about. Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there. Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done?
all of this
I was trying to figure out how DC was not in the "puddle" and I was drawing a blank
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | not exactly sure what your getting at. but maybe not completely out of the puddle i would look at a jet of honor stud or sugar rancher. my favorites would be rene dan jet and lightning sugar bull for producers in poles and barrels. |
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Location: OH | luluwhit - 2018-02-02 9:50 AM not exactly sure what your getting at. but maybe not completely out of the puddle i would look at a jet of honor stud or sugar rancher. my favorites would be rene dan jet and lightning sugar bull for producers in poles and barrels.
Back in this area---seems like everyone that runs poles are riding Redneck Jets, he is a son of Rene Dan Jet. |
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| Nik Dell (I think he died but they have froozen?) contact Duke racing or Stephanie Duke http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/nik+dell
Streakin Again http://www.llphorsefarms.com/Streakin.html
Be A Magnolia Runner http://www.futurefortunesinc.com/stallions/view/236
Docs Gettin Reckless http://www.futurefortunesinc.com/stallions/view/293
Dinkys Redman hes not alive but find a son or contact Amy Belk http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dinkys+red+man
Unpopular yet proven choices that are affordable and not your average lines.
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| classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 8:21 AM
Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about.
Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there.
Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done?
So are you saying we shouldn’t try to go outside the norm? I think that’s just going to make our “puddle” smaller. In 20 Years there won’t be ANY variation left.
I’m not saying go for something no one recognizes, but we have like 5 top sires that are eating up the industry. And on the progeny talk, too many sires are being bred to produce colts that will prove them that are themselves 3D horses. That’s dumb IMO. Why is it a bad thing to expect a stallion to be able to perform AND produce. And again, IMO just like in the racing world- I feel like they should perform and to see if they are good enough TO produce. Everyone with a yellow stud colt with FG, Sunfrost or DTF on their papers thinks is stallion worthy. Now, I know I’m not talking about EVERYBODY but you know what I mean.
I also have to disagree that Dashing Chester is bred like everyone else. Look at the BHW stallions and pick out the ones that DONT have FG, Sun frost or first down dash on their papers. See how many you have left. While Chester may not be far off the norm, it’s a start. |
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I was curious to see if anyone had brought up Runner. He's apparently fabulous to be around and a hell of a head horse for Garret as well. |
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| I would LOVE to see some old racing blood. Anyone know of any studs out of R.Smith mares? Better yet any babies out of R.Smith mares?!
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| rpreast - 2018-02-02 9:34 AM
I was curious to see if anyone had brought up Runner. He's apparently fabulous to be around and a hell of a head horse for Garret as well.
Them Magnolia Bar horses are great to be around and sure will steal your heart! 
Too bad we lost Magnolia Bar Jet!
Oh another line is Dinkys Redman! Amy Belk in TN still has a lot of those! |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 9:31 AM
classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 8:21 AM
Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about.
Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there.
Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done?
So are you saying we shouldn’t try to go outside the norm? I think that’s just going to make our “puddle” smaller. In 20 Years there won’t be ANY variation left.
I’m not saying go for something no one recognizes, but we have like 5 top sires that are eating up the industry. And on the progeny talk, too many sires are being bred to produce colts that will prove them that are themselves 3D horses. That’s dumb IMO. Why is it a bad thing to expect a stallion to be able to perform AND produce. And again, IMO just like in the racing world- I feel like they should perform and to see if they are good enough TO produce. Everyone with a yellow stud colt with FG, Sunfrost or DTF on their papers thinks is stallion worthy. Now, I know I’m not talking about EVERYBODY but you know what I mean.
I also have to disagree that Dashing Chester is bred like everyone else. Look at the BHW stallions and pick out the ones that DONT have FG, Sun frost or first down dash on their papers. See how many you have left. While Chester may not be far off the norm, it’s a start.
Sure. But you know where First Down Dash came from, right? Dash For Cash, and ummmm Top Moon.
I would love it if somebody would put something together that nobody had heard of, that can blow the doors off of the current pool, and send real performers to the track and the arena. That's my whole point.
BUT I'm not going to throw my good mare away on something that I can pay another grand and get something that somebody actually wants to buy. |
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And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. |
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| Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM
And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense.  There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Â
Whoa
your salty still over that other post huh
But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! |
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| classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 10:00 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 9:31 AM
classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 8:21 AM
Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about.
Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there.
Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done?
So are you saying we shouldn’t try to go outside the norm? I think that’s just going to make our “puddle” smaller. In 20 Years there won’t be ANY variation left.
I’m not saying go for something no one recognizes, but we have like 5 top sires that are eating up the industry. And on the progeny talk, too many sires are being bred to produce colts that will prove them that are themselves 3D horses. That’s dumb IMO. Why is it a bad thing to expect a stallion to be able to perform AND produce. And again, IMO just like in the racing world- I feel like they should perform and to see if they are good enough TO produce. Everyone with a yellow stud colt with FG, Sunfrost or DTF on their papers thinks is stallion worthy. Now, I know I’m not talking about EVERYBODY but you know what I mean.
I also have to disagree that Dashing Chester is bred like everyone else. Look at the BHW stallions and pick out the ones that DONT have FG, Sun frost or first down dash on their papers. See how many you have left. While Chester may not be far off the norm, it’s a start.
Sure. But you know where First Down Dash came from, right? Dash For Cash, and ummmm Top Moon.
I would love it if somebody would put something together that nobody had heard of, that can blow the doors off of the current pool, and send real performers to the track and the arena. That's my whole point.
BUT I'm not going to throw my good mare away on something that I can pay another grand and get something that somebody actually wants to buy.
Yes I do realize where First Down Dash came from. In my mind I guess going back to Dash for Cash & Top Moon are more “purely” bred that way.
And I see where you are coming from about resale. It’s going to take someone (more than 1 someone’s) with money to burn to really step out there and create a new line of competitive horses.
I don’t think this discredits your good mare that’s bred this way, or any others for that matter. I’m just concerned with the future of barrel horses’ pedigrees. Looks like we just keep narrowing the gene pool every year. I don’t feel like breeding to something outside the norm would be throwing your mare away. It would depend on what you wanted the foal for I guess. Resale, sure, the current lines are the way to go. But it you wanted to breed for a foal to keep and perform on, that’s when I think it would be a good idea to look elsewhere. |
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| runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM
Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM
And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense.  There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Â
Whoa
your salty still over that other post huh
But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin!
I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM
Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM
And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense.  There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Â
Whoa
your salty still over that other post huh
But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin!
I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel.
He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist
He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world?
I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him. 
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