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CEFERG
Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2018-04-12 11:58 AM
Subject: Foal w/Issues - Advise/Experience?



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We had a foal born on Monday that has some issues and I was hoping maybe someone on here has experienced these symptoms and has some ideas or advice. Please note we have been breeding horses our whole lives and we aren't the types to fight mother nature and have the attitude that what will be will be so please no criticizing our choices regarding this sweet girl; as long as she is trying we are trying.

A little background: this is this mares 7th foal, we have never had to assist in a delivery other then she retains placenta almost every year and we deal with that accordingly. The last 4 foals have been born 14-19 days early with no signs she is going to foal (except she makes bag at least a month before foaling and she looks like a milk cow). All babies are big, strong, healthy and running by the time we realized she has foaled.

So on to this years baby. Mare wasn't due until the 17th but we've been watching her close for about a month, everything was going as normal for her. April9th she started foaling at 1:50pm on Monday afternoon, water bag presented at 2:00 and foal on the ground by 2:10. She was born outside in the snow because I had turned the mare out for exercise 2hrs before but temps were above zero so let her foal where she was comfortable instead of stressing her out while trying to deliver. Foal was very alert and trying to get up within 10minutes. Mare had absolutely zero interest in mothering her (very out of the norm for this mare - she is usually very protective if you tried handling her baby in the first couple days in the past). I could tell right away she was small for being close to full term. Within half an hour I knew something wasn't quite right she was trying so hard to get up but just couldn't get balanced - further examination discovered she has severely contracted tendons on both front pasterns and a hind pastern and was trying to stand almost on the fronts of her hooves.
I struggled with her for a couple hours when I finally gave up and milked the mare and bottle fed her. We gave her a shot of Oxy Tetracycline, Thiamine and Dex at 2.5hrs old as per vet instruction for the contracted tendons.
Another thing we noticed is her eyes were sunk in, almost rolled down in her sockets, very bloodshot in the whites of her eyes and the skin surrounding her eyes, and her eyes are almost a green color (she is a light palomino).
Our vet obviously didn't give her a very good prognosis but said the first 24hrs will be a telling sign.

So fast forward a bit, we milked the mare and bottle fed her laying down every hour and a half for the first 12hrs, at about 12hrs old she was able to stand with assistance to suck from a bottle, 12-24hrs old she was showing interest in nursing from the mare but wasn't balanced enough to latch on. 24-28hrs we worked with her to latch and after she was showing signs of exhaustion from trying we would resort to the bottle. By about 30hrs we got her nursing from the mare but would have to help her find the nipple and balance. 36-48hrs we thought she was going down hill because every time we would get her up to nurse (every 2hrs) she had no interest and seemed very tired BUT turns out she was getting up on her own to nurse while we weren't there! lol

So after this long story this is where we are at: she is fully nursing on her own with no help from us, front left pastern has relaxed and she is now walking on her hoof properly (still a little tension), front right pastern has relaxed slightly and is now walking on a tip toe but her leg is tight from forearm down when she is standing and isn't bending at the knee while walking (can bend it while laying down), hind right pastern has relaxed to walking on her hoof but its still tense through pastern. Her eyes aren't as rolled down but still red in the whites and pigment still appears a green/brown color.
We are certain she is "premature" as she has a very light coat (compared to our other foals being born with full winter coats, its still winter in Canada!) and she is definitely small.
If she wasn't fighting so hard we would have put her down by now but she certainly has the try to keep going. We are giving her another full round of shots today for the tendons and have our farrier coming to check her out today who has a ton of experience in early development.
So after this lengthy story has anyone dealt with this? Any ideas what else we can do to help her along? Suggestions about her eyes?
I am going to try posting pictures but not going to guarantee I will get them to work! lol the pictures in the snow are when she was first born and pictures in a stall are from yesterday.





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rpreast
Reg. Nov 2015
Posted 2018-04-12 2:25 PM
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We used an oral supplement called Rejuvenaide for our colt with contracted tendons. We had to drench her with it, I think for 2 weeks. Helped her a ton!

http://www.prognutrition.com/pn/products/foal-supplements/rejuvenai...
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wyoming barrel racer
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2018-04-12 3:23 PM
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rpreast - 2018-04-12 1:25 PM We used an oral supplement called Rejuvenaide for our colt with contracted tendons. We had to drench her with it, I think for 2 weeks. Helped her a ton! http://www.prognutrition.com/pn/products/foal-supplements/rejuvenai...
I agree with Rejuvenaide but haven't had to use it often. I was impressed though and gave it to my colt that had joint ill this summer and just wasn't very thrifty. I have to say, after reading the improvement that I would be optimistic the foal will come around. 
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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2018-04-12 3:30 PM
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I've heard you should bed the stall deep and let them rest.  The Oxytet will do alot to help.  You can also try an extension on the hoof at some point.  I'm sure the vet could advise as to how soon or if to do it at all.   
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zansbeunogal_2268
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2018-04-12 4:27 PM
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My colt last year had his front legs tendons contracted like yours, my vet recommended that I bed the stall well and keep them on stall rest for a good couple weeks, his tendons relaxed and he is now perfectly straight! he grew up really nice!

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Kay-DRacing.
Reg. Jun 2009
Posted 2018-04-12 4:37 PM
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No advice here...just prayers for your girl 
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2018-04-12 7:50 PM
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Second the prayers for your sweet baby
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cstone
Reg. Jul 2010
Posted 2018-04-13 12:39 AM
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I sent you a PM.
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Liz
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2018-04-13 7:38 PM
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Prayers for her, sounds like she is a fighter and you are making headway with her!
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2018-04-13 8:31 PM
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Please keep us posted on Baby Girl
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2018-04-13 10:38 PM
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CEFERG - 2018-04-12 11:58 AM We had a foal born on Monday that has some issues and I was hoping maybe someone on here has experienced these symptoms and has some ideas or advice. Please note we have been breeding horses our whole lives and we aren't the types to fight mother nature and have the attitude that what will be will be so please no criticizing our choices regarding this sweet girl; as long as she is trying we are trying. A little background: this is this mares 7th foal, we have never had to assist in a delivery other then she retains placenta almost every year and we deal with that accordingly. The last 4 foals have been born 14-19 days early with no signs she is going to foal (except she makes bag at least a month before foaling and she looks like a milk cow). All babies are big, strong, healthy and running by the time we realized she has foaled. So on to this years baby. Mare wasn't due until the 17th but we've been watching her close for about a month, everything was going as normal for her. April9th she started foaling at 1:50pm on Monday afternoon, water bag presented at 2:00 and foal on the ground by 2:10. She was born outside in the snow because I had turned the mare out for exercise 2hrs before but temps were above zero so let her foal where she was comfortable instead of stressing her out while trying to deliver. Foal was very alert and trying to get up within 10minutes. Mare had absolutely zero interest in mothering her (very out of the norm for this mare - she is usually very protective if you tried handling her baby in the first couple days in the past). I could tell right away she was small for being close to full term. Within half an hour I knew something wasn't quite right she was trying so hard to get up but just couldn't get balanced - further examination discovered she has severely contracted tendons on both front pasterns and a hind pastern and was trying to stand almost on the fronts of her hooves. I struggled with her for a couple hours when I finally gave up and milked the mare and bottle fed her. We gave her a shot of Oxy Tetracycline, Thiamine and Dex at 2.5hrs old as per vet instruction for the contracted tendons. Another thing we noticed is her eyes were sunk in, almost rolled down in her sockets, very bloodshot in the whites of her eyes and the skin surrounding her eyes, and her eyes are almost a green color (she is a light palomino). Our vet obviously didn't give her a very good prognosis but said the first 24hrs will be a telling sign. So fast forward a bit, we milked the mare and bottle fed her laying down every hour and a half for the first 12hrs, at about 12hrs old she was able to stand with assistance to suck from a bottle, 12-24hrs old she was showing interest in nursing from the mare but wasn't balanced enough to latch on. 24-28hrs we worked with her to latch and after she was showing signs of exhaustion from trying we would resort to the bottle. By about 30hrs we got her nursing from the mare but would have to help her find the nipple and balance. 36-48hrs we thought she was going down hill because every time we would get her up to nurse (every 2hrs) she had no interest and seemed very tired BUT turns out she was getting up on her own to nurse while we weren't there! lol So after this long story this is where we are at: she is fully nursing on her own with no help from us, front left pastern has relaxed and she is now walking on her hoof properly (still a little tension), front right pastern has relaxed slightly and is now walking on a tip toe but her leg is tight from forearm down when she is standing and isn't bending at the knee while walking (can bend it while laying down), hind right pastern has relaxed to walking on her hoof but its still tense through pastern. Her eyes aren't as rolled down but still red in the whites and pigment still appears a green/brown color. We are certain she is "premature" as she has a very light coat (compared to our other foals being born with full winter coats, its still winter in Canada!) and she is definitely small. If she wasn't fighting so hard we would have put her down by now but she certainly has the try to keep going. We are giving her another full round of shots today for the tendons and have our farrier coming to check her out today who has a ton of experience in early development. So after this lengthy story has anyone dealt with this? Any ideas what else we can do to help her along? Suggestions about her eyes? I am going to try posting pictures but not going to guarantee I will get them to work! lol the pictures in the snow are when she was first born and pictures in a stall are from yesterday.

Prayers for this little one  
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CEFERG
Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2018-04-17 12:05 AM
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Thank you everyone for the replies, advise and or messages.
Unfortunately we had to put this sweet girl down today. It became very evident over the weekend that she had lost all sight in both eyes. She became very confused and upset anytime she was standing and her mom wasn't touching her in some way. Yesterday we noticed she was developing an infection in both eyes and we decided that it just wasn't worth putting her through anymore pain. She was a real fighter though and so disappointed that things ended this way when everything else was looking really positive.

Edited by CEFERG 2018-04-17 12:07 AM
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2018-04-17 1:46 AM
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God bless her poor little heart. . . . I'm so sorry for you and her, but I'm glad she's not in pain anymore. Prayers for y'all
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Griz
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Posted 2018-04-17 5:43 AM
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Oh dang! I am so sorry! Shoot, I hate that for you! Hugs!
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2018-04-17 9:08 AM
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Well heck I really hate hearing this, I was so wanting to see this little baby in a few months running and playing, so sorry for her and you   
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Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2018-04-17 11:24 AM
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So very sorry for your loss.   
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Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2018-04-17 2:57 PM
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So sorry for your loss. I know you must be heartbroken.  
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Posted 2018-04-17 4:25 PM
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CEFERG - 2018-04-17 12:05 AM

Thank you everyone for the replies, advise and or messages.
Unfortunately we had to put this sweet girl down today. It became very evident over the weekend that she had lost all sight in both eyes. She became very confused and upset anytime she was standing and her mom wasn't touching her in some way. Yesterday we noticed she was developing an infection in both eyes and we decided that it just wasn't worth putting her through anymore pain. She was a real fighter though and so disappointed that things ended this way when everything else was looking really positive.

So sorry to hear this!
Our mare foaled VERY early...over 30 days early...and the filly made it 24 hours before my husband put her down. She was a little fighter as well, but it was obvious we were only prolonging the inevitable.
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SOTurn3
Reg. Mar 2018
Posted 2018-04-18 7:47 AM
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Will you get a biopsy done just to check out things and see if it was something more than just being premature?

I am so sorry for your loss. She was a cutey.
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Posted 2018-04-18 8:00 AM
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I am so sorry to hear this. Poor girl.
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