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Location: NE Texas | I stumbled across this website yesterday after reading a post shared on FB and spent some time reading the 9 parts posted of the 12 part serious on "Decomplexicating Equine Nutrition". I encourage everyone to take the time to read these. It will take you a while, as there is alot of information to absorb, but this guy really does a great job explaining how and why these processed feeds and supplements we give are contributing to the issues we have in our horses (and ourselves with our own diet). Start at the first post in the series and work backwards for best understanding. Enjoy! https://theequinepractice.com/travels-with-doc-t/horse-nutrition/ |
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| This is a "must" read for all of us. Thanks for the website. |
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| Read them all. Awesome reading!! But for those on here mixing their curost supplement with a little oats as a medium to get it into their horses, according to the articles listed above, you need to be using renew gold instead of oats. Even a small amount of oats according to them is a big no no. |
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| Yes that was the way I ready also. I guess you can always mix the supplements with alfalfa pellets. |
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| The only thing he has not addressed is the performance horse. He tends to describe what your average horse needs based on thousands of years of evolution. At no time does he address the needs of horses that are being asked to perform outside of what a horse grazing in the wild would need. But, it’s all food for thought ! |
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 Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | If you look back at articles of Secretariat when he was running all he was fed was whole oats and alfalfa. He got no supplements, no processed grain. That should tell us all something right there. He was a war horse on nothing but oats. "Herbie" feeds whole oats only to mix her CurOst in. So it works for her. |
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Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2018-04-06 8:44 AM I stumbled across this website yesterday after reading a post shared on FB and spent some time reading the 9 parts posted of the 12 part serious on "Decomplexicating Equine Nutrition". I encourage everyone to take the time to read these. It will take you a while, as there is alot of information to absorb, but this guy really does a great job explaining how and why these processed feeds and supplements we give are contributing to the issues we have in our horses (and ourselves with our own diet). Start at the first post in the series and work backwards for best understanding. Enjoy! https://theequinepractice.com/travels-with-doc-t/horse-nutrition/
Thanks for the website! |
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Location: North Dakota | Thanks for sharing! I have read some of those blogs before but these were new to me. |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | I didn't read it as Renew Gold being the answer, though I do think it's a decent product and you're still paying for that pretty shiny label. What he actually said is, " There is no need to add fats and oils to their diet. The only reason fats and oils are added is because the horses of today are not fed the correct food." I have started mixing my Cur-Ost with timothy and/or alfalfa pellets depenind on which feeding each horse gets theirs instead of the 1 pound of oats I was feeding daily. I also thing our perception of what a healthy horse should like like is a bit skewed. We see these big, fat, shuny horses and think wow, they are beautiful, when in actuality they are obese. Mine are DEFINITELY obese. Here's the full article regarding high fat diets. Pretty cool reading! https://theequinepractice.com/decomplexicating-equine-nutrition-part-7-the-high-fat-diet/
I just enjoyed reading those articles and thought others would too.
Have a great weekend everyone!
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| Herbie - 2018-04-06 2:44 PM
I didn't read it as Renew Gold being the answer, though I do think it's a decent product and you're still paying for that pretty shiny label. What he actually said is, " There is no need to add fats and oils to their diet. The only reason fats and oils are added is because the horses of today are not fed the correct food."  I have started mixing my Cur-Ost with timothy and/or alfalfa pellets depenind on which feeding each horse gets theirs instead of the 1 pound of oats I was feeding daily.  I also thing our perception of what a healthy horse should like like is a bit skewed. We see these big, fat, shuny horses and think wow, they are beautiful, when in actuality they are obese. Mine are DEFINITELY obese.  Here's the full article regarding high fat diets. Pretty cool reading! https://theequinepractice.com/decomplexicating-equine-nutrition-part-7-the-high-fat-diet/I just enjoyed reading those articles and thought others would too.Â
Have a great weekend everyone!  Â
Just curious why the switch from the small amount of oats to the pellets if the oats have been working good for past couple years? |
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Location: Arkansas | Thank you for the info Miss Jessi  |
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The Advice Guru
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| I read two blogs and I find the earlier ones are a little outdated with the current research.
Soy is not recommended as a lot of horses have sensitivity to the soy.
If people are interested in learning more Dr Getty Feed a horse like a horse book is really good.
I know I switched my programs year ago the biggest difference i seen was by adding hemp fibre, it rages anywhere from 20-30 percent protein. |
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Location: NE Texas | Â Agree on the use of soy. I liked the in depth explanations of glucose, cellulose and the information on the microbiome and how it is affected by so many things consumed. |
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| We used to feed soybean meal years ago with no problem. Feet were excellent and hair coat was amazing. It got to where we couldn’t find it down here and quit feeding it. But not every ingredient agrees with every horse so I can see where it wouldn’t work for some horses for sure.
He makes it easy to finally understand the breakdown of food in the digestive track and how it affects the rest of the body.
If you read a separate article he does address feeding performance horses, it’s just not in this blog series of 12. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | Â I have read part of the blogs. It states we should feed our horses what they have always ate in their natural habitat the last 1,000 years. Well in the Midwest I know horses never ate shredded coconut as what is in one of the products he said was okay to use. But it's good information. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | So I was flipping back to start with the first blog when (surprise!) the GMO/pesticide/fertilizer one caught my eye. I know y’all are shocked. LOL Anyway, I wanted to say I thought he covered it fairly, if a little on the shallow side. One note though, and he may not have been aware of this because the actual publication of the research is new even if the idea isn’t: The reason that glyphosate doesn’t affect your gut microbiome has to do with the purpose of the shikimate pathway for photosynthesis, which is what gly affects to kill plants. The purpose of photosynthesis for these bacteria would be aromatic amino acid production. Except being in the gut, they are literally bathing in aromatic aminos acids and have zero need to make their own.
We’re talking about exposure levels of a few ppb, which I wish he would have delved into. To give that context, 1 ppb is like 1 second in 32 years. |
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Location: West Texas | I found myself disagreeing with many of the conclusions. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Tdove - 2018-04-08 3:10 PM I found myself disagreeing with many of the conclusions.
Which parts? I’m planning to do more reading on what he said about protein, and I’m also curious to see if cooking or other processing can denature lectins. I don’t plan on making any changes with the horses I’m riding (they’re eating omnis and rice bran with pasture) but I might play around with one of the others that has been on a hoof supplement for years. |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | I hate to ask this, because now no one will sit by me at the lunch table, but is "decomplexicating" really a word? I have never encountered it in all my years of reading- (I haven't read the blog yet- I will as soon as I finish another project that's due.) |
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